EU and the Current Government In Power

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  • #1033107

    SensibleS7
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    I had to smile at the earlier televison campaign on itv showing the little boy and how it would impact him on food prices going up if he opted out of the EU.

    Clearly, those two clowns in Cameron and Osborne along with their party have cooked this ‘potitical broadcast’ up.

    And apparently, house prices would fall – isn’t that a good thing for aspiring future buyers?

    The bottom line is in all fairness, that people will vote in what they see fit and how it will impact their own wellbeing and future.

    #1033149

    Mancity Jim
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    Ha I wondered if this topic would raise its head on here. FWIW I shall be voting out for the following reasons: Given a chance to remove some unelected politicians and bureaucracy I would jump at the chance. I don’t recall voting for any of the 28 commissioners, or the EU leaders Tusk, Shultz or Juncker? MEPs just rubber stamp the policies. I think uncontrolled immigration from EU countries is too much for our country, ONS figures are 240k and 260k EU citizens have immigrated to the UK the last two years. But these are just a guess as they don’t check people out only in. Strange how 1.2m new NI numbers have been issued to EU citizens in that time, so that’s probably closer to the true figure. Regardless of the strain it places on schools, hospitals and infrastructure, Too many people chasing less jobs leads to wage deflation, that is simple economics. Five years ago we advertised a graduate position and got probably 25% applicants from eu countries two months we advertised a similar job and I reckon the figure is now 60-70%. All these people are qualified, some experienced all driven and most will work for less money. I now worry about my children who will soon be in this job market. Cameron says we have a veto on Turkey joining, they are in negotiations to join at the moment, our vetos over past expansion has never been played, essentially because we can’t excerise it in reality against the will of the EU council. Big business loves the eu, with this kind of unlimited cheap Labour and the ability to move profits and transactions easily between countries. 98 out of the ftse100 companies use offshore tax havens and EU country tax dodges so no surprise they are in favour of remaining. As for Osbourne and Cameron I think they have been truly awful in this campaign with their shameful biased propaganda. I haven’t voted Tory since the eighties but will certainly never do so again. They have lent on the bank of England to say what they want, two years ago Carney never said a word about Scottish independence and the effect that would have on the UK economy, now he can’t shut up about a possible EU brexit and the financial havoc it would cause. Surely the former would be much more damaging to UK plc. Obama and the USA are only interested in TTIP which is a real worry, if we leave TTIP will cease to become a reality. I don’t think trade will change much as we import more from the eu than we export why would they cut their nose off to spite their face. If we do leave I think it will all come down like a pack of cards. The second biggest contributor will be too big a miss. £13 or £20 billion pa whatever the figure is! builds a hell of a lot of hospitals schools etc. Yep I’m for out but sadly expect the vote will be rigged or if close and a vote to leave they will have another. Come the revolution!! If only……Jim

    #1033251

    SensibleS7
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    Fantastic read Jim.

    At the end of the day, yes, immigrants have contributed and fairdinkum in them being able to generate their own businesses, but on the same level there are people out there claiming off the state and not only that, benefit from free healthcare.

    Over the last two decades have otherwise seen many of our industries in our country disintegrate at the hands of European Union states.

    Our labour market unlike previous decades hardly boasts examples of Manufacturing and Hosiery. How can people acquire sustainable employment and save for the future.

    Even with the offering of ‘help to buy’, the challenge in getting on that property ladder becomes increasingly harder.

    #1033308

    Mancity Jim
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    Just my take on it Nil, based on the stuff I have read up on and my own personal experiences.

    #1033320

    SensibleS7
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    I like it mate, that’s the thing and welcoming that there are people out there with a like-for-like mindset.

    Cheers

    #1033386
    banjo_chuckers
    banjo_chuckers
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    Although I don’t live in the UK I do live in the EU (Finland) so I think many of the issues that concern you lot are also applicable. I can’t speak for all Finn’s (can’t even speak Finnish! LOL!) but the general mood I would suggest is the same. Most Finn’s are sick to death of the EU and are questioning what is the point?

    I would say the migration issue has similar concerns, there have been reports of incidents in Helsinki similar to Germany concerning what refugees have been up to, maybe not to same same scale (too fooking cold for most of them!) and the nearest thing to a hard-core right wing party, called “True-Finns”, has been gaining grounds recently.

    If I could vote, I would certainly be voting “leave”, due to many of the reasons like-minded poster have already mentioned in this thread so I won’t bother repeating them, but basically the EU has become a jumble of non-elected nonsense. I don’t think the UK get out of it anywhere near what they put in it and quite simply why should we(you) be subsidizing other countries? Especially under the rule of non-elected career politicians simply riding a gravy train?

    I keep checking one-way flights to Australia or New Zealand personally and I don’t think Finland has it quite as bad as the UK… 🙂

    #1035926

    Disleksickerik
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    The politicians have been busy arguing their preference one way or the other but neither side impresses me, and quite frankly I’m sick of it. The more they say, the more I come to realise that they have completely lost sight of the ball. The question of whether we should stay in or get out of the EU has become insanely confused and over-complicated. It shouldn’t be so because it’s really quite straightforward. There is just one simple basic question you need to answer, and it’s this:- Who in their right mind is happy to keep their front door wide open and let further hoards of complete strangers come into their living room, put their feet up, watch TV and help themselves to the contents of the fridge?

    It’s a no-brainer for me, but sadly this extremely farcical and biased debate is bound to be ratcheted up right until the last minute to help secure an inevitable “yes” vote. Meanwhile our country’s values will continue to erode and slowly slide down the crapper simply because whoever you vote for in this green and pleasant land, you can always rely on one thing: One incompetent government after another will always get in and continue to overcomplicate everything and inevitably cock it all up.

    #1037258

    SensibleS7
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    Lively debate on the BBC (now).

    #1037309

    itsa-mans-game
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    Wow what the hell happened. I step away a while and Jim becomes a moderator ?

    Anyway Out all day for me and the TIPP trade agreement orchestrated by big business is a key reason.

    We are no ones bitch, so up the drawbridge, flood the Chunnel, rebuild the fleet and let’s be having you.

    #1037648

    Mancity Jim
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    Haha, sorry itsa, just for our page to stop Syd and one or two others posting his incessant drivel. The mudslinging and point scoring on the main pages continues unabated no doubt!?

    #1037669

    CM
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    What are the benefits of staying in the EU and what are the benefits of leaving the EU?

    #1037954
    banjo_chuckers
    banjo_chuckers
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    Benefits of leaving:
    1) Saving a ton of money that can be used to benefit British citizens
    2) Regaining control of just about everything.
    3) British Parliament working for Britain first and foremost.
    4) Annoying the hell out of the Frenchies and Jamrins! 🙂

    Benefits of staying:
    1) Err… somebody help me out here, I can’t think of any…

    #1038134

    SensibleS7
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    Blair coming into Power in 1997 shoulders so much blame with the immigration policy and allowing Britain to be involved in Afganistan.

    We’re too much involved in what goes on outside Britain and much of OUR money is used as aid or on weapons etc when the NHS and our public services for example to be prioritized along with building more housing.

    It sickens me when the johhny come lately youngster seeks claim to this country using “we helped built this city to what it is now”.

    I have no problem with immigration when the country was the way it was around 1990. Now you simply don’t recognize your own geographical habitat.

    Leicester’s absolutely swamped with a multi-national society and the overall figures are staggering, yet more and more nations want to be part of the EU putting our health services to even more strain.

    We need back our power to say NO.

    #1039502

    SensibleS7
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    The 350 million that apparently would cost the UK as well as House Prices shooting down in value if we were to VOTE leave this evening is reported as a pack of lies.

    Cameron, Osborne and his cronies should be condemned and be kick out along with their entire party with immediate effect.

    Fraudsters. Why the big question are BritishBlood siding with EU?????????????????????

    What’s in it for them.

    Why LIE?

    #1039544

    itsa-mans-game
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    Ever since the Germanics populated our blessed aisle, we have always been a diverse race with diverse views and multicultural history.

    But apparently being British means fuck all that and let’s pretend it never happened and we are of pure blood.

    Embrace the fact that we live in a diverse world but also recognise that we need to manage our country within its own means. I’m leaning toward OUT but with an Australian view that allows for a level of migration.

    #1039550

    itsa-mans-game
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    Nil, all politicians cannot be trusted mate

    #1039553

    SensibleS7
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    I’ve learned Itsa mate – the hard way.

    Blair was a nasty piece of work and it makes me think his acions were personal towards Thatcher.

    Why are the examples in the cities of Liverpool and Manchester persisting with Labour?

    Sod them; they’re waste of time.

    #1039562

    CM
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    What happened to truefootyfan Itsa?

    #1039628

    Mancity Jim
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    Exactly itsa, immigration is undoubtedly a good thing but it needs to be controlled, why have unlimited immigration from some countries that we have few if any cultural or historic ties to such as Romania, Bulgaria etc but limit and discriminate against people from commonwealth countries such as Australia, Nigeria, Kenya, Canada, India etc etc. Doesn’t make sense to me. People should be judged on their merits with regards to immigration and not a carte blance free for all just because of some unelected europhiles utopian whim imo.

    #1039631

    Mancity Jim
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    Trufooty, now there’s a blast from the past!

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