November 5, 2019 at 11:17 am #1797155
@happy – That’s the thing mate, we play Brighton and Sheff Utd in our next two games and it’s almost nailed on that we will drop points in either or both.
Both teams are already above us in the table, despite the fact most of all their players are footballing journeyman. Everyone knows they will set up so we can’t counter attack them and Ole and his chumps on the bench will have no idea what to do to counteract their plans, as has been the case ever since he got the job.November 5, 2019 at 11:31 am #1797160
Happy – Let me try and draw an analogy to Fergie’s time, as people seem to compare most things to that as being the model for success.
If we’d had 4 away games in 11 days, and a couple of those required extremely high energy to overcome the opposition, then for a game like Bournemouth we would be bringing in the likes of P.Neville, Butt, Ji Sung Park, O’Shea. These players would come in and work 100% for the team, but you would still have say a Van Nistelrooy, Scholes, Giggs (world class players), left around them that would provide the quality to nick a goal (even during plenty of poor performance games).
Solskjaer has an extremely thin squad, our most effective attacking players are Rashford and James (who frankly need to play every game we need to win), and our midfield is Fred and McTominay (Pogba out).
Bear in mind that the league was unfathomably easier for Fergie, we usually only had one club challenging us at the top (with less money), and teams in the lower half had terrible defences (go back and watch some of our goals and the space available).
In time some of the players in the first team (perhaps Fred and Perreira), will stay as important squad players, a’la Neville and Butt, and other top players will slowly come into the first team, either from the academy (Garner?), or other clubs, but the foundations will be set to support that.
Manchester United and Sheffield United, are just the names of two football clubs and nothing more. The advantage of being Manchester United should mean having the best players, and we don’t right now, everything else is a disadvantage to us (price of players, ego’s, contracts, wealth and media focus on young players, other teams play the game of their lives against you, expectations).
That said, I can agree there is a danger that performances could dip too low, and if Ole ends up teetering with relegation for too long this season his job will be in trouble.
Ole has tough decisions to make if he survives until the summer, was it just players he needed, or is his coaching team not up to it. He’ll need to be ruthless to survive a second season.November 5, 2019 at 11:50 am #1797166
Mike – I do see your point. I really hope Ole can make it work, but I don’t have any confidence in him or the team at the moment. If he continues to break the records he currently is then it’s just a matter of time before they say enough is enough.
And the real question is would Allegri, or Pochettino, come in and do a better job with the players we’ve got?
I think the answer is yes they would.November 5, 2019 at 12:28 pm #1797178
I don’t think the short comings of this squad can be overcome by a change to any other manager without a transfer window/s. Pochettino is below us with a better squad, Allegri doesn’t speak English or know the premier league. We don’t have a striker who can play alone away from home, we don’t have technical players in midfield who can dominate meaningful possession, we don’t have technical players out wide who can operate in small spaces (maybe James can get to that level with the right players around him).
We need to beat Brighton at home and scrape through to the international break to take the pressure off.November 5, 2019 at 1:08 pm #1797192
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We should have gone for Varane ahead of Maguire, other than that AWB and James were very good signings (excellent if you compare them against only other United transfers since Fergie left).
Ole and the team won’t get anywhere without major investment, simple as that: either the Glazers and Woodward invest or we’ll remain at this exact level (maybe even worse if we lose some of our better players down the years).November 5, 2019 at 1:36 pm #1797205
@mike2005 – It ain’t rocket science to point out that the squad is generally shite, I’ve been banging on about that for years! BUT what is undeniable is that we should be doing far better than this, even with such an average group of players.
Hardly any goals scored, can’t keep clean sheets despite spending 130m on new defenders, AND the football on display is as turgid and boring as fuck with no discernible pattern of play or any sort of an alternative plan, other than to hit teams on the counter attack.
It’s not Ole’s fault he isn’t up to it, but it’s as plain as the nose on Pinocchio’s face that he is, simp!e as that.November 5, 2019 at 2:12 pm #1797214
I really hope Ole does get to improve the team,@ every level,but they way things stand the only direction things will go is-relegation!We already are a midtable team,nothing more,even with our best players back.I really wish I was smoking/drinking the same stuff some people are,the ones being optimistic.
Should we,Manchester United,accept that the likes of Leicester,C.Palace,SH.United,Bournemouth,are ahead of us in the table,playing much better football than us,with a fraction of our budget??? Fair enough City,Liverpool,Chelsea,Arse,Spurs,finishing ahead of us every season,but the others? I dont have any real faith that we can beat anyone anymore,home or away,and expect to concede any time.November 5, 2019 at 2:19 pm #1797220
Sympathy-Thank God we didnt go for Varane,like Bale,he too is finished @ the top,for a few years now.Even more overrated and overpriced than Griezmann.November 5, 2019 at 3:10 pm #1797230
Maguire was a very good player for Leicester before he joined us. Vidic was terrible in his first season and had a world class Ferdinand next to him, I think he deserves a little bit of time. Vidic was slow and had the same deficiency on the turn, remember the games where Torres just used to knock the ball past him?
Maybe you’re right, that Ole is not ready at the moment, or that his assistants just aren’t up to the job, but for me he has to be given the chance to prove himself, and if he thinks that his coaching team aren’t up to it, he can make that decision to tweak in the summer. If he keeps making the same mistakes, then he would need to go eventually.
We can only play counter attack, because we only have counter attacking players. Mourinho was a world class coach and he knew it so played Fellaini and Lukaku every game and went direct, but all the fans complained that they weren’t Man Utd players and couldn’t play football. They’ve gone and we haven’t replaced them yet, let Ole replace them with players that can play his style and then see if the football is still boring.
If we sacked him now, who would want the job and what team philosophy would they adopt with this limited group of players?November 5, 2019 at 3:55 pm #1797240
I agree we shouldn’t sack him now, but fucking hell things need to improve.November 5, 2019 at 4:17 pm #1797246
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@redblood – how is Varane finished at the top? He’s still 26 (same age as Maguire) and is widely considered to be one of the best central defenders in the world. His only issue is his injury record which isn’t even that bad compared to other players.
CheersNovember 5, 2019 at 5:03 pm #1797264
Sympathy-You said it,injuries.He always is injured.Just like D.Anderton,remember him?Umtiti,Rugani,Khedira,Varane-just some of the players are more prone to inuries than the rest,no matter the age.November 5, 2019 at 8:41 pm #1797307
Come back Memphis Depay, all is forgiven!!!!!
😥😥😥November 5, 2019 at 8:56 pm #1797312
Let’s get that Martinez fella while we’re at it!November 6, 2019 at 7:28 am #1797370
I’m not advocating that Ole should be sacked right now, but he sure as hell has to be come the end of the season, unless a completely unlikely and unexpected transformation takes place.
He had no managerial CV or credentials to get the job full time in the first place, and if Woodward and the gimps had just waited until the end of that season to make an appointment as they should have done, then he would never have even been considered for it.
They now know for sure that if you pay peanuts, you get monkeys.November 6, 2019 at 8:28 am #1797381
Sorry lads, he’s got to go as soon as possible before he advocates the signing of even more duds in January. And Mike, there’d be plenty of managers lining up for the job. We need a manager of stature and credibility if we want to have even the remotest chance of attracting the top players, which we don’t have now.November 6, 2019 at 8:46 am #1797388
Everything at present is wrong in terms of playing style and squad quality. If he wants to succeed performance at present do not matter until after the winter transfer window. He needs to find a way of grinding out wins and stay in contention and then we will see how ambitious our club really is.November 6, 2019 at 10:05 am #1797419
Scholesy-You are spot on fella,currently we dont have the players to perform but just about to get the results.
Bloody ell,watching the likes of Ajax,Chelsea,and Dortmund play their youngsters and with such fluidity,we too should follow that model of set up.November 6, 2019 at 2:40 pm #1797573
But do you really want good old clueless Ole targeting transfers in January?November 6, 2019 at 3:25 pm #1797594
I certainly wouldn’t be in favour of giving Ole any more money, especially if he’s thinking of spunking 80m on a one paced, plod donkey like Declan Rice, as is being widely reported.
Fuck me, that guy is so slow he almost makes Harry Maguire look like an athlete!
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