Emery out.

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    stev2bath1
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    He will be out if he does not sort out a style and have a plan A. I don’t mind, in fact I like he is flexible but he is too flexible and no one knows his ideal line up. Its not just the players ballsing up, in the first half they were also dominant and until we scored which was against the run of play. He can’t legislate for stupid mistakes but its not just about that yesterday we were out played by the team bottom of the league! This is a knee jerk post but he will deserve the boot if we don’t make top 4 and get to the end of the season still with no Plan A.

    #1783155

    the bsm walk
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    Stev, I know what it looks like, it does look like a knee jerk post but believe me I have been saying this for a while but I didn’t put it on here as I was barely posting.

    He’s got to go for me…how much more time will it take to sort out deficiencies. I’m not asking for a title shot or trophies JUST SORT OUT THE BASIC FUNDAMENTALS.##

    Coach the bloody team, you’re paid to do it!

    #1783180
    AndyC
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    BSM – What if Emery is telling the players what to do and they are just incabpable of doing them? the midfielders that seem to lack the discipline are the ones that were here pr-emery. Guen seems to have adapted nicely under UE. we can all agree he has a strong start to the season, Ceballos seems to have fitted seamlessly. Then we come to Xhaka, Ozil, Kolasinac etc all players who were in teh wenger bubble of no responsibility. You just cant teach some players like they old saying says, you take a horse to water but you cant make it drink.

    I dont think its time to call for his head, we made some big improvements last season, looked to have run out of steam come April. He over achieved last year that cannot be denied. EL runners up against Chelsea who had a much stronger team all round than we did. We fluffed the 4th place, it wasnt because the others were better than us we capitulated season before they other teams were much better than us. 21 games unbeaten we’d never have seen that with Wenger in charge last year.
    This season was always going to be UE biggest season, the season in which you can truly judge him. If he doesnt make top 4 or win the EL then he has to go. the board know this hence why he only got a 2+1 contract.

    Jeff – we have people moaning that AMN plays RB then you yourself have just dug UE out for playing an actual RB against palace last year. I get it people are frustrated, we have the same players making the same mistakes over and over, they dont get dropped etc. i am frustrated as you mate, i hate seeing us capitulate in games but the players on the pitch need to own this, its their individual errors that are costing us. Sok, Luiz, Xhaka, AMN, Hulk, Mustafi they all need dropping and replacing but we dont have players to replace them with, not all of them anyway. His tactics are not that bad, but i repeat he can not control idiotic mistakes from players, that’s on them.

    My biggest gripe with him was playing Ozil, what a waste of space on the pitch and then play him wide left! wtf. that got me miffed. Play Nelson from the start it would have offered more balance.

    #1783184
    AndyC
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    Just wanted to to know that given this is an Emery out thread who would you have replace him?

    I’d like to see Allegri or Bielsa.

    Bielsa is spoken of highly by the likes of Klopp, Pep etc etc i think with our resources he could do a great job for us.

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    the specialone
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    BSM – I never said our opinions don’t matter,but i’d give much higher regard to those who watch,train and analyse these players and work with them closely everyday.Some of what you said is purely subjective,but I don’t want to go too much into that.Let’s stop beating the bush around all the other topics.This is about emery.

    The thing Is you’re treating Emery as a nobody.If you look at his career before he joined Arsenal,i think he has a good enough CV to manage a club like Arsenal.I can list all the things he’s achieved and the clubs he’s managed with the resources he’s had but I’ve already done it previously.If we had say a Henry,Viera or Ljunberg as manager then fans have every reason to doubt their management skills because in terms of managers they’re nobodies.

    If you were to carefully analyse our squad position by poistion.As I have,for me it’s still not better than Man united’s or even Chelsea’s.On top of that Emery has many complicated decisions to make.So how can you realistically expect him to finish in the top 4 or get sacked.

    Emery or any other manager can’t be judged until they have good enough players.We basically need 2 new defenders,2 new midfielders and a top class replacment for ozil.People think our squad is strong but it’s far from.While we’re at it,this blind faith in youngsters like willock and nelson which has never paid off even before has to stop.
    Emery deserves time with this terrible squad.Unless he massively underachieves such as finish outside the top 6 I wouldn’t point the finger at him.

    Saying that,If we continue to give performances such as yesterday,regardless of the personel it simply isn’t good enough and I won’t stand for it.

    #1783226

    stev2bath1
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    TSO I don’t believe you judge a manager on how good his players are. I think its the opposite Good managers make good teams with what they have. That will have his limitations but they make the best of what they have. I think you have to ask yourself at the moment, As good as you think Emery is, do you think someone else could do better with these players and at the moment I think the answer is yes! I want him to do better and hope he can get out of it but as we speak he is not getting the best out of what he has.

    #1783243

    Madmaxsdaddy
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    The reason why I think that Emery will go at the end of the season are these (unless of course he sorts them out). 1) Team plays with no identity. We’ve always had this in living memory. Graham’s teams had an identity, as did Wenger’s in its heyday (this wavered in the latter years but the board wouldn’t act). Emery seems to be 100% reactive at the moment with no Plan A let alone a Plan B (this is a shame because the 21 run unbeaten run suggested he was good at Plan B bit). 2) He cannot say he wasn’t backed in the transfer market. The squad is far from perfect but he has had an opportunity to address that. Apart from the obvious calamity players like Xhaka, Luiz, and Mustafi he’s had time to coach this team and get it better than it is (note I didn’t say perfect). Actually, apart from Mustafi (who really needs to f*ck off) both Xhaka and Luiz offer something to the team (I think Luiz is being exposed by a poor defence around him). With our front line this team SHOULD be good enough to secure Top4 on paper. 3) In relation to the Emery out – I posted last year that I did not think Emery was good enough to get us where we needed to be. Yes he is trophy winning but lets face it – so are many managers. His spell at Valencia was decent though you would argue that Valencia were a shoe in for third place. Won’t mention Spartak! At Sevilla, he regularly finished 5th or 7th (sound familiar). Yes, he won the Europe League but who actually cares? Let’s face it, none of you lot are interested in that trophy other than it is a route into Champions League. PSG is a club that should be winning Ligue 1 and he still managed to cock up that in one of the years he was there. Also, he certainly could not handle the player pressure. So, I reckon that Emery is at best a Europa League qualifying manager and, at the moment, he has a Europa League squad. 4) If we continue to throw away winning positions through inept, naive defending from players with lots of international experience (even Captains of their national teams!!!!), then you can bet your bottom dollar that Aubayang and Lcazette will be out at the end of the year. Why would they stay? 5) Finally, the board are now getting a bit more ruthless. He could be gone by Christmas.

    That’s it – I don’t Emery out, he is what he is, a slightly better than average manager. I’ve reset my expectations as to what we are as a team. a good run and other teams messing it up MIGHT get us TOP 4 but we certainly cannot compete regularly nor sustain any form of threat once we are in the competition.

    #1783283
    the specialone
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    Stev – You judge a manager both ways.You can’t say it’s a managers job to perform miracles with incapable players.Think of it,do you really think it’s the managers job if he is to be handed donkeys.

    A manager’s job is to get the best out of his players.Hasn’t emery done that?Didn’t auba finish as golden boot winner last season.Who has really gone worse under him.Can’t think of any.He has gotten the best out of both auba and lacazette.he’s developing guendozi but others are hopeless.You see what’s happening with him.He’s in a bad situation with the squad.It lacks balance.

    Ask yourself this question.If you were in his situation and were asked to finish in the top 4 with that squad or you’ll be sacked.Would you not find that unreasonable.Because if you would then you clearly haven’t analysed the squad well enough.I’ve told you,people see names like auba,laca and pepe and think we should finish in the top 4.A team isn’t made up of it’s strikeforce,there’s midfield and the defense.Which currently IMO are the worst I might’ve ever seen at the club and I’m sure you’ll will agree.

    As for your question about if there is someone else that can do better than emery?Sure.You hand me Guardiola,Klopp,Pocchetino and I’ll drive emery back to spain myself.But if you’re going to say names like Allegri etc.What standing does he have?He made a team win the league,who were clear favourites by a mile.Sure he won the title with Milan as well but at the time Milan’s squad was better than the rest.
    How is it any different than emery winning it with PSG?
    There are not many better “available” managers.If you think of any,let me know.

    #1783301

    stev2bath1
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    TSO its not about the individuals its the team performance. As of the end of last season and the start of this he has not got the best performances out of the team. Our team performances have been poor even taking into account the players. We have conceded 90 plus shots against, the highest in Europe this season and got out played at Watford. We don’t have a plan A and we don’t know his best 11. Alan Smith has been quoted saying the players are unsure confused on his tactics and their roles. That’s what it looks like and constant changing of formation and team is not working. I am not expecting Miracles and as I said I do like him and hope it works out but those are facts and I would be very surprised if anyone thinks that performances like yesterday are as good as it gets even with those players. It wont be about just getting someone better if this level of team performance carries on it will just be about him having failed. At this stage I just want to see a good team performance, not just defensively and some semi stability in tactics and the team.

    #1783862

    Jeff
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    There are rumours around that Rodgers and Arteta will be the next manager. When this might happen is anybody’s guess. I would not want Brenda nor the Sorcerer’s Apprentice. On Rodgers, why and is he so great? As for Arteta, no thank you. If the Board are really ambitious and the limit of their ambition is top four, do these individuals strike you as candidates to achieve that? My hope is Allegri as he would at least sort out our awful defence, but other blogs say he is waiting for vacancies at PSG, when they fail to win the CL again or United when they do their customary thing and sack a new manager at the end of the season.I have no idea if there is anyone who can do a job with so much dross to clear out and more funds needed to replace them.

    #1783931

    steve68
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    while i think it’s a bit premature to want emery out after 5 games
    but i can certainly understand some fans turning or those who never
    wanted him in the first place.i’m gonna see where we are come the
    new year but there are so many issues at the club thats for sure.
    defensively we are still very poor and emery picking xhaka has capt
    is a big mistake given the fact he doesn’t perform for us.

    we don’t seem to have a style of play or system that looks like getting
    results and if you take these few 5 games plus the last 9 of last
    season then the alarm bells are ringing.i can’t see the powers to be
    getting rid of emery till the end of the season at least.i’ll be honest
    and say i was 100% behind him during the summer but his tactics or lack
    of them are making me think 50/50 right now.ok,it’s not how you start
    a season but how you end it(last season ie) but if we don’t get top 4
    or a trophy then i do think emery should go.

    i believe in that saying “football is a simple game complicated by coaches”.
    emery needs to start picking his best 11 and not change the damn team and
    tactics all of the time.we are useless at pressing the ball and our
    defence & midfield are poor.one of the reasons i thought he was wrong
    in letting rambo go was we now have no midfield player who can make runs
    beyond our strikers taking defenders out and creating space for our
    better players.we look sterile and one dimentional.this passing out from
    the back crap as to stop.you can tell the players are not comfortable
    with it and it’s up to those to raise their voices too.we might get
    away with at home but must change when we are away.pressure is on emery
    now and rightly so.hope he’s not stubborn enough to change.

    #1784737

    the bsm walk
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    https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11670/11813153/ainsley-maitland-niles-im-still-learning-to-defend-admits-arsenal-utility-man

    I am the biggest critic of AMN but at least he’s honest. This is Emery’s fault for not getting a back up RB. He deemed AMN fit to be our back up, clearly by his own admission he’s not up to the task.

    #1784748
    Luckydestiny
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    Chelsea fan in peace.

    Hey guys I just wanted to mention a few things I wrote in a thread called “My fear for Luiz at Arsenal” on the chelsea pages just after you signed him. I truly believed he was bought to assist a change in system to a back 3 in order to accommodate auba, laca and pepe in the same team. I am amazed emery hasnt changed to be fair but I do respect him as a coach. This is a bit from my post (just changed mustafi from original post), just interested in what you guys think as actual Arsenal fans who know your team better than I do

    “I really hope Luiz is a liability for Arsenal, as he could be at times for us in a back 4. But after watching a few vids about the signing I am starting to worry that we could have handed Arsenal the missing piece of their puzzle this year, the puzzle being how they get Auba, Lacazette and Pepe in the same team without becoming even weaker defensively.

    The solution? the same one conte came up with in his first season with us (one imitated previously by emery at times at both PSG and Arsenal), the solution Luiz was so vital to.

    imo if Arsenal set up as below, they have the ability to give any team in the world a game:

    *************************Leno***********************
    ************Sokratis*****Luiz*****Holding***********
    Bellerin******Torreira*********Cabellos******Tierney
    *******Pepe********Lacazette********Aubamayang*****

    Sokratis and Holding are not world class centre backs, but if they only have to pick up their man and Luiz is sweeping up for them like he did for us then defensively they will be far more secure than last year.

    Torreira and Cabellos are a very good pairing for the midfield and Bellerin and Tierney are as perfect for the wing back roles as pretty much any players in the league.

    Then you have that front 3. Can you imagine going behind to this arsenal set up and trying to chase the game when they can allow all 3 forwards license to stay high and await countering opportunities?

    This whole system relies on them getting a cb capable of sweeping up and bringing the ball out of defence and being able to set up attacks from deep. Who better than someone who has won the premier league in this very role? And we gave him to them for 8m.”

    Any one here fancy that system when Tierney is fit?

    #1784752

    stev2bath1
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    I like it but although he has played it he does not seem to be a fan. He is quoted as saying that it gives to much control to the other team but at the moment, the way we are playing, I don’t think that’s possible. I would also play 352 xhaka tor and Ceb/Ozil the middle 3 with Aube and laca up front.

    #1784811

    muffler_1
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    We were scared against Watford and why?

    City scored 5 in 17 minutes now that is a team to be scared of

    #1784897
    the specialone
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    bsm – What nonsense.I get it emery deserves to be criticised for the performances but what AMN said there was cowardly and nothing short of throwing Emery under the bus.

    You have to remember both wenger and Emery have used him in that position.If 2 proffessional coaches think that then obviously it at the least means they think he has the attributes to play there.As opposed to the other back up options,AMN is good on the ball and does have pace.If I’m a proffessional footballer,and been coached to play in a position for more than 2 years I’m not going to come up with excuses that’s not my position just because I’m not performing well there.
    AMN says he’s still learning how to defend and he’d rather play in midfield or anywhere across the midfield.He does realise that you still need to be able to learn how to defend.And besides,Emery is not a manager,he cannot cherry pick players or whoever he wants,there’s a budget and the only reason we’ve been able to break the trasnfer record is because we’ve spread out the payment structure.

    It’s becoming clear as daylight that those who dislike Emery have a clear agenda on their mind and will just about blame him for everything from now on.

    PS- Now that amn has said that,if he gets one more start for the team Emery must take full responsibility.You can’t possibly start a player who’s passing on the responsibility.

    #1784914

    the bsm walk
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    Lmfao TSO, you don’t change, if what AMN was nothing more then cowardly how do you then go and defend Xhaka saying we were scared? Seriously? You’re beyond help.

    There is no agenda against Emery I call it as I see it. Didn’t we all ask Wenger to do more against oppositions who turn us over? All I’m asking for us to be more pragmatic and work on our weaknesses, any evidence to suggest it being done? Not for me. Yet we get battered by Watford and even Frankfurt let’s be real how many shots they had against us? The same Watford who got pounded by Citeh.

    Jesus Christ, you just have to think someone is against somebody on this forum all the time and you talk about scapegoats if Xhaka on here is a scapegoat you’re doing the same with AMN. Just let it go. BOTH players are not good enough to start for us end of.

    #1785000

    muffler_1
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    Well said bsm.

    To be fair he did want us to have Watfords defence instead.

    As for AMN he is starting today.

    #1785027
    the specialone
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    BSM – Nope,you’re the one that dosen’t changeI have no problem in you pragmatically criticising emery,with reason ofcourse.You go on to say “This is Emery’s fault for not getting a back up RB”.You are blaming him for everything.You want to ignore the fact that emery is merely a coach and not a manager like wenger was.He dosen’t have the final say in all transfers.And are you saying that a back up right back was offered and emery rejected?Atleast that’s what you’re insinuating when you say he’s to blame for not getting a back up right back.We all know that can’t possibly be true.You want to criticse emery’s tactics,that’s fine with me.

    But Using AMN’s excuse for his poor defending by saying atleast he’s honest to have a go at emery,yet again.So tommorrow if Xhaka comes out and says he dosen’t enjoy playing in that position is all forgiven?Get over it.these are proffessional players.You’re not asking a defender to play as a striker.You’re asking a player who has attributes to play in that position.

    #1785040

    muffler_1
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    Well Tso we are wide open today again already behind..

    So yes Emery does nothing to sort it out and thats the issue I have with him.

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