Coronavirus and No Football

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  • #1842167

    Kickass23
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    @alfie07 Selfish?? Please go and look at the mirror. To finish what you’ve started is selfish? This is how you live your life? Started something you’re not capable to finish, and you just leave and reset? Lolzzz…..I really hope in real life you don’t have this kind of attitude.

    #1842190

    happyhurling
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    Kickass is clearly on some kind of windup. Don’t care about saving lives over football? Don’t be an even bigger weapon than you already are by supporting that wank rag of a club!

    #1842193
    Alfie07
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    French football not returning until Sept at the earliest.

    Cannot see Spain or Italy coming back any sooner either.

    #1842198

    hookeddevil
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    Clubs in Italy and Germany are returning to training with a view to resuming their leagues (or have at least set provisional dates for it). There is plenty of time to fit the season in before the next one. The players will have to get used to playing behind closed doors, next season will start that way regardless of whether this one finishes or not. Playing through June and July will be next seasons pre-season. FIFA have proposed allowing 5 subs in order to help manage fatigue.
    It’s reasonably simple for the Elite clubs to isolate themselves and their staff in a hotel and play behind closed doors. The problems will lie further down the leagues where they don’t have the resources for this. For the lower leagues I wonder whether the PL can help out with providing resources (£) to enable them to safely restart. Perhaps lower league clubs could screen matches online and still generate some revenue, I expect all the PL games will get screened if they restart or at least screened to season ticket holders.
    There isn’t the space in the football calendar to increase the PL by three teams, it’s hard enough to fit all the matches and internationals in as it is.
    Boredom is one of the greatest risks to all of us at the moment. Tracking data is already showing more people are going out (via mobile phone signals and traffic cameras) than were going out at the start of the lockdown. Providing a distraction by re-starting sports where possible will help to keep people in.

    #1842201

    hookeddevil
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    If everything is cancelled then I personally think final standings should be calculated on a points per game basis. Average every teams home points and away points separately. Apply the home point average to their remaining home games and the away average to their away games. Not ideal but I think, better than just stopping the season as it will equalise the number of games everyone has played. I have no idea how this would affect final standings but it seems a reasonable way of finishing things off. This way all the places are decided and European places are allocated along with deciding winners and relegation.

    #1842204

    homerjay540
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    @hookeddevil, most effective way to isolate would be at home with their families. That way if one player catches Covid, he’s likely to pass it on to his family but not the rest of the team.
    Also, I don’t think many would complain if Liverpool were crowned champions on a per points basis however it would be very unfair to relegate teams on that basis where Bournemouth would get relegated on goal difference and Aston Villa are worse off by 0.038 points per game played.
    I’ve heard the suggestion of no relegation, increasing next season to 22 or 23 teams but with the season likely to kick off later than usual and needing to finish before the European Championships adding more games won’t help things.

    #1842206

    Kickass23
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    @happyhurling I didn’t ask to resume the matches at this stage. I ask to continue when Is possible. You and Alfie cant even put in a convincing statement. All you 2 said is Save life , null and void. Seriously, this is the best you can do?

    #1842207

    hookeddevil
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    @Homer Isolation can’t last forever. I was thinking how it could restart.

    #1842208

    hookeddevil
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    Points Goal Dif
    1 Liverpool 107 59
    2 Manchester City 78 51
    3 Leicester City 69 39
    4 Chelsea 63 16
    5 Manchester United 58 17
    6 Sheffield United 58 7
    7 Wolverhampton Wanderers 56 9
    8 Tottenham Hotspur 54 10
    9 Arsenal 53 5
    10 Crystal Palace 51 -8
    11 Burnley 51 -8
    12 Everton 49 -11
    13 Newcastle United 46 -20
    14 Southampton 45 -22
    15 Brighton 38 -10
    16 Watford 36 -22
    17 Bournemouth 36 -23
    18 West Ham United 36 -19
    19 Aston Villa 35 -29
    20 Norwich City 28 -35

    #1842210

    hookeddevil
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    That doesn’t display very well but it’s the table with the average points for home and away added on and the average goals for and against applied.

    The real dispute would be between West Ham and Bournemouth. By a points fraction Bournemouth stay up but after rounding their totals they are all equal then West Ham go down!

    Otherwise the table remains more or less the same as it is

    #1842214

    hookeddevil
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    ‘The real dispute would be between West Ham and Bournemouth. By a points fraction Bournemouth stay up but after rounding their totals they are all equal then West Ham go down!’
    Ignore that.
    By a points fraction Bournemouth would stay up ahead of West Ham. Guess that’s why Ms Brady has been calling for the season to be scrapped….
    If rounding is applied to the points total and then average goals scored and conceded is then applied Bournemouth go down.

    #1842215

    nine nine nine
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    Agree with the PPG proposal it’s not perfect but the best way and answers most of the problems although I would be against in relegating West Ham or Bornemouth on the basis of goal difference and I’m not just saying that because PPG gives Chelsea a CL place, in the current circumstances I don’t really care about a CL placd and I wonder about the realities of a CL season next season any way.

    I don’t get the desperation of the likes of Kickass to play the last 9 games no matter what when Liverpool will be crowned Champions any way.

    France has now cancelled Ligue 1 and 2 until September joining Holland and Belgium with the SPFL are on the brink despite Rangers attempts, the Italian Sports Minister has said it’s too early for Sport to return , reports from Spain suggest there’s a reluctance to return and the Medical Director of FIFA cautions against football returning too early.

    When football returns in England will be down to the Government but with nearly 22,000 cumulative deaths, another almost 600 deaths today and nearly 4,000 new cases today and given what’s happening across Europe in the other Leagues it would be a very brave decision to give football the green light to return currently.

    This season is done and dusted imo now given all the circumstances and I wouldn’t want to see it impact on the new Season and I doubt it will be allowed to given the previous statements from UEFA and the FA about it may not be possible to complete this season.

    At the end of the day football is just a game and shouldn’t put human lives further at risk.

    #1842224

    hookeddevil
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    If points per game is also applied to the championship then just the top 2 are promoted as the playoffs can’t be played. This could solve the Bournemouth/West ham issue.

    #1842230

    homerjay540
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    @hooked, I’m not really following you here. Why have you got Bournemouth ahead of West Ham? They have the same points after the same amount of games but West Ham have better goal difference and goals scored

    #1842231
    Alfie07
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    Not sure PPG is fair. You might as well keep the league as it is. Many teams have easier run ins than others, which means they have played the harder matches already so you would expect them to get more points at the end of the season than up to now (per game average).

    I cannot see PL teams accepting being relegated on PPG basis.

    Whatever happens it won’t be fair, even playing behind closed doors wouldn’t be fair.

    Unless lockdown ends I cannot see how football can be restarted as people will break lockdown to go to the stadiums regardless of whether fans are allowed in or not.

    People have already shown they cannot follow simple rules.

    #1842232
    Alfie07
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    Homer – I think he does a different average for home and away matches.

    #1842233

    hookeddevil
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    @Homer West Ham have 35.56 points before rounding up, Bournemouth and Watford both have 35.74 so Excel places Bournemouth higher than West Ham as the filter is points before goal difference.

    #1842236

    hookeddevil
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    The points per game system changes very little from how the table currently is. It’s not a perfect solution but it does mean everyone has equal games played.
    Given that playoffs can’t be played then two up, two down seems reasonable but clearly not ideal. I could be wrong but I think a motion only needs 14 clubs to back it.

    I imagine the threat of lifetime stadium bans or similar would be enough to keep all but the most stupid away from stadiums. Pretty sure that football will return before large gatherings are allowed so people will need to accept behind closed doors football.

    #1842247

    Kickass23
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    Is not desperation. Is the best way to answer the unanswered. This is fair to every division in football. You might see is 9games, but LFC is only 2games away to win the titles. You play the match until you’re impossible to catch up than you’re done. You might play less than 9games. Sometimes you guys need to think outside the box. You guys stand to close to the tree and you can’t see the forest. Is actually very simple to solve if you’re don’t just focus on LFC winning the titles. If EPL still have 18-20 games left, I agree to scrap it.

    #1842249
    Alfie07
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    But playing two games is focusing on Liverpool, your post above purely focuses on Liverpool.

    A public health adviser to WHO are suggesting grass roots football first, I wonder why? Is it because they realise fans would try to go to the grounds anyway and have mass gatherings when teams won titles?

    The FIFA medical chief says no football until Sept.

    We will probably ignore both and play in late May, but that will be putting money over health. The Premier League should state just how many additional deaths they are happy with to get football played again, and then let the public decide if it is worth it.

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