Crystal Palace

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  • #1955466

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    So we need 1 centre back? Not two then.

    I think Bellerin will leave so we will need a replacement right back, and a back up left back but after that the priority should be midfield and another striker.

    #1955470

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    I hope Everton win against city and we beat Brighton and then Scums drops points because playing in 3rd rate Europa cup or whatever is pointless.

    Cant understand why Arteta would be happy about that.

    #1955480
    The Oracle
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    Oh dear Moppy, this is tedious. We need 2 but that’s not going to happen is it given we need strengthening in every area. What don’t you understand about that. We don’t have the sort of budget needed. Did you read the sentence concerning Saliba? Take away Saka, Smith-Rowe and Tierney non of them are good enough for a club aiming for a top4 challenger. But when you have a novice manager as we do you know he will get it wrong, especially when it comes to transfers. Hope it’s clear now.

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    Muffler, neither can I but he is.

    #1955546

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    Stev and Fatmop at al. Apologies for the rants during the game- was well gone and “in vino veritas” and all that. For the first time in a long time, got well oiled beforehand with friends and than watched the match half gone. So yes, it is stupid to make comments during a game and the second half performance nearly made me burst a blood vessel before the two late strikes that gave us a bit of a flattering win, but win nonetheless. I thought the first half was ok, despite Benteke missing an easy sitter after around 30 minutes. Palace’s equaliser said everything about our weak mentality. What was Gabriel doing and so stupid of Elneny to try and claim a free kick from a small shove. Both culpable. After that, as usual we went to pieces when a team draws level. We just can’t cope and this mentality has been evident for years. Thankfully, Martinelli came on and rescued us as if Lacazette had come on to play centrally and Auba then on the left, the latter would not have anticipated the chance I am sure. Palace were really woeful and now a strong chance of the new European tournament! Can’t wait, when does it start- July?! What a shambles.

    #1955551

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    The most telling part of Keown’s commentary, and he has said this before- “the team looks completely confused, not surprising as the personnel, formation and tactics change in every match!”

    This is what happens when a novice takes over in a job he’s not ready for, “learning on the job.” I still cannot forgive Arteta for his “tactics” against the so average Villareal, which cost us a place in the EL final. What a time to experiment.

    #1955554

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    No worries Jeff we’ve all been in vino veritas I am sure. Me far too often! And yes I can’t say the chance of being in europa conference fills me with any excitement, probably better to be out all together and rebuild.

    #1955583

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    No prob jeff you were right about one thing even though you were out of it, those subs to me I had no idea what the plan was and nor did the players. Also don’t really care whether we get seventh or not.

    #1955611
    the specialone
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    Muffler and Mop – It’s fairly evident to me after this season that our club has the most whiniest fans on the planet that sure like to moan a lot.It’s okay if you do it with a reason.It’s not okay if you do it so unreasonable and illogically.

    What are you having a go at Arteta for?Some of the things he has done since he’s taken over have been unbelievable.Beating all top managers possible, winning an impossible FA cup with this bang average squad,Finally making our club win at Old Trafford and stamford bridge.These are all miracles, because it has been done with Bang average squads.He’s been dealt the worst hand any manager can be dealt with.You say he knew what he was getting into?I certainly think he didn’t and maybe he regrets it.He didn’t know our negotiators are so poor that we couldn’t sign aouar last summer when he was our main target.He didn’t know our negotiators are so poor we ended up trying to get Partey’s price down all summer only to end up paying the release clause on the last day.He didn’t know he would get no other signings.Yes he’s made mistakes but they are not big enough that he deserves constant criticism for.

    Mop,You say some other manager should come in if he’s not able to get the best out of this team.You are so so wrong here.He has gotten the absolute best out of this squad.He has made youngsters like Saka and ESR break through this season.If he thinks Martinelli is still not ready to start then I believe him.A lot of people like to moan unreasonably on Martinelli,Have some bloody faith in the manager will ya.Martinelli started against Everton but we failed to win and he failed to make an impact.He is easing him in I have full faith in Arteta how he’s handling him.

    As far as our defence is concerned, it has bang average players.Holding,chambers,Mari.He has had to deal with a right back who’s head’s been gone for a while and is certainly leaving.He’s had to deal with an injury prone Tierney who dosen’t even have a back up to fill in for him.After all of this, we still have the best defensive record in years.That is not because of the defenders,Most of whom are bang average.It’s because Arteta has implemented this defensive organisation in this team that seems to be working.It is absolutely outstanding if you ask me what he’s done with our defence with average players.
    Don’t underestimate the job he’s had to do.

    Lastly,you still haven’t answered my question.Do you not think all the teams above in in the table have better squads than ours.I certainly do.Ok maybe West Ham can be debatable but I genuinely believe they edge our squad.Our squad is so so poor and people don’t realise it.Arteta is the best man possible for this job.The only two managers I’d have over him is Klopp and Guardiola.But otherwise, he is the best candidate.It all depends now on whether the club is ready to back him.And by that I mean wholesale changes!!

    #1955617
    the specialone
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    Also,I was watching the game against palace.A highly motivated team who obviously wanted to win it for their retiring manager.It was going to be the toughest of games always.
    I didn’t entirely like our performance, we gave palace more shots at goal.They were slightly better I felt.However,I look back and was thinking what could be the reason for it and then I look at our team sheet and am so so disappointed.I’m actually in disbelief that these calibre of players are playing week in week out for us.

    I’d have most of crystal palace players over ours that started.It’s no wonder we are not able to play the way Arteta ultimately wants us to play.Because these players are incapable.They’re quite honestly terrible and Arteta all throughout the season has made them look less terrible which he simply dosen’t get credit for.

    Our team is full of bang average and academy players.I know people like to wet their pants over academy players.They like to wet their pants over talents like ESR and Saka.As talented as they might be they’re still raw and inexperienced and you simply cannot rely on them.They played the whole season and we still finished so low.YOU CANNOT RELY ON THEM.KEEP THEM AS BACK UPS,IF THEY PERFORM THAN GREAT.Don’t use them as an excuse for not signing other players it would be the height of stupidity.
    How many games has Saka played this season?over 40?For a player of his age it’s ridiculous.He’s probably burnt out now.

    I will just end by saying even though palace looked the better side, we still had a higher XG than them.For those of you who don’t know what this is go and look it up.It basically mans in the whole game who had the better chances to score goals.Pep always says a manager’s job is to get his team to the final third the rest is upto them.Arteta has had a higher Xg than that of his opponents in so many games we’ve failed to pick up three points from.Again all this with a bang average squad.

    Arteta for me is an outstanding manager who has done an outstanding job barring some mistakes.People just refuse to give him enough credit, and site his inexperience to call him a rookie manager.I feel sad for those people who think a Carlo Ancelotti would do better with this Squad.LOL.
    He would do so much worse than Arteta you have no idea.A young animated manager with fresh idea is exactly what we need and we have that with Arteta.

    #1955622

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    I questioned Artetas mentality when he is happy to fight it out around a 3rd rate Europa cup.

    Thats not Arsenal and never have been something to be happy about.

    As for a defensive record true its better in years then again when you ship in over 50 in the last seasons the bar is set quite low.

    As attacking goes its our worst season.

    Arteta has done some good things and some bad things for sure but again its a result based sport and like it or not where we are is not good enough in any shape or form. This is Arsenal not West Brom standards are higher and at some point Arteta needs to deliver more than he has.

    #1955629

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    TSO its a silly argument to have to compare squads you don’t know enough about the other teams to say they have better players than ours apart from the high profile players. Anyway Its not just the squad its also about form tactics, injuries and team management. I like Arteta but he is not perfect and our poor performance this year is not just because we have an average squad its also because of errors he has made which again he has admitted. He is not totally happy with his own performance (as you seem to be), which is great because if he was he would be doomed as this season was not good enough. I am all for keeping him and as I said I believe and hope he will be better next season. Unfortunately, I am not sure I can say the same about our squad !

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    Muffler the defensive record may be better than in previous seasons, the reasons for that are simple, Arteta is such a negative manager. We make little attempt to get forward, our midfield is ponderous and spends more time retreating and passing backwards. Our defence is not good, it’s poor, we concede poor goals, we rarely keep clean sheets and most of the goals we concede are the result of poor defending and defensive errors, Gabriel last night being another on the long list of poor defending, where was he when Benteke scored? Answer nowhere, terrible marking and not for the first time from Gabriel. How many goals has Leno cost us? More errors than any other keeper since we signed him. Xhaka more errors than any other outfield player. It’s this negative attitude that has led to our goal shortage. Why isn’t Martinelli playing more often, why did we loan out better players than we signed? Why did we sell the PL’s best keeper Martinez? Why did it take 10 years to discover him? Arteta is culpable in these decisions and has made far too many errors to convince me he will get it right next season.

    Stev2bath1 we all know we have a poor squad but Arteta is not blameless here. He sold Martinez, he loaned out 4 midfield players leaving us bereft of pace and power in midfield. It’s Arteta who insisted on signing Willian, Gabriel, and Partey non of whom have impressed. His bizarre team selections, changes in formation, swapping players all over the place and ignoring our young talent is the reason we have had such a poor season. He has to shoulder the blame and he can get excited about The Europa Conference if he likes but no one else is. He has until Christmas, then he’s out.

    #1955649

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    TSO – no I don’t think every team above us have better players. City , United , Liverpool and Chelsea yes, but other than that I think our squad is at least level. And in any case a lot of these players Arteta brought to the club, he has to take some responsibility.

    Look I don’t think he should be sacked but if we have made no improvements by this time next year why should he stay?

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    Muffler – When did he say he’s happy to fight it our for a Europa Conference spot?He said and I quote “We will do everything to give our fans European football next season”.In the same interview is also said this season has not been good enough and we ideally want to win trophies.He is sensible enough to know it will never happen with this squad but he still mentioned the word trophies.Whatever I’ve heard from him till now, it has been ambitious even though he knows he dosen’t have the backing.BTW after saying for the past one and a half year of how Kronke backs him,Everyone knows he only said that because he wants to be on the good side of the owners like any other manager.No manager is publicly going to come out and blatantly criticise the club’s owner where he is employed.However,he did say recently in his press conference that he needs backing, and he needs the Kronke to back him in the summer.

    stev – I think you’re still confused.He dsoen’t have to be better this season because he has neither overachieved nor underachieved this season.This squad is not equipped to win a trophy and this we haven’t.This squad is only good enough for a 7th to 9th places finish.You fans are so confused.You are comparing the stature of Arsenal football club and consequently expecting us to do better just because it’s Arsenal without giving any thought to How poor a squad we have.It’s unfair on Arteta to be able to do more as it would be to any other manager.In ways you might not understand,I actually think we’ve progressed this season.

    Mop – There it is.If you cannot even acknowledge that those teams have better squads then I’m really speechless.
    Man City,utd,chelsea,liverpool have squads a gazillion times better than ours.Leciester have been the best recruiters in the PL and have consequently and undoubtedly a betters squad than ours not because they’ve spent more money but because they’ve spent each penny wisely.Spurs have a much better squad than ours and their managers this season have clearly underachieved.They beat us in each and every position it’s time you accept this.Everton have been spending a lot of money over the past few years and have consequently gathered a talented and exerpeinced and most importantly proven squad whose manager has yet again underachieved.I mean Keane is so much more better than a holding.Coleman is better than Bellerin.Digne is just as good as Tierney.Pickford is better than Leno.Their midfield overall is better than ours.They have a better squad it’s time you accept it.As for West Ham,I’d say it might just be on par with ours.But I really do feel they edge it.I think they’ve recruited well as well.Do yo not remember that we were in for both fornals and benrahama as well but we couldn’t afford them because we spent all our money 0n Pepe.

    The problem is you’re not willing to accept that we have an average squad filled with subpar players and academy players.That’s why I have said we need a minimum 200m investment just to get back into competing for CL places.

    #1955691

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    TSO – You might think Leicester have a better team than the us. I don’t and I doubt Brendan Rodgers does.

    I’ll ask again – if Arteta does not progress the team, why should he stay in post?

    #1955698

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    Tso you can’t base this on you watching match of the day. You follow Arsenal so you can not seriously say these players are better. You don’t know any of these teams well enough. You see Tierney every week and Digne for two seconds on a highlights reel. This squad over achieved and did win a trophy and if that’s what it he needs to do to finish above 9th then he will need to over achieve to keep his job. My expectations based on this squad is higher than yours so for me it won’t be an over achievement. I believe This squad is good enough to finish top six and that’s where we should be as a minimum.

    #1955699
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    Stev – It’s Disrespectful for you to make Ridiculous Presumptions about what I watch and what I don’t.You can see from my posting history on how right I’ve been Judging things over the course .No I don’t want a pat on the back but your questioning my credibility when I’ve been right on many occasions contrary to the “Popular opinion” so I have to put it out there.
    Match of the day?If You think that’s what I base my opinion on then I feel sad for you.

    I’m pretty certain I watch more football than most people.Considering the pandemic, even moreso And I’ve watched so many more PL games over the year.Other leagues as well.

    The thing is your judgement of the squad is awful.No one in their right mind would expect us to finish higher with this squad.Maybe you just rate Players like Holding over Keane.One is regularly selected for the National team and the other dosen’t even have a cap to his name.I guess you’ll try to argue that too, saying the England manager dosen’t know what he’s doing…

    #1955734

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    He said it like us fans would be happy about European football in a 3rd rate cup. So yes the undertone is there from him so he clearly would be happy about reaching it when no fan would like us to make it to that 3rd rate cup.

    I dont mind pipping scums but i hope Everton win so we avoid making 7th place.

    #1956013

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    Be honest with yourself you don’t watch any team other than Arsenal enough to really compare players I don’t care how much you watch. You are an Arsenal fan and it’s the only team you watch every week and every game, that’s what you know. You appear to be saying this is as well as Arteta or anyone could have done with this squad this season and I don’t agree and I don’t think he would agree himself!

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