Bulgaria V England (Hypocrites)

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    stev2bath1
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    Am I the only one who thinks all this fuss over the Racist chanting is so Hypocritical and is taking away talking about the Game. Before anyone says I am racist, I am a brother who grew up in the UK and played football all my life. I have seen us in the UK go from 10 x worse than we saw last night to where we are today which is far from perfect.
    We got to where we are in the UK today without any of the sanctions, bad press or any help from the clubs or the FA. We let worse than that carry on for years and years! We got here today, where we think we can look down our noses at the Eastern Europeans, because our whole society is just more multicultural. Places like Bulgaria are just not as multicultural and they are years behind us and they are doing exactly the same as we did in the UK years ago.
    Very basically I saw that if your team had no black players the racist chanting was all the rage and it was the whole stadium singing Racist songs but as soon as most teams got brothers in their own team and especially when they were one of the star players it died down. You can not stop some people in society being Racist so you will always get idiots shouting crap or some numpty posting a racist tweet. It is impossible to stop.
    As a player I would be pissed if the game got stopped because some of the crowd started making Monkey noises or whistling or booing. It would never effect me and actually drive me to play better. I think they are just basically stupid and whatever I do wont make them less racist!
    As a sanction you don’t stop and ruin the game for the team and the travelling Fans. The FA or FIFA just closes the stadium to home fans in the next game and if they don’t stop then ban them from playing home games in their own country. Alternatively they play all their games behind closed doors.
    As I said we were worse and its Hypocritical we give them this much grief and then we don’t talk about the match like it was inconsequential.

    #1791334
    Alfie07
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    I’m not sure anyone is looking down their noses at Bulgaria. It is not hypocritical to suggest racist chanting, monkey noises and nazi salutes are wrong; regardless of anyone’s history. I also disagree England was ten times worse than last night.

    #1791346
    steveosnakeeye
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    id just stop that team playing full stop until their own fans can be trusted….frag them in to the modern age

    you do make some great points tho

    #1791411

    stev2bath1
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    Alfie You have got to be kidding if you don’t think England was worst than that not sure how old you are but I will assume you are just to young to have seen it but trust me last night was nothing!

    #1791423

    NotoriousBingo
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    It does not matter if England was worse back in the day or not, its the present that matters, I want points deducted… as simple as that, I don’t want racist fans at the World Cup, it makes no sense at all.

    Turkey also rocked the boat with a soldier salute in France after their draw, that’s highly political and they are justifying killing thousands out there on the pitch, it should be punished as well.

    Imagine lining up against someone that justifies killing a family member of yours?

    #1791428
    Alfie07
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    Stev2bath1 – worse than mass Nazi salutes and monkey noises when the country is under the microscope? Nope, not having that. Their fans were acting without a care in the world. They couldn’t care less that they would be caught on camera. That is some low.

    And the argument that no Englishman can complain about racism aimed at them from other countries due to previous racist incidents in England is just ridiculous. I can’t even begin to see where you are coming from.

    To act as a nazi-loving, monkey noise-chanting oafs apologist is something else.

    #1791431
    Stuilse
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    Stev2bath1….good for you that you’d be pissed as a player having to come off for monkey chants and racist chanting. Unfortunately not everyone is like you, all players are different, have different levels of mental strength and will respond to the above differently. I dont give a flying f*** what things were like in England in the past…it has zero bearing on the events of last night. Last night’s behaviour was despicable and one can only hope that UEFA throw the book at Bulgaria. That Bulgarian coach should resign as well…saying that he heard and saw nothing. What a complete and utter doos.

    #1791436

    young_blue
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    Well, what can i say? from your post i’m seeing that you have never been a victim of racism, you have never been subjected to racism. so you can’t speak from the victim’s perspective here. only those whose life had been affected by this racism tragedy will feel. sometimes you need to think from your brain before you go to your keyboard and type something that is not only insensitive but also offensive to victims of the racism. and as long as we have the voice like this this racism war will never be won.

    Just put yourself in Sterling’s shoes or Ming’s shoes. you are out to play for your country, and you had been singled out for abuse because of your skin color whilst your team mates play freely without being affected? how will you feel? it takes a strong personality to come out from that dressing room and play for the team. and here you are thinking about a game, when some of the team you claim to support and the nation you claim to be a citizen are suffering?

    Best of all, i wish to commend the tough stand that Gareth Southgate took from the this issue. but there still loopholes in the laws that prevent racism. and unless that is addressed, there will be no progress.

    #1791444

    stev2bath1
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    Of course I have been a victim of racism like last night and every one takes it differently and no response is right I don’t condemn how any one feels or reacts when it’s happened to them. At no point have I said they Should not be punished I have said what they should do. My point is some people don’t give a shit it happened here but do care it happened there?

    #1791455

    nine nine nine
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    However bad we may have been in this country re racism in football I can’t ever remember hundreds of so called fans all coordinated dressed in black and orchestrated to make monkey noises and offer Nazi salutes towards black players that was a new low and how must the black Bulgarian players felt too?

    And if people in this country really didn’t give a s**t then but do now surely that’s an indication of how far we’ve come as a country re this problem.

    Over to UEFA now???

    #1791552
    adriansmooth
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    stev – I’m white as milk and have not played football in England so it’s not in my capacity to put myself in your shoes, but it is 2019 and racism should never be tolerated in any sport. Even if it did not bother you, it certainly has had serious effect on others. Bulgaria should receive sanctions that will hurt them, it’s the only way they will make amends.
    As for Turkey, I find it difficult to watch Euro ’20 that will field a country who has illegally invaded a sovereign state and killed thousands of innocent people. The behavior of their players against Albania and France was outrageous.

    #1791564

    Devon Hammer
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    For me the chanting and abuse was totally disgusting and sickening. But, almost just as bad was the Bulgaria manager saying he didn’t hear anything, and that they’ve never had a problem! Seriously?

    #1791658

    young_blue
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    Because the UK was once worse than Bulgaria doesn’t justify that players should be subjected to racism and monkey chanting. and worse so when they dress like nazis. i think you are still ignorant about the feeling of the racism victims. i’m glad that Uefa has taken a zero tolerance for racism. nothing justifies what happened in Bulgaria on monday. and the ref was right to stop the match and ask the crowd to behave well or the match will be abandoned. if you are trying to correlate the events of the 70s and early 80s to what is happening 2019. then you are part of the problem.

    #1791750
    killyboye
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    Discrimination of any sort should not be tolerated whether that’s racism or other forms of racism. How then, can the FA get up on its high horse about racism when it blatantly allows the sectarian abuse that James McClean is subjected to every week? You can’t have it both ways. ALL discrimination should be stamped out, whether you agree with McClean or not does not justify allowing the abuse he gets.

    #1791865

    young_blue
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    Racism/discrimination in all forms should be condemned, whether its the skin color, the religion, gender or sexual orientation. and i have to repeat this again.” there is nothing on this earth that will justify what happened in Bulgaria on monday”. you can bring back past incidents, or try to brush off. but that was as bad as i can remember things become. and it’s high time that the authorities take a stern action from those so called racist bunches.

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