European super league

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    The Fulcrum
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    There has been talk of this for a long time now but never really thought it was close to being more than just talk or a bargaining chip on Champions league restructure. But it looks like there may be a real possibility of this happening, and relatively soon. Got to be honest I’m more than a bit concerned. Agents, obsence money and var have already altered the game in hugely negative ways. Could be being a little dramatic here but are we entering a point of no return where teams are just franchises and sold and moved around the world. I dont mind change per say but have never seen change that is solely motivated by greed end well.

    #1944440

    redsforever
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    Its a stupid idea driven by greed. I hope it will never see the light of day.

    #1944460

    Sean the sailor
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    Totally agree reds forever

    #1944463
    threeps
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    Total greed and if you’ve not read Neville’s respons I’d suggest you do he’s spot on. If this went ahead I’d walk away from supporting the team.

    #1944485

    shaunk
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    This would break football

    #1944495

    NotoriousBingo
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    It might be a good thing, i don’t care one bit for FIFA or UEFA, both are corrupt as default and they don’t give a damn about the players… its all about the money and right now they are scared about losing their monopoly… Hence the threats

    #1944505
    The Fulcrum
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    It’s a pretty big gamble isn’t it. I mean UEFA were making a balls of reorganising the champions league. And then theres international football which is all over the shop even without the nations league. Then the premier league division of income and the congested league cup and fa cup fixtures, have all needed addressing. But a ‘super league’ that you don’t have to qualify for or can’t get relegated from is just pants.
    It also seems that these big 6 seem to have forgotten that they are only big because of the fans……take away the fans and your businesses are worth nothing. So why are the fans being treated with such contempt in all this? Even if it does turn out to be posturing, the fans, yep those guys who ultimately pay for everything, are in the dark while billionaires are holding football ransom.

    #1944508

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    I wouldn’t call it a gamble, I figured something was up some years ago…

    There was no way SKY or any other company could dictate the terms of the next tv-deal…

    Over congested fixtures is what we get from fifa and uefa, they are also corrupt to the bone…

    I dont mind a new format where the very best of Europe compete week in week out… I’d rather see Barcelona than Stoke mate…

    #1944514
    Razor
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    On the 1 hand, I don’t approve of a Super League at all. I think that big games of this magnitude should come by a few times a season, instead of every week. If not, they don’t feel like big games. The next thing is that no relegation is a shit idea and is 1 of the things that helped kill the league in Singapore. On the other hand, I think the PL & UEFA TOTALLY DESERVE IT. Bunch of fucking wankers would much rather keep the wealth for themselves, overload the football schedule and see the football league go out of business than to provide adequate long-term solutions for smaller clubs to stay in business and to protect the cup competitions. Talk about hypocritical. I’m not entirely opposed to a Super League. I just think that it should run concurrently to the CL & regular league seasons with adjustments made to those, cup competitions & international games to accommodate the number of games required and maybe being played once every 4 years or something. The whole problem here is that everyone who isn’t making money out of this is just condemning any new ideas instead of working to find proper solutions. The whole system is corrupted to the core.

    #1944515

    NotoriousBingo
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    Its the end of very corrupt era in football, or could be…

    #1944516

    redsforever
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    In tweets posted by The Athletic’s Liverpool reporter, Klopp said: ‘I hope this Super League will never happen. With the way the Champions League is now running, football has a great product, even with the Europa League.

    ‘For me, the Champions League is the Super League, in which you do not always end up playing against the same teams.

    ‘Why should we create a system where Liverpool faces Real Madrid for 10 straight years? Who wants to see that every year?’

    #1944517
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    Good or bad no idea at the minute but I can’t stand the hypocrisy of sky sports who have been ripping fans off for years. Was it not 15£ to watch a game a few months ago? Carra & Nevile must do thier jobs for free? They are all greedy cunts the likes sky sports will pay dop dollar to broadcast the super league & those charlatans will happily commentat or be a pundit so don’t be fooled in thinking they speak for you.
    Capitalism took over football long ago and what are seeing is the logical developments of the system. It may be wrong but that’s thr truth.

    #1944520
    Razor
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    Just listened to Neville’s take on this and I’ve never seen a more melodramatic display of white knighting in my life and a very very weak attempt to put LFC down when Manure’s own man is vice-president of this new league. Pathetic knob spouting absolute bullshit. There’s absolutely no substance to anything he’s said other than he’s upset about it. Why is he upset about it? Because he’s jumping on the fucking media bandwagon. In all of this, everything being posted by media outlets all say the same thing. “Hurting the game and the fans”. “Bad for the game”. “Elitist”. “Greed”. They are all just getting indignant with no real argument at all because they’re afraid of losing money from mooching off big clubs. Let’s see them try to ban ALL the big clubs and see the state that leaves football in. Absolute rubbish from Neville.

    Lets look at the facts. The PL have wanted to increase the number of games for years. UEFA are going to increase the number of games in the CL. FIFA have increase the number of international games that are being played all while not giving 2 fucks about player welfare. All the while, the players from big clubs generally are the ones who are forced to play these additional games while these corporations benefit the most from the TV money. If all these organizations are so concerned about the fans, where the fuck were they when Sky and BT were ripping people off? The big clubs are the ones who’ll feel the effects of this the most yet not only do they not have a proper say in where their money goes, they have to play more games so other clubs who have the whole week off all season can benefit. All the while, have the PL even looked at the needs of the EFL? Parachute payments are still a thing instead of that money being distributed evenly down the leagues to help with the Covid situation and for the overall competitiveness of the lower leagues. No solutions have been proposed at all to protect football clubs during the pandemic. As far as I know, the Super League proposes to not just give the founding 15 clubs 3.5 billion euros to cope with the fallout from the pandemic but a further 10 billion euros for other clubs to deal with the pandemic as well, a point that is conveniently glossed over by media shite like Neville. This whole thing is done to provoke a reaction for the PL and UEFA because they’re just sitting on their arses and comfortably taking money. They need to be forced to the negotiating table at least for the good of all football.

    #1944533

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    Razor, to be fair, carragher murphy alex ferguson have also criticised the super league. Not just neville.

    Danny Murphy said hes disgusted by the greed behind the super league. Are you gonna call him a media shite too?

    https://www.google.com.my/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/football/56796391.amp

    #1944535

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    This super league idea is total rubbish, and I hope it fails, just like the ill-thought Project Big Picture.

    The worst thing about this idea is that it will kill off competition, ignores the true traditions of football, and eliminates the excitement and unpredictability that makes football so great, and the biggest sport in the world.

    Crucially, clubs that compete in it face the threat of being kicked out of their
    domestic leagues, so if that happens, imagine the PL without the Top 6, destroying a league that’s existed since 1888 (initially as the First Division) – that’s totally insane.

    The massive unanimous opposition from all quarters to this idea, including fans, players, managers and even big clubs like Bayern, just shows you how flawed this concept is.

    Of course, this idea is driven by greed, so the big clubs (and leagues) just have to find another way to make more money, not via this ridiculous idea

    #1944564
    Razor
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    reds.. The problem is that there’s greed behind the decision not to support the super league. I’m not saying the super league is a good idea, because it isn’t. But there are several valid issues there that the governing bodies in football are refusing to address. Distribution of wealth to the lower leagues in particular is a big one. The number of games is another. The price that fans are being charged to watch their favorite teams. Organizations like Sky or BT have absolutely no right to claim that they’re upset on behalf of the fans and anyone who works for those organizations and does are, in my eyes, media shite. The big issue here is that the PL, UEFA etc. are claiming greed on the part of the super league but in reality, they’re continually thinking up more and more ways of making money for themselves at the detriment of football clubs and players in general and I’m not just referring to the big clubs either. Something needs to be done because these organizations are going about their business unregulated and taking advantage of the situation to line their own pockets while claiming that anything that opposes them is doing the same. It’s hypocrisy at its finest. If this forces them to the negotiating table then it’s an absolute win.

    #1944587

    redsforever
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    Whatever problems there are now, the super league is not the answer.

    #1944595

    gingerlfc
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    Exactly!
    Criticising current issues does not negate any criticisms of this proposed plan.

    #1944596

    Songman
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    Of course UEFA, FIFA and Sky are greedy and corrupt, but the Super League is 100% not the answer.

    I am a self-employed investor, and when I saw that JP Morgan (whom I worked for a few years ago) is financing this stupid idea, I realised that no way in a million years can a ruthless investment bank be allowed to destroy the traditions of English football, or even control a football tournament.

    This is the best league in the world, and in fact a cultural icon for England, and it must be preserved.

    A ruthless investment bank will only do this deal if they are benefitting to a massive extent, with any deal massively geared massively in their favour. Not only that, they are masters of financial wizardry and trickery, using leverage and complex, opaque instruments, with any fallout left to the gullible parties involved.

    They must be stopped at all costs

    #1944597
    AK
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    I’ll be honest I am not sure if this is a good idea but the big issue is the lack of competition if the founder clubs stay in regardless of league position is a joke. On the other hand how is this a threat to the prem or is it a threat to the CL which is ever expanding? What we need is someone to explain the proposal impartiality without getting angry for the camera. I agree with Razor sky & bt have no right to play the moral high ground.

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