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  • #1796497
    Zico
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    OGS said,“We need more creativity but we’ve got loads of players here in the squad who could create more” .

    #1796522

    Blacky
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    A comment like that only highlights how out of touch Ole really is. Firstly, the penny should have dropped by now (even for him) that other than Pogba there is zero creativity anywhere within the squad, and that his sanctioning of a new 2 year deal for the completely finished Juan Mata and his twisted judgement that clowns like Pereira and Lingard would contribute enough goals and assists has been completely laid bare.
    It is difficult to defend any one single aspect of the job that he is doing, especially in comparison to others with far less resources and inferior squads.

    #1796526
    Alfie07
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    We need some quality in the frint three and in midfield. we always struggle to break teams down, it’s been going on for years. If Ole really thinks we have the players then he needs to give his head a wobble, but also he needs to explain why he constantly fails to pick a team that shows the opposite of what he says they can do.

    #1796530
    Alfie07
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    Updated TT Prediction table:
    Sympathy for the Devils…9 Points (11 Matches, 0.82 Average)
    Redblood …6 Points (10 Matches, 0.6 Average)
    Manthistle …5 Points (9 Matches, 0.56 Average)
    Mike2005 …5 Points (9 Matches, 0.56 Average)
    Libanski …5 Points (10 Matches, 0.5 Average)
    Alfie …5 Points (11 Matches, 0.45 Average)
    Hookeddevil …4 Points (10 Matches, 0.4 Average)
    MUFC…4 Points (11 Matches, 0.36 Average)
    CM…3 Points (1 Matches, 3 Average)
    Steveosnakeeye…3 Points (9 Matches, 0.33 Average)
    Happyhurling …3 Points (11 Matches, 0.27 Average)
    Hail Martial…2 Points (10 Matches, 0.2 Average)
    Homerjay …2 Points (10 Matches, 0.2 Average)
    The Martial Art…1 Points (4 Matches, 0.25 Average)
    Moral…1 Points (5 Matches, 0.2 Average)
    Hatters…1 Points (6 Matches, 0.17 Average)
    Scholsey…1 Points (8 Matches, 0.13 Average)
    Killyboye …1 Points (10 Matches, 0.1 Average)
    Tom Lily…1 Points (10 Matches, 0.1 Average)
    Ackb050…0 Points (1 Matches, 0 Average)
    English Bob…0 Points (3 Matches, 0 Average)
    TheLegend…0 Points (3 Matches, 0 Average)
    united_we_win …0 Points (2 Matches, 0 Average)

    #1796531
    Alfie07
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    High scoring week! Let me know if I’ve missed anything:

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    #1796539

    jm1502
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    Agree about Griezmann redblood, was never a fan. Let’s just hope we don’t go for any of the latest 3 to be linked, Rice, Mandzukic and Koulibaly. Watched Leicester again yesterday. Really good side full of good, technical, confident players and organised by a very competent manager. The Turkish lad at CB is better than Maguire and probably only cost chump change. I’m afraid Maguire is just another example of very expensive knee jerk reactions and the wrong targets being identified by those who don’t have a fucking clue.

    #1796570
    redblood
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    jm1502-Griezmann,K2,and Varane were very good players a few years back,completely past their best and washed up now,just like the likes of Rakitic,Muller,Boateng,and a few others we are linked with.As for Mandzukic,he was finished a few years ago.Would stay away from the extremely overpriced English players,typical,like Maguire,Dier,Walker,Rose,Alli,etc.D v.d.Beek,K.Haivertz,D.Neres-these type of players we should be going after.But,1st things 1st,we need a massive clearout more than anything else.Mate,we still have the likes of Jones,Young,Rojo,Bailly,Mata,Matic,@ our club,plus Sanchez and Smalling will most probably be sent back.

    #1796629
    simonas2702
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    I think OGS had realised the problems with Lindelöf and Maguire as a pair which is why Tuanzebe had started next to Maguire before he got injured. I do think Tuanzebe improves us a back 4.

    Although it was a defensive fuck up I do think our problems are further forward and until we sort that the defence are always going to suffer

    #1796679

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    Oh I agree simonas, I’ve always said midfield was our biggest problem and, to a lesser extent, up front. The main problem is not the goals we leak, it’s the goals we don’t score. But having spent 200 million on Shaw, Lindelof, Maguire and Wan-Bissaka, you’d think it would be pretty much sorted.

    #1796707

    Mike2005
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    @jm1502 I think it was the kind of game you expect after a European away match or the international break. I thought that a number of players were fantastic against Chelsea. Don’t get me wrong, the quality is not there yet, but everyone played at 110% and most players reached their potential, that’s what i’m looking for this season.

    @moral Your main gripe seems to be that a number of players in the first team squad are past it or not of the right quality, and I agree, but that’s not Ole’s fault after one transfer window. Ole clearly wanted more players, but either we wouldn’t pay the going rate or we decided the targets didn’t want to come (or in it for the money).

    Our biggest challenge this season was to clear the club of all the bad influences, rip it up all up, and make sure we had a settled harmonious squad that wanted to sweat blood for the shirt. What we’ve seen for a number of years now is that signings just don’t work out, even players that have looked to be top level prospects (Depay, Di Maria, Falcao, Shaw, Martial), none of our young players have developed as they should, and our “elite” players (Sanchez, Lukaku, Pogba) became inconsistent. I think Ole has taken massive steps toward fixing this.

    There are a whole ream of players at the club, who are on huge contracts, difficult to move on, but with an inflated value on the clubs books, and that’s not Ole’s fault either.

    We are now definitely in a position that we can build from. New signings are more likely to adopt the attitude of the squad, nearly all the players work hard and seem to “care”.

    IF funds were made available to Ole for more players in the summer, we could have gambled the whole Lukaku fee (which we didn’t get until the last day) on Ndombele (he probably would have cost us £75-80m, or spanked £50m+ of it on Longstaff (who is no better than McTominay who’s from our own academy).

    Maybe Solskjaer played it safe, or maybe he didn’t have funds available until post Lukaku sale and then the players were not available.

    Personally I trust every move he is making for the long term good of the club at the moment. Good youth players are coming through who care about the club, and first team signings are looking good. If we carry on down that road it’s only a matter of time until we build something great again.

    @blacky I think we were stuck for options extending some players contracts, the size of the rebuild required meant some players that were below the quality required long-term, but had the right attitude and professionalism were gifted extensions. If we’d have thrown them out in the summer, we would have needed a huge influx of £50m+ players, at a time when the squad attitude stank and getting them to integrate would have failed.

    #1796731

    Blacky
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    @mike2005 – Firstly mate, there wasn’t anything much other than the result to enthuse about at Chelsea the other night. I certainly didn’t see anything “fantastic” going on with regards to performances that night, other than Rashford’s free kick.

    Secondly, the awarding of new contracts to the veritable plethora of piss poor players that has gone on this last 18 months or so is nothing short of criminal. They were already stealing a living as it was, so to reward them yet further for continued abject failure and years of piss poor performances only means that you are stuck with the fuckers for even longer, and so the misery is never ending.

    I’ve said before that I would much rather play a raft of kids, or even pull a few lads out of the Stretford End than continue to have these clowns stinking out our shirt year after year.
    Let’s face facts here, we’re already totally shite as it is, so it could hardly make us much worse, simple as that.

    #1796752

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    I don’t know Blacky, I thought a lot of players played well against Chelsea, Fred took a massive step up, McTominay I thought was absolutely fantastic, bullying players, winning countless interceptions, I thought Williams was excellent, Rashford much better. We’ll never get what some fans call a “fantastic” performance with the current team, there’s too many missing pieces to go blast a good team away 3 or 4 nil, but I think we performed to a high level, and did so against Liverpool too.

    The best kids are coming through, but putting another 4-5 of them into the first team when they aren’t ready won’t work either. Ole’s given us the youngest squad in the premier league. I want the team improved as much as you do, and to be fair from the list you’ve provided, a lot of them are getting phased out of the team or replacements being lined up. Young is cover for Shaw and AWB (with Williams now competing for left back), I think Tuanzebe would be in for Lindelof except for injury, Lingard is second choice to James on the right, Jones is probably our 5th choice centre back, Mata and Matic hardly get a game.

    I like the idea of pulling lads out the Stretford End!

    #1796825

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    @mike2005 – You are missing my point mate, very little is working as it is and the league table doesn’t lie, as the defeat at Bournemouth doubly underlined.
    A pretty hollow league cup win against Chelsea’s reserve team means jack in the grand scheme of things, as was proved yet again only 3 days later at Bournemouth.

    Maguire is looking like a bad buy,especially for that ridiculous fee, AWB has done well defensively but never gets forward to provide crosses like a modern full back should, so we aren’t that much better off there than we were when Valencia was our regular right back.

    As I’ve said before, keep on giving new contracts to complete wankers is criminal, especially when they’re 4th or 5th choice and never contribute a single thing to the team from one month to the next. It will be Lingard’s turn for a new deal next!

    Just for the record, I would also not have rewarded Shaw, Martial and Rashford with mega bucks deals either, because none of them are top class footballers worthy of such reward, simple as that.

    #1796952
    roygbiv
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    We’ve gone from being hated to being a joke to being completely irrelevant. Beating United used to be a rare season highlight for most teams – now it’s just another routine victory for many of them. It’s nothing special anymore because we are nothing special – a mid-table team at best and one that just keeps getting worse no matter how many millions are thrown at it.

    #1797130
    redblood
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    roy-Well said it mate,we are completely irrelevant as far as winning trophies go.And it will remain so for quite a while yet.

    #1797133
    steveosnakeeye
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    this was a point i was making some time ago, but with my ABU hat on it obviously didnt go down very well

    taking rivalry aside, this is what united have become
    the reason there were (past tense) so many ABUs was because you were so good for so long with a real fear factor, look at some of the results you got even with very poor players (8-2)!!!! no one thought picking up poiints even one against united was likley let alone a given, hardly any team bothered to turn up and try and often lesser teams rested playters to focus on those clubs around them where the difference could be made over the course of a season.

    thats wahts now gone, bad enough for you guys the trophys and title contenders are gone but now teams dont see you as a big team to fear, a big team to take points of now, the recent Arsen v United or United v Pool game shows the irrelevance of the club(my club also before you all satrt, we are TOTALLY irrelevant) and i think thats what hurts the most, to fall so far, to see why and have noe one stop it…

    its a sad endictment of the game but its cyclicle so will come round again, not for a few yesrs yet for you lot though i hope 😉

    #1797134
    killyboye
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    It’s been said in many ways over the last few days that we’re lacking in creativity. I don’t think OGS said that the answer to our creativity lies in the players we have, he was merely saying that there’s a lot of players in our squad who could do more with regards to creating goals. It was a diplomatic answer to a question, he could have hung the squad out to dry but he’s not that kind of manager and we know from Jose what hanging your squad out to dry does.
    Being realistic, I know we were playing Bournemouth but to win 4 away games on the bounce was alway going to be a big ask especially with Wilson up front. He’s big, strong, fast and was always going to put pressure on our CB’s to play deep which stops Maguire from playing out from the back. We do need Pogba back just because he does offer that creative outlet but I’d rather we got £120m odd for him and got SMS and Havertz instead and maybe another CM who can support McT.

    #1797135

    Mike2005
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    @blacky Bournemouth aside, I just think we’re going to have to take a big hit in the league this season. The first team squad is simply not good enough or deep enough to compete for anything beyond say top 6 (at best), and that frankly gets you nothing. The only way to do this was to strip away all the ego’s and unprofessional players and to focus on the academy.

    Against teams that attack, our squad has an answer (counter), in big games we can bust a gut, play at 110% and get a performance. Anything other than that, we are going to keep struggling.

    If you look at the usual first team now, it is nearly all academy players, or Ole’s transfers. The attitude, work-rate and professionalism are good. This team needs to go through the season, grow characters and leadership from within, take some loses and gain experience playing together. That will stand us in tremendous stead for getting our DNA back, playing a system and a style that can be coached from the youth team to the first team, and bringing in “star” players, who will not be allowed to get out of line by the rest of the squad because the culture will be ingrained.

    Although it looks like nothing is working, we’re not too far away, it’s just a few quality players in the right positions, but those players need to be the right players, we need to be careful and only bring in the absolute best quality and players that want to play for Man Utd, and that’s very difficult in the current market.

    We’re through to the next round of the cup and doing well in the UEFA, so the victories aren’t hollow, they do count for something.

    We overpaid for Maguire, we had to. The entire world knew we needed a center back, and he ticks every box, British, leader, dominant good in the air. I’m not worried about him though, it’s his first season and he’s lost AWB, Shaw and been swapped between Lindelof, Tunazebe and Rojo in different formations in just 11 games, along with coping with an £80m price tag. He’s got the character to shake off a couple of early mistakes.

    Regarding contracts, each new manager inherits the mistakes of the club. We need to give Ole more time to let him shape the squad.

    #1797149

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    Mike – I agree with what you’ve said. But, there’s a minimum standard required isn’t there? Ok so maybe it’s not dropping out of the top 4 the way it was up until last season, but there is still a minimum standard required at Manchester United. And I think what Blacky is saying is how can these players be playing worse than the likes of Sheffield United?! How can a management team be made to look absolutely clueless as games like the Bournemouth one completely pass them by without them, seemingly, having any clue as to how to impact it? It’s still a team packed with international players and the fact of the matter is that they’re just not working hard enough. That’s unacceptable.

    Martial was rested so that he could explosively lead the line against Bournemouth and he puts in a performance like that!

    The problem I’m having, and I think it’s for the first time, is that I just don’t even know where to start with fixing this team…

    #1797153

    Blacky
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    I’m sorry @mike2005 you are just deluding yourself mate, we are a million miles away from things because Ole is doing a terrible job on every single level. He has had plenty enough time now to at least show some improvement in our play, but the fact is we are worse to watch now than under Mourinho. Our goals scored total is pitiful, and our form and points gained since he got the job full time is that of a relegation fodder team.

    As for Maguire, you should be very worried about him, because he’s pretty much a slow, cumbersome oaf and that’s never going to improve as he’s nearly 27 years of age now. I can think of at least 5 goals that we have conceded this season already where he has been culpable, that’s just piss poor defending.

    He certainly ain’t no Vidic,Ferdinand, Stam, Bruce or Pallister that’s for sure, more like William bloody Prunier, simple as that.

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