Does Hendo need to be the TOP 3 midfielders in the CL to not be average

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    SirRoger
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    If he didn’t have enough football ability he wouldn’t be playing in a Klopp side. He plays fairly regularly for England too. Two managers who clearly currently rate him. That’s all that counts regardless of what our subjective opinions of him are. Klopp (and Southgate for that matter) is far better qualified than I am to assess a player’s ability and I’m more than happy to accept his rating of those he selects.

    I don’t like repeating myself but I will: we’re the current reigning Champions League champions sitting at the top of the table with a healthy lead being led by a captain of Klopp’s choosing. If he was no better than bang average, he’d be nowhere near the side.

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    mwake
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    I agree there was a time when Hendersons performances weren’t great and that he was part of an ill-functioning midfield that couldn’t control or create. Also yes I do remember a time when Henderson when he played like a liability, he’s definitely had his bad spurts. However since Klopp has joined he has upped his game massively, he’s never going to be Juan Sebastian Veron but hes bought his overall game level to a point where he is executing Klopp’s gengenpressing protocol to a high level. Creatively I agree he’s not amazing, but he’s fortunately playing in a system that doesn’t require him to be Veron or Xabi Alonso, just has to be Jordan Henderson, the best version of himself.

    I remember a time when nobody would have batted an eyelid if he had been sold to Fulham. Whereas now he has become part of the furniture. The great thing about Klopp is that hes able to drop Henderson whenever he feels like without it being awkward. But other than that Henderson is a valuable salt of the earth sqaud member.

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    Rob Fort Worth TX
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    In defence of Jordan he has hacked in the PL whilst the more talented Veron didn’t. Big girls blouse when he was with United.

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    SirRoger
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    That’s a bit harsh, Rob. Girls blouses, big or small, serve some purpose!

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    Mikus
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    Henderson plays a lot under Klopp because he’s generally always available, puts in a shift, and is trusted by his manager from a tactical point of view. Doesn’t mean he’s a top draw player, just that as Rob has said, other options in the squad are riskier for Klopp. This is what causes the split opinion on Henderson. To his biggest fans, such graft and team work, because of its rarity nowadays, has become a key quality in a market riddled with egos. This debate is the crux of the whole thread.

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    Davinci
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    Songman, you are laughable. So going by your logic, Henderson has been a quality player for about 6 months then – seeing as we only won something with Klopp then.
    This thread and other similar threads were specifically about Henderson, so the fact that you are trying to make it about the team’s success and Klopp’s choices, shows you have very little to back up your Top Quality claim for Henderson.

    JC, I think you’ll find I’ve constantly said Henderson was ‘average’. I’ve even made the point that I don’t think he is crap (though he has tested that thought a few times tbh). He’s an average, middle of the road player, who I’d class with the likes of Drinkwater and Noble etc. Where he’s lucky is that he is playing in a team which hides many of his deficiences.

    If Henderson played for another team, I guarantee not one person on here would suggest buying him. And not any fan of a top 6 team would want him either (ask a few). That he features consistently for England is more down to a lack of quality options than his footballing talent. Who exactly is he keeping out of the England side? LOL….Peace

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    j c
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    Drinkwater had one good season, and to be fair he was very good! He won the league, and played a big part in that.

    Unfortunately to play at the top level is very gruelling, a lot of guys get a big contract then they’re all set. A lot of footballers don’t even like the sport, or lose their passion for it after a few years. Never to be heard of or seen from again. And that’s pretty much what happened with Danny Drinkwater.

    Not really seeing the similarity between him and Henderson…

    But it does give an insight into the very superficial way that you judge players.

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    Red Herring
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    So, finally Davinci has revealed why Henderson is now in his 9th season with Liverpool and has been a regular starter and made 338 appearances, yet has always been so average. Simple…..it’s all been down to luck all of this time!

    ‘Where he’s lucky is that he is playing in a team which hides many of his deficiencies’

    Why didn’t I think of that? Here was me thinking that successive managers (Dalglish, Rogers and Klopp) put him in the team because they could see some ability that he had. No, it turns out that it was just because he was lucky.

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    Davinci, your delusion and negativity is so obvious, anyone can see through you. It seems you still cannot get over the pain of seeing Henderson majestically lift the biggest trophy in club football, despite you insulting him for years.

    As for his quality, the best way to find out is to let experts like Klopp, Rodgers and Gerrard decide, or even the UEFA panel, and all of them have stated quite clearly that Henderson is a quality player.

    And no one in their right mind will ever trust your opinion on him anyway, as you have embarrassed yourself several times over here by getting it completely wrong on so many players.

    For me, since 2014 Henderson has consistently played a big part in winning/challenging for the biggest trophies for Liverpool, and that’s definite quality for me, because winning is everything in football.

    And who even cares what fans of other teams think of Henderson, do they know more than Klopp? What matters most is what Klopp thinks of him, and getting him to deliver on the pitch.

    Keep on with your losing tirade as Henderson and Liverpool soar to new heights

    #1796529

    NotoriousBingo
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    “They just keep going and probably tired us out too much right at the end. Chances were coming and we were just trying to keep them at bay but the ball just keeps coming back at you.

    “They are relentless – they just drain you mentally. Full credit to them.”

    this is a quote from John McGinn, about the way we play, the intensity… This might be the way Klopp wants us to play and you have to give him a lot of credit for that but you also have to praise all the industry that goes into breaking a team down in the last minutes of a game over and over again.

    Jordan is the perfect midfielder for Klopp, he keeps up that tempo the whole fucking game, he never switches off and it rubs off on his team mates. The same praise goes to Milner and Wijnaldum, they might not be clocking up the assists or goals but as a unit they are spine of this team and are destroying the league together.

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    Rob Fort Worth TX
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    Waiting for Davinci’s ‘lucky cross’ post!

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    Songman
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    Henderson was so sick he had to be taken off, and still managed to deliver a boss performance.

    If anyone is in doubt as to what our best midfield for the big games is, just go back and watch today’s game again

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    kopite
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    Rob: Of course it was a lucky cross. Hendo has meant to score from there.

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    Mikus
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    He’s been more positive in more recent games, particularly at home. And voila, it pays off.

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    Songman
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    He was even far more positive in 2014, but long may his good form continue, and more importantly long may Liverpool keep winning

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    j c
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    But for some better finishing, Henderson would have already had 3 or 4 assists by now this season.

    He’s been playing a lot of good crosses. Good to see one finally go in.

    Henderson always puts in a performance against City, you can count on him in the big games.

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    Red Herring
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    So, Klopp, being the best Manager that we’ve probably had in a generation; yet again, when the biggest game comes along, goes straight to Henderson as the player that he trusts to help deliver the result. In spite of the fact that he’d missed training in the week with an illness, Klopp was happy to get an hour out of him and then make the substitution; and that hour coincided with us (effectively) putting the match beyond doubt. But, hey-ho, let’s continue to label him as average. It annoys me that I continue to spend time engaging with the Henderson-bashers; when it’s all so futile but you continue to believe that facts may eventually elicit a U-turn in opinion…..but once you’ve nailed your colours to a mast, then nothing is going to budge people from that stance (see ‘Brexit’).

    As ‘average’ now seems to be the term to define Henderson by, don’t we need to define the sampling range under which the average is calculated? Is he an average midfielder within a.) Liverpool ? b.) leading European teams (current top 5 is Liverpool, Man City, Barcelona, Bayern and Juventus) ? c.) PL ‘big 6’ ? d.) All PL teams ? e.) All 4 English leagues ? Any offers on this?

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    gingerlfc
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    Yesterday marked the 250th league appearance for Henderson, only the 6th player to do that in Prem era for Liverpool along the likes of Gerrard, Hypia, Fowler, Reina and Carra. He’ll soon overtake Fowler, Reina and Hypia on appearances. In that period he’s been involved in 3 title challenges (including this one) and 3 European Cup finals winning one CL as captain.

    Not bad for an average player.

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    Davinci
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    What makes me laugh about this thread and the defence of Henderson is that it’s about everything APART FROM what he does with the ball. Ginger has just chimed in with how many appearances he’s made. What has that got to do with him being a Top Quality player?

    In the first half the game was passing him by. Me and some guys on our whatsapp group were saying how uninvolved he was. He might as well have been sitting next to me. He was just running around.

    It was a great cross for our 3rd goal, I have no problem accepting that…but where was he throughout the first half? He assisted the 3rd goal then went off.

    When he went off, was anyone worried about a drop in quality? Was anyone worried about losing the influence Hendo had had on the game? NO!

    The only proven Top Quality midfielder we have is Fabinho. And he’s been showing his quality on a consistent basis since he settled into the team. Hendo is nowhere near his level.

    One swallow does not a summer make….and one great cross does not make Hendo a top quality player…Peace

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    Rob Fort Worth TX
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    One thing did happen tho Davinci (and I’m a balanced critic of Henderson) when Henderson did go off City bombarded Trent’s side with a lot of success eventually leading to their goal. Only when Milner and Gomez came on and Ox switched did we re-address the imbalance. Did you share that on your WhatsApp? Lol.

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