Dominic Raab

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    Wonderfuel Gas
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    Brexit is going well then. You have to ask the question of what that absolute melt has been doing in his post for the last however long?

    Can only see one way forward now, another referendum but this time the question is…do you want No Deal or No Brexit. Noel Edmonds can host it.

    I would be laughing my socks off at this bunch of clowns now if the implications weren’t so serious for so many people caught up in this charade.

    #1698098

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    WG – We can’t have another referendum, didn’t you know, letting the general public have a vote on where this country goes next would be undemocratic 🙂

    #1698107

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    3 resignations so far today 🙂

    #1698130

    mufc
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    If another vote occurs, and the people vote to stay in. This means a 3rd will be required, to complete the trilogy. Imagine Ali vs Frasier stayed at one each without a decider.

    #1698152
    Wonderfuel Gas
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    For the third one we can have a mass game of scissor paper stone…knock out format until only one remains.

    Ho ho.

    #1698216
    AshCFC
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    I vote WG for Prime Minister

    A second referendum, possibly branded ‘no more BS’ or ‘sorry we blagged you previously’, is the only reasonable thing to do given the quantum of misinformation that shaped the first one. The realities are there for all to see now, which has to be the most ethical thing now.

    Won’t happen though. Lol.

    #1698222

    Paxman
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    Ash 🙂

    Referendum II – ‘Now you have the knowledge’

    🙂 🙂

    #1698232

    nine nine nine
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    What a mess. But it was always going to be.

    The inter party splits are enormous. Whatever was negotiated wouldn’t have found majority favour across either major party and what we might want from Brexit the EU won’t agree to.

    What would you ask in a second Referendum anyway we’re past just the leave or remain question it now comes down to leave with no deal, leave with the negotiated deal or rejoin the EU.

    Ask those three questions and you will probably get no obvious majority and where do we go from there? Perhaps another referendum.😊

    #1698233

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    I think the big question that nobody seems to be able to answer is still about the border issue, there has to be a border between us and the EU, they don’t want it between NI and the South, and they don’t want it between mainland UK and Ireland, but it has to be one of them. you can’t leave the customs union and not have a border for customs checks.

    #1698242
    Wonderfuel Gas
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    I reckon you’d get a majority who would vote to rejoin/not leave and we can all get on with our lives nine.

    – This deal and no deal would split the leave vote about 25-75 in favour of no deal amongst those who want to leave come what May, ho ho.
    – Can’t imagine any remain voter changing their mind so that number would remain very similar ho ho.
    – It won’t be as many as you’d think but loads of people who voted leave must look at this sorry shambolic mess and think, oh bugger I’m not voting leave again.
    – Loads of leave voters will have died, some through old age and many through obesity.
    – How many young people will have turned 18 since the last one? That will boost the numbers by a million or two easily.
    – Lazy gets like my mate Vinnie who couldn’t be bothered voting last time as there’s “no way we’ll vote leave” and have subsequently seen their businesses go under might just get off their fucking arses this time.

    Dead easy. You put those three options on a national ballot form and I reckon you’ll see this:

    Remain as we are: 50%
    No deal: 40%
    May’s deal: 10% (Most will be from her own family)

    Then you have to address the 18 million people that feel/felt failed though…if politicians dont then I fear it will end up with some far right party arriving and becoming a success.

    #1698243

    nine nine nine
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    Pax, very few of those that voted in the referendum would have even considered the NI problem prior to voting.

    #1698250
    Wonderfuel Gas
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    If we go no deal though one of the chief Leave cheerleaders be that Mogg, Gove, Davis our god forbid Johnson has to lead the Government. Or Corbyn because he really wants out too, even if his Rabin fan base want in.

    Has to be led by someone who believes in it.

    #1698258

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    999 – Think you are dead right, I am surely no considered it, but then the politicians never highlighted that it would be a problem during the campaign.

    #1698263

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    WG – A leave supporter on this forum said that we could have a vote on the deal that included staying in because the leave vote would be split so it would be unfair. There is a very simple way to overcome that, you have the three options and if the two leave options added together come to over 50% of the vote we use the winning leave option, if stay gets over 50% of the vote then over 50% of the people in the country want to stay, so we stay.

    All democratic and fair. I think it is more to do with the fact leave voters realise that if only half the under 30’s that didn’t vote because they expected remain to win, actually voted this time then that alone would be enough to swing it to remain. It does make my laugh when people say 51.2% of the country want to leave. No 51.2% of the country that voted want to leave 🙂

    #1698272

    nine nine nine
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    Latest Sky poll: 54% prefer no Brexit, 32% prefer no deal Brexit, 14% prefer the draft Brexit agreement.

    #1698279

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    999 – Only surprise there is that it is only 54%, how is the poll being carried out?

    #1698288

    nine nine nine
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    Pax,Sky Data interviewed a nationally representative sample of 1,488 Sky customers via SMS on 15 November 2018. Data are weighted to the profile of the population.

    #1698533
    Luckydestiny
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    If we are persuaded to vote stay in a 2nd ref through fear of a no deal, all brought about by half hearted negotiations under a pro eu prime minister, and be told it was those who voted leave that were manipulated, I think democracy will be dead in this country, because if the majority of the voters are under hypnosis the elites will always get their way. I havent given up hope, but I have suspected since even before the first ref that if they dont get the result they want they will try and probably succeed in getting out of it.

    I always knew that the short term would be very hard after brexit(if it happened), i voted leave in spite of this because I am convinced in the long term brexit is not only better for me, but everyone of every ethnicity in this country, europe(but not the EU) and the world.

    Its so sad to see our government so weak, my Dad would hate me saying this but if only we had Thatcher in downing st right now.

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    The EU were never going to give us everything we asked for and I’m not sure whether any PM would have come back with too much more.

    Whatever was agreed was always going to flounder in the Commons given both main parties are as split as the Country and that’s before we get into all the problems associated with NI.

    The majority that voted in the referendum were just voting in or out without understanding the implications few if any understood the complications with NI for instance.

    This deal won’t get through Parliament and it’s now about where we go from here the EU have already stated they won’t negotiate further and a no deal Brexit would be massively problematical for the Country.

    I blame David Cameron!😊

    #1698543
    Luckydestiny
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    Cameron was just as half hearted in his negotiations with eu prior the ref as may has been with these negotions, I say half hearted because both achieved bugger all and both are pro eu. Yes the negotiations were always going to be tough, but made a hell of a lot harder when overseen by those who want the opposite of what they are supposedly negotiating for. Of course the task has been made more difficult by splits in the government, but if the government didnt hold us in contempt and instead united to deliver what was decided by a referendum and a general election that wouldnt be an issue either.

    A no deal is of course undesirable, but I find staying in the eu less desirable long term, and the deal proposed even less desirable than staying! .

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