Best system with the current squad

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  • #1790866
    the specialone
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    I have to be honest,regardless of the lack of quality in our squad some of the performances are just not upto the standards.Emery has deserved a ridiculous amount of critism(basically more than he should recieve) and yes there is room for improvement.Now many Arsenal fans unreasonably expecting dominant performances like liverpool and city give,it will never happen.Certainly not with this squad,and the lack of quality and stamp in our midfield.

    What you have to expect is getting the best out of the group of players in front of You.I don’t think emery is far off by there is room for improvement.
    I’m against a back 3/back 5 but we must go back to it for a certain number of reasons.
    Emery has been playing a back 4 and it hasn’t been working.Main reason being his game is not posession based and our midfield isn’t good enough.
    I’m usually against adopting five at the back.For one,Most of the top teams don’t play with this system.There are very few instances wherein title winning teams have done it.
    When we adopted it under wenger and Emery,the whole point of it was to keep clean sheets but as far as i remember we use to leak in goals.
    But judging by the players we have I’m afraid this might be our best option,I’m convinced.

    For starters,we have Luiz in defense.To get the best out of him play him in a back 3.To get the best out Kolasinac who’s certainly a wing back.Bellerin can play on the other side.I’d play three midfielders so it could give us more control than not.Torreira,xhaka,Guendozi and ceballos.Rotate amongst them.
    As for up top between Auba/Laca/Pepe.
    I came across an article that Pepe was best utilised in a counter attacking team.
    If we go back tot his system we will have to rely on the counter.But it’s vital we play three midfielders.
    I’m afraid players like saka,willock.These players are raw.And if you’re going to use them then it will come at a cost of their inexpereince and lack of development not to say they won’t be very good players in the future.

    Personally my team
    5-3-2
    Leno
    Bellerin Sokratis Luiz Holding Kolasinac
    Torreira xhaka
    Ceballos
    Pepe Auba

    That is our best team with the current squad IMO.In terms of balance,experience every thing
    Obviously,some can easily be replaced.Laczette,Chambers,guendozi and Tierney could easily replace some players there.We could have a good rotation.
    Bottom line we shoud revert back to this system.

    #1790907

    the bsm walk
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    No TSO, for me the bottom line is Emery has to go. Why do you jump the gun always thinking that Arsenal fans expect this and expect that, I remember criticising Theo Walcott all of a sudden you said Arsenal fans expect him to be Ronaldo. We never said that once or at least I certainly didn’t and you just pluck out false assumptions from the sky.

    You then went on to say we shouldn’t absolutely be dominating Utd. Yes yes yes we should, they are damn awful and that is a sad indictment when we can’t even beat them. You try use the excuse that we haven’t beaten them in ages, but I thought getting in a new manager was to be able to try something different than the previous manager hopefully getting different results? Flipping Newcastle turned them over! For your information but I know you know this – you just continue to try stir things up, but I don’t expect any miracles from Emery, I just want him to put a clear plan, play players in their rightful position and go with an identity. He’s had time, he even had time to review our squad when he was out of job and Wenger was being phased out. You can’t say he can’t know his best 11 by now, surely?

    If he doesn’t know, what is he being paid to do? Look like a twat on the touch line? Sorry, this doesn’t wash with me and I don’t care for titles I just want us to be pushing on. We can’t take advantage over other clubs despairs then what does that truly say about Arsenal? That we haven’t gone anywhere.

    By the way for me it’s a travesty you left out Lacazette, then again you did say he wouldn’t make it at Arsenal before because of ‘lack of desire’ oh he always had desire, he’s the only real fighter in the squad. And no, not looking for an apology that you were wrong as I’m not as petty as you.

    If you’re talking about balance by the way, even though it’s hard to accommodate them I agree with you on that point but I would never leave out Lacazette in a million years, I would have him as our main man over Auba, and maybe Auba scores more goals but Lacazette is our best centre forward right now for his overall game.

    #1790932
    the specialone
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    Sorry BSM,You have an opinion as you’re entitled to one.But When I’m going through your post it is just so Subjective.There is no objectivity at all.
    It’s impractical and even at times illogical.

    Firstly,when you consider the position we are in this season,and still the fact that you want Emery to get sacked as the thread that you started,it is absolutely illogicial.You can criticise him,dislike him.But sack?And then you reason Arsenal fans don’t have illogical and unrealistic expectations.
    Then you expect Arsenal to go to United and win…A ground at which we haven’t won in over a decade in the league which I have repeated many times.
    Ridiculous expectation.I mean regardless of the State of Man united,you are completely ignoring that we are not in a great state as well.

    Then you go on to insinuate just I have something “against” Lacazette just because he’s not in my first team.Why?Because i didn’t pick him over a golden boot winner??I mean unless you’ve not been watching Arsenal for the past year and football for a long time you know the two out and out strikers don’t work in the long run.Which is why for me A “drifter” like pepe has to be surely there.Then we have a choice between lacazette and auba.Just FYI I do like Lacazette a lot and i do think he’s a better all round stiker.He’d probably even form a bettr partnership with pepe purely in terms of balance.But again,you’re asking to drop a golden boot winner who’s probably the best striker in the world right now.In other words hes undroppable.Sorry but only an idiot would suggest that.But again,you also said Lacazette is a “million times better striker than Giroud”.Even after considering the FACT that Didier deschamps had the balls to drop Lacazette and pick giroud that won them the WORLD CUP.World CUP.I repeat.WORLD CUP!!!

    Oh I almost forgot,Walcott?When you consdier the guy’s goals + assists contribution for the club,it’s better than 75% of the players that have play in that position around the world.I still think we could’ve used him.

    #1790936

    the bsm walk
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    Firstly I didn’t say I would drop Auba, the balance is still wrong but I’d rather shoehorn into our team than to drop Lacazette.

    Lacazette is a million times the played Giroud is, why you bringing Deschamps into the equation, fuck Deschamps and I don’t give a flying fuck, Lacazette is the man.

    I’ll match your logic then Fat Frank has only given him one start over Tammy Abraham, really Tammy bloody Abraham? Since when does a club like Oilski give players like Abraham a chance? That says a lot about Giroud than it does Abraham. Sarri never fancied either, getting a out of sorts geriatric Higuain over Giroud. So stop bringing other managers logic into it when it doesn’t always match what you’re saying.

    The only person who I’ve read think we shouldn’t have beaten Utd is you, are you saying the majority of Arsenal fans have unrealistic expectations, there’s no reasoning with you seriously, why on earth would I hate Emery I would rather see him do well. But he’s just playing like a poor mans Mourinho and even then he can’t get the defence more organised and I don’t like it one bit.

    #1790937
    the specialone
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    Jeez man,You listenting to yourself?Frank hasn’t won the world cup.Deschamps has.Pogba recently said he’d do anything for him.And Mbappe said he’s like a father figure to him.But hey,who are they?

    Do you not get the fact.It’s a FACT.France won the WORLD CUP with Giroud.He started most if not all games.You cannot possibly win a world cup with a poor striker.
    This is the same guy who came back to bite Arsenal in the arse last season in the europa league final by scoring the ice breaking goal.Where were laca and auba that game?Sleeping?

    It’s pathetic that even to this date you cannot appreciate Giroud as a striker.Pahtetic.Favouritism and Scapegoatism.Has always existed and you’re just confirming it with your illogical explanations.

    Now i’d like to move onto the subject of the topic.all you’ve done is whinge and criticse Emery.Which system would you play if you were the manager.who would you play in midfield.This debate would be more constructive if you would contribute to the subject in discussion then fly off the handle.Your choice.

    #1790940

    the bsm walk
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    Jesus Christ you hated Mertesacker at the club how many caps did he win for Germany? What the bloody hell are you talking about favouritism, seriously why do you just make presumptions? Why would I favourite one player over the other your reasoning is stupid. Giroud was what we paid a bargain for 12m but nothing more, he’s an ok striker but nothing to be excited about. Deschamps once said Diaby would have been in his first team or look at the praise Jack Wilshere got off the likes of Wayne Rooney, the point is it’s not about praise it’s about what’s going on, he played in the World Cup because Deschamps preferred him, His choice and only his. Yet managers have come and gone and constantly neglected Giroud. How the hell does that make him a bloody better player? Or Giroud a poor player, it doesn’t.

    Lacazette for me is up there on his day nearly as close to the likes of Aguero or Kane etc my opinion I didn’t say it was a fact.

    It’s not my job to play the right system or to pick the midfielders this man apparently does extensive research of the opposition and constantly shows the players how to improve with things on video, do you see any evidence of that at all?? Tell me what was the point of sacking Wenger when nothing when it boils down to it changes?

    You will be quick to shoot down fans opinions of players because managers know better than us of course, as they work with them, so why do you suddenly care about my input regarding systems and players? I have my own opinion regarding this but then I don’t know better than Emery or Wenger so in your own eyes I’m not qualified to have an opinion.

    #1791048
    The Oracle
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    The Stupid One strikes again. Lets have a look at his First Post in this thread:

    ‘I have to be honest,regardless of the lack of quality in our squad some of the performances are just not upto the standards.Emery has deserved a ridiculous amount of critism(basically more than he should recieve) and yes there is room for improvement.’

    So we have three spelling mistakes, two contradictions and an opening paragraph which does not make sense. We then get a long monotonous discussion about 532 which we don’t play, we actually play 352 but I wouldn’t expect this fool to understand that. This missive contains further contradictions, numerous spelling mistakes and more gibberish. El Stupido then goes onto pick his best side:

    Leno
    Bellerin, Sokratis, Luiz, Holding, Kolasinac;
    Torreira, Xhaka;
    Ceballos;
    Aubameyang, Pepe

    He leaves out Chambers who has been our best defender in recent matches, he leaves out our only decent left back, he picks Xhaka who has been our poorest player this season but leaves out Guendouzi our player of the season so far. Then the most ludicrous example of his lack of basic knowledge he includes an out and out wide man as a central striker. The footballing ignorance is laughable. He picks a team with wing backs so how can a wide player fit in, and he has him out of position but leaves Lacazette out. Can there be any doubt that this clown knows nothing about football and even less about Arsenal. Every post is contradictory, full of basic spelling errors and each one demonstrates that Stupido hasn’t got a clue.

    bsm walk, why did you bother, in fact why does anyone bother to respond to this numpty, all you receive in reply is gibberish. I suggest everyone ignores this fool, he has destroyed this site and to be perfectly frank his gibberish posts are just one long ill informed bore. What an idiot.

    #1791223

    fatmop
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    Leno
    Bellerin, Holding, Luiz, Tierney
    Guendozi Xhaka
    Pepe Ozil Ceballos
    Aubameyang

    Yes, Ozil has not been playing well but he is undoubtedly our most talented player and the manager should be getting more out of him. Depending on the match I would be tempted to swap Wilcock for xhaka and put Lacazette up top and Aubameyang on the left in Ceballos or Ozils place. Chambers also deserves a chance but the best is as above. 4231

    #1791225
    steveosnakeeye
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    Leno
    Bellerin, Holding, The greek, Tierney
    Luiz (DM)
    Guendozi, cabellos
    willock
    pepe, laca, auba

    and with so many options for the kids to freshen things up….

    #1791264

    stev2bath1
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    The fact is he is not getting the best out of this team what ever formation he plays but he seems to have decided that he is definitely going to play 4 at the back. I actually liked 3 at the back with AMN and Hulk as wingbacks. I think this could work again especially with Luiz. But if we stick with 4 at the back my best team assuming all fit and on form is
    Leno

    Bellerin, Luiz, Sok, Hulk/Tierney

    Tor Gwen
    Ceb

    Pepe Laca Aube.

    I don’t think Bellerin will be fit for a while so Chambers should play and Tierney has not played Premier league whilst Hulk has got a lot better defensively although not offering as much going forward. Although I like Xhaka I think we need legs in the midfield and very tempted to play Willock instead of Tor as he will add more of a goal threat but we would lose some defensive stability.

    #1791337
    the specialone
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    stev – He’s unable to get the best of the current team because they’re incapable.There’s a lot of inexperience and there is also a lack of balance.
    I was against the system I have laid our the 5/3/2 or 3/5/2 basically depends on teams we play but purely judging by the players we have I think Emery should try out the system.There’s no harm in trying.It can’t be much worse than facing criticism almost everyother game.

    Also,pepe laca auba lack balance.I too would have that but realistically it dosen’t work in the long run.I also would pick tierney over hulk but hulk is probably the best “wing back” espescially in that system in the league.

    Mop – If we were to play a 4 at the back system,you’re not far off.But ozil has to go.When are people going to realise that he simply isn’t reliable.He has the talent,but he dosen’t showcase it consistent enough.Nothing to do with emery,don’t kid yourself.He has only himself to blame.

    If we’re playing a 4 at the back mine would be
    Leno
    Bellerin,Sokratis,Holding,Tierney
    Toerreira,Xhaka
    Guendozi,Ceballos
    Pepe,Auba

    We need to get more control in midfield and we have to play them.Again,some of them are easily replacable.I could use willock,nelson in there.

    #1791410

    stev2bath1
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    TSO You know that does not make sense! He can not get the best out of them because they are incapable, not sure what you were trying to say unless you think that he has got the best out of them? Also what formation are you thinking about in your 4 at the back team I can’t see a 442 or 433 and assume its not a 4222? I do agree about the front three lacking balance but still think its the best we have. Also Ozil or Emery will be gone just not sure who will go first.

    #1791413

    fatmop
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    TSO I guarantee any manager other than Emery would if they didn’t play Ozil have him on the bench -it’s stupid not to.

    By all means I am not against managers dropping players to teach them a lesson but to constantly leave Ozil our of the squad, with who we have is poor man management.

    #1791441
    the specialone
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    Stev – What I meant was that this team is incapable to match the fans Vision.It has little to do with emery.Think of it.Sure emery’s football is open end to end.Yes,we give the players many shots on target but so do we make that many more or somewhere around that.What fans want to see is dominant football,it can’t happem with this team.You really want to see the football we had under wenger in the past year or so,possession based going nowhere.I suggested that system because emery’s game is currently counter attacking he can play that.

    Mop – Ozil’s done at the club.A huge talent gone to waste.It’s little to do with emery.His career had been declining ever since he came into the club.he’s gotten worse every year,it started under wenger.He’s not reliable.Sell him in Jan.I liked him a lot but you can’t ignore he’s not worth it.350K a week.Absolute Joke.

    #1791443

    stev2bath1
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    I think you are reaching suggesting all fans want a Wenger type possession based game. No one has said that they just want a plan A. I don’t have an ideal I just want to see a plan A. What about the formation of your team with the back 4 you never clarified ?

    #1791485
    the specialone
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    I’m reaching a suggesting that fans want dominant football like a city or Liverpool.That involves keeping posession of the ball,without the ball you can’t be dominant.The other option is to sit back and counter.But this team dosen’t know how to defend.

    If we’re playing the other system,My formation would be 4-2-1-3.But again the positioning and tactics would be different.I’d have Torreira and Xhaka just ahead of the defense to create a balance.With torreira as the deepest lying player just ahead of the defense.Then I’d have Guendozi ahead of both of them.Then slightly ahead on the left would be ceballos just as he is playing for spain.On the other side I’d push pepe much more ahead than ceballos’s position on the other side.Basically pepe being an out and out winger.With Auba upfront.

    Mind you,I’m not exactly satisfied with this.These players are selected on the basis of talent/expereince.I really would want to fit ozil in there but I Just don’t trust him.He’s unreliable.we should not play him just because he’s our highest paid player.I’d give a chance to the future.Dosen’t mean they’re best suited.For example don’t think Guendozi and ceballos can play together that well.I’d rather have willock but he’s raw and inexpereinced.And I’m sick of having players being developed.You know the inexpereience is going to cost the team.More than anything I think saka is the most exciting prospect but again he is just so raw.

    The fact that I’m not entirely convinced about our team shows the lack of confidence I have.As I said these players can be easily replaced based on the performances.Almost everyone of them.

    But again,I think emery should go to a 5-3-2/3-5/2 like I suggested.There are just too many players in our team that are more suited to that system.

    #1791620

    stev2bath1
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    I think you should stick to your 532 which I also would not mind as I do think it could work. That back four team is all kinds of wrong, poor choice of formation really don’t know how you came to that just looks like you are making a random formation to fit the players you want. Ceb on the left but not left wing ? its like putting Ozil on the right of a front three which no one likes!

    I don’t think Liverpool’s play is possession based they do have more possession because they are usually the better team but there play is based around a high press nicking the ball high up the pitch. City is more possession based although they also try the press but not like Liverpool.

    #1791871

    OttawaGunner
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    Based on the highly successful Liverpool model I’m suggesting the following line-up

    Leno
    Bellerin Holding Luiz or Sokratis Tierney
    Torreira
    Guen Ceballos
    Pepe Laca Auba

    Torreira is the only real CDM that we have and is disciplined and aware enough to cover for the FBs when they bomb forward. Guen and Ceballos alwaays put in a shift and technically they are better than the two who do the same job for Liverpool. Laca can and does play the Bobby F role, his work rate, hold up play and distribution are exceptional and he will get his share of goals. This system will allow on Pepe and Auba to play higher up the field and help excert a high press in the opposition’s defensive third which is where you want to win the ball back.

    #1791946
    steveosnakeeye
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    i like the way you think OttawaGunner….as much as i really like playin our kids and some have done very well id like to see a settled starting 11 knowing we can make changes when we need ofr injury or tiredness or to freshen things up…too muuch chnageing isnt helping

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