August 12, 2019 at 11:09 pm #1774192
The best Shaw ever was for us was when Depay was playing on the left wing. They had a good understanding and Shaw KNEW Depay had his back if he went forward. With Martial he doesn’t have that, with Rashford he does but should Rashford be a CF or a LW? With Martial on the left wing, he won’t or can’t defend so Shaw can’t go forward and is frequently caught as the one in a two on one. If he could get a supportive relationship going with a consistent partner on that wing we might see the best of him, until then, we won’t.August 13, 2019 at 7:10 am #1774205
@killy – It might also help his cause if the lardy fucker could bear to take his head out of the fridge every now and again mate!😳August 13, 2019 at 8:29 am #1774232
Have had a chance to see the game. What a wonderful result, even if it might flatter us a bit. Genuinely happy about that. As far as the team, I think it’s important not to get carried away by a single result, even if 4-0 against a would-be top 6 rival is definitely a good one. The strength of the team isn’t measured by a single game, but by a season. Nevertheless, there were some indicators in my book.
Fairly even, in my book. Chelsea started best and had momentum the first 15 minutes, while we were best in the middle 25 mins of 1st half. Second half was relatively even until 2-0 after which Chelsea never had a chance to recover and seemed out of place.
AWB, Maguire, Lindelöf and DDG were solid. Maguire and AWB in particular looked like what we’ve been missing defense for a while.
Pogba had a good game. Impressive assists, however, in so many situations I found myself wishing he would just make the simple decision instead of trying a fancy back heel move.
Rashford had a good game. He took the 3-0 goal really well. Even if it was a great pass from pogba, he controlled it well and was calm in finishing.
That we kept pressing even after 2-0.
That we kept a steady ship and got stuck-in during the sketchy parts of the game (i.e. until the first goal and the first part of the 2nd half).
Shaw had a bad game. He seemed out of place both in defense and going forward. Hard to say if he can come good. Experience says he can’t.
While McTominay’s work rate was commendable, I also think he’s performance was indicative of him not being good enough to be the player who lifts United back to where we belong. The same can be said for Lingard and Pereira (in spite of his assist). We can’t expect Pogba to keep performing like he did against Chelsea unless we increase the quality around him.
There were a number of situations throughout the game where our midfield seemed to get overrun.
Great result, and much needed considering the transfer window. Important to not get carried away, especially because squad depth is a serious worry for me. For example, what happens if we have to go into games with Maguire and Pogba sidelined by injuries or bans?August 13, 2019 at 8:39 am #1774234
Nil – Good report. I guess squad depth is the least of our worries/priorities right now. Ole has gone about building a team for the future and he’s started with the back line. Next is to sort out that midfield but, squad depth, is something that’s a way off for us as we’re still trying to fix the first 11. Of Maguire is injured then Tuanzebe steps in. If Pogba is banned then Mata/Fred step in.
P.S. Was Shaw really that bad? I know the prerogative on here is to bash at least one player despite performance/result – but was he THAT bad?August 13, 2019 at 9:08 am #1774244
This was a game against a top 6 rival, it shouldn’t be easy and it wasn’t. Our midfield didn’t play that well, their’s is really good at ball retention and played pretty well. That said, I don’t think they created that much. De Gea didn’t make any saves that weren’t routine. We weren’t carved open and presenting them with clear cut opportunities.
I think the Wolves match will provide a good indication of where we are as a team.August 13, 2019 at 9:09 am #1774245
He stood out clearly as the weakest link for me Happy. If Chelsea had more first teamers fit or we were playing another top side I think we would have conceded a couple of times.
As others have said, maybe partnerships haven’t helped him, but it’s not like Rashford and Sanchez don’t put in a shift in front of him. He needs to be a man this season, if a player isn’t covering or he needs help, let them know quickly.
Also, from Solsjkaer’s perspective, Wolves will be targeting this at the weekend, we need to have it worked out.August 13, 2019 at 9:30 am #1774248
Sympathy for the DevilsParticipant
My thoughts on Shaw:
Defensively he is good in 1-on-1 situations as he is quite a strong and quick player, however he tends to get caught out of position, which is obviously a negative. But defending is his strong point.
HOWEVER the main issue is that a full back at a Top 6 team needs to be good offensively too (look at TAA and Robertson at Liverpool and what a difference both made last year). Shaw is actually very bad going forward because of the following:
1.) He can’t dribble an opponent – he always tries to kick the ball ahead and just run after it but that won’t work against decent defenders.
2.) He rarely completes the overlap – he tends to start the run to perform a 1-2 pass with the left winger but then just stops for some reason… can’t understand it.
3.) His first priority is to slow the game down and pass back – look at any match of his in the last few years and you’ll see a trend: when he picks up the ball by the sideline and starts moving forward, the moment he is met with a bit of pressure or the angle starts closing down for him, he immediately turns and passes back. He is also slow at moving forward with the ball. When you look at TAA or Robertson, as soon as they get the ball for Liverpool, their first instinct is to run with pace (either with the ball or without it) forward and give forward passes or get in a position to cross the ball.
Shaw has the physicality to be a top left back but he is either lacking in training on how and when to attack and how to do it, or is lacking in confidence to do it because of fears of leaving gaps, etc.
Either way – he will need to resolve these or he won’t have a spot in a Top 6 defence in future.August 13, 2019 at 11:48 am #1774290
Yeah, and he was like that most of last season happy. But what I don’t get is how people on here seem to rate Lindelof. He’s a pussy, just not good enough in the air or on the ground. Missed the header after which Emerson thundered against the bar if I’m not mistaken.August 13, 2019 at 11:53 am #1774291
is anyone else getting dumb ads within peoples posts now?
seems the site admin has made this change?
nothing to improve the site, just to annoy and making it worse and more clunky, but advertising is king!August 13, 2019 at 11:53 am #1774292
@happy – YES he most certainly was metey, did you not see the game? On second thoughts, don’t bother to answer that question!😉August 13, 2019 at 12:06 pm #1774302
Lindelof is better than Smalling, Jones, Bailly and Rojo. More experienced than Tuanzebe. Low bar but that’s why he’s rated, it’s compared to what we have.
Steveo yes, getting ad’s in the middle of posts now.August 13, 2019 at 12:13 pm #1774304
@jm1502 – But what I don’t get is how people on here seem to rate Lindelof.
He is rated because he’s a solid defender, easily one of the best CB’s in the league. Watched him for Sweden in last years World Cup and he was rock solid. Defo a top player inside him. I kinda believe Lindelof will get even better.. had a tough start at OT but came through it and started to put in some good performances. Considering all the politics being generated by Jones and Smalling it couldn’t of been easy for him…August 13, 2019 at 12:26 pm #1774309
Disagree tMA, thought he went missing for Sweden when they were under the cosh and he does for us. Certainly not one of the best CBs in the PL and there’s always a mistake not far away. I’ll get panned but in my opinion Smalling is a better defender. And there you have it, all about opinions.August 13, 2019 at 12:55 pm #1774317
Finally watched the game last night. Decent performance. We will only improve as the new signings settle in. Importantly, we now have a clear first choice back 4. They aren’t the best back 4 around but they are OUR best back 4 and will improve the more they play together.
Lots of rustiness but that’s maybe to be expected for first game of the season.
Great to see us as a pressing team, that is how the modern game is going.
Still not convicted by Pogba in a midfield 2. Firstly he needs to keep it simple. More one touch forward passing. Secondly after bursting forward either he needs to get back into position quicker or somebody needs to cover his position.
Overall i can see lots of goals this season both for and against. May even stick a tenner on both Martial and Rashford getting over 20 league goals each.
I’m optimistic of a top 4 finish this seasonAugust 13, 2019 at 12:59 pm #1774319
P.S. Was Shaw really that bad?
In my opinion, yes. He seemed off pace, provided very little going forward and Maguire did, on more than occasion, have to cover for him.
And, in terms of comparison, you needn’t look any further than across the pitch to see what it looks like when a full back has a good game. AWB didn’t put in a World beater performance or anything like that, he simply just had a good game. The type of game I would expect 8 out of 10 times by a full back playing to the United standard. Shaw’s performance wasn’t anywhere close to that from what I saw.
Again, this game in and of itself doesn’t mean that Shaw isn’t good enough. The last 5 years, however, indicates that a performance like the one against Chelsea is what we can expect from Luke Shaw on most days, while good performances, like the one AWB put in, tend to be few and far between when it comes to Shaw.
Five years from now, that could also be the story for AWB. Can’t know until we more games to base our assessment on. But that, of course, thankfully, is not what it looks like for AWB right now.August 13, 2019 at 1:07 pm #1774320
is anyone else getting dumb ads within peoples posts now?
Indeed. Quite annoying.August 13, 2019 at 1:42 pm #1774332
Don’t know about Shaw’s overall fitness but I don’t think he’s as overweight as people think. He’s bigger around the chest which makes him look fatter than he his. Having said that, he needs to improve.August 13, 2019 at 2:20 pm #1774347August 13, 2019 at 2:37 pm #1774353
Wasn’t Luke Shaw our POTY last season? So he was better than Pogba, De Gea, Rashford etc…
He certainly didn’t have the best of games against Chelsea but in a new back 4 they kept a clean sheet and I thought it was a really promising display from the team. It’s defo a really a big season ahead for Shaw but, as our incumbent player of the year, he really does have a good platform to build from.August 13, 2019 at 3:39 pm #1774369
This was written by a Sky Sports journalist on Sunday – “United may not have started as fluently as Chelsea but they out-ran, out-thought and ultimately out-battled them with the movement of Anthony Martial and Marcus Rashford catching the eye.”
Isn’t it nice to see that we actually outran a team, especially a rival!
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