August 13, 2019 at 3:43 pm #1774372
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@happyhurling – whilst winning POTY is always a good thing, Shaw winning last year was almost a token gesture as absolutely no one in the squad deserved it. I think he won it more because he was a standard 7 on 10 throughout without any particular down points, whilst all other players in the team either blew hot or cold.
In reality, POTY could’ve been given to anyone of Shaw, Lindelof or Herrera, because all were constantly in the first team and all had 7/10 matches throughout.
CheersAugust 13, 2019 at 4:14 pm #1774376
@happy – As I’ve told you before, having tubby Luke as our POY is more of a damning indictment on the rest than it is anything else. Since when have Manchester United had their ‘best player’ rated so lowly within the game that he can’t even get a squad place for his national team?!
Him winning POY was more like voting for who would make the best child minder between Gary Glitter, Jimmy Saville, Rolf Harris and Cyril Smith, simple as that.August 13, 2019 at 6:06 pm #1774393
Blacky – Fair enough. What did you think of your mate “headless chicken” Rashford on Sunday?!August 13, 2019 at 7:12 pm #1774409
No does it fuck mean he’s better than Pogba ffs. He got voted player of the season by United members presumably, and that says it all. Thank fuck they won’t decide the next government.August 13, 2019 at 7:57 pm #1774418
Yeah because the British public have covered themselves in glory on that front. One’s as bad as the other.August 13, 2019 at 9:33 pm #1774440
Er, steady killy, the British public haven’t voted for the next government yet mate.August 14, 2019 at 7:09 am #1774466
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@jm1502 – I think he meant how the British public absolutely embarrassed themselves (in the eyes of the rest of the world at least) with the way they handled Brexit.
Back on to football – POTY is for the best PERFORMING player and not the actual most skilful player – it’s the same debate had each year with the Ballon D’Or. Modric won it last year not because he was (or is) the best footballer but because he performed to a level higher than those of his peers.
Shaw, won it for the same reason but, on the other hand, his peers were rubbish so it was more about him being the “least rubbish” rather than won on actual merit.
CheersAugust 14, 2019 at 7:09 am #1774467
@happy – I thought Rashford was about a 7/10 maximum, before the penalty both him and Martial were doing their usual ‘trick’ of running into blind alleys and losing the ball unnecessarily, a bit like a “headless chicken” in fact!
Let’s put it this way, barring injury he’d better get 20 PL goals this season now he is on superstar wages or else!August 14, 2019 at 7:11 am #1774469
I know what he meant Sympathy but yeah, you’re right, football only.August 14, 2019 at 7:14 am #1774472
Agree Blacky, for me the jury’s still out on Rashford, but has been back in for some time for Martial. Funny how the odd goal from a yard out gives some people an instant election. If only!August 14, 2019 at 7:27 am #1774477
did you mean erection?
seems you are still talking brexit Jim 😉August 14, 2019 at 7:28 am #1774479
I actually meant allowing a situation where Teresa May was PM and then followed by Boris. Admittedly Boris isn’t the wider public’s fault but someone votes him in to parliament. Brexit’s a whole other matter and certainly not for this page. Having said that, Corbyn’s not exactly leadership material either. It’s a sad state of affairs, we’re not munch better over here. The political parties in Ireland are just scratching each others backs, no viable alternative being offered at all. Still, football only, no viable alternative to Shaw’s vote as POTY, you could add another ‘t’ to describe the club’s year, potty.August 14, 2019 at 7:52 am #1774487
Agree Killy, May was a prick and so is Boris, but Corbyn and his neo Marxist cronies are even bigger ones. Anyway, that’s me done.August 14, 2019 at 7:54 am #1774488
Good job you’re on the ball stevo. Yep, erection mate.August 14, 2019 at 9:28 am #1774519
Let’s have a quick peek at Rashford’s stats for his age vs two of the Premier League greats, shall we?
Thierry Henry at 21 years old – 143 games – 27 goals
Cristiano Ronaldo at 21 – 170 games – 32 goals
Marcus Rashford at 21 – 170 games – 47 goals
It’s so easy to forget how young he is. The potential he has is massive.
(Of course you’ll find some way to belittle these facts).August 14, 2019 at 10:02 am #1774527
@happy – That’s roughly a one goal in 3.5 game stat regards goals, let’s see where how he compares to Henry and Ronaldo when he’s in his mid 20’s shall we?.
I’m willing to bet he will not be much better than a one in three at best, which is good but not great.
He is now ‘earning’ the big bucks so he has to deliver big performances regularly, not just in little spurts as he has done so far. That’s what the great players do every season, no excuses or apologists can hide that fact.August 14, 2019 at 10:08 am #1774530
The money is irrelevant Blacky in my view. Fact is he’s further ahead at 21 than Henry or Ronaldo were in terms of output. (Although I’m sure you thought both of those guys were headless chickens too!). I’m talking about Rashford’s potential, it’s massive. And he’s a local lad so let’s get behind him eh?August 14, 2019 at 10:46 am #1774542
@happy – I actually don’t give too much of a fuck where a player is from mate, it’s all about the end product on the pitch for me. As for the money being “irrelevant”, do me a chuffin’ favour!. If he’s one of the top paid players in the league he sure as hell has to perform like one far more often, or he will just come under ever increasing scrutiny and pressure from both our fans and the press alike, just like Alexis Sanchez rightly does now for his ridiculously low performance levels compared to the extravagant wage he receives.
Finally, you’re probably not doing yourself (or Rashford!) too many favours in trying to compare other people’s judgement of a football player to yours matey. The back catalogue of oafs and donkeys you have tipped for future OT stardom down the years only to see them fail spectacularly shortly afterwards would take longer than War and Peace to read!, simple as that.August 14, 2019 at 10:48 am #1774543
when Henry started, he was a winger, then he was converted to an attacker, most people including arsenal fans thought and were right in thinking he couldnt hit a barn door! but then it clicked and the rest is history…will let others discuss Ronaldo with more knowledge!
i get what you are saying Happy but by the same token it is a little silly, different times, teams, players and so much to take in concideration.
and like Blacky says the money although irrelevant to you is not in the real world, he is on STAR striker money so should be a STAR striker
been a 1st team regular for his home town club for years yet is still hit and miss?
still think he has great potential but its around now potential should become more than that?August 14, 2019 at 11:05 am #1774547
Rashford is now the same age as Harry Kane when he first hit 20 in a season. See if you can find a Spurs fan who thought he’d make it prior to this and I’ll show you a liar!
Rashford is on his 3rd manager and at a time when we have struggled. Let’s hope a settled season with an attack minded manager will help both Rashford and Martial develop into 15/20 goal a season players.
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