European super league

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  • #1946334

    Songman
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    The other day that naive, hypocrite Carragher demanded that FSG should get out of Liverpool. Meanwhile his hysterical mate Neville, aimed cheap shots at Liverpool and our slogan YNWA, before being rightly called out on TV by Klopp.

    All the while Sky was celebrating in the background, pretending to be outraged at this SL, while deliriously happy that DAZN will never profit from it, and usurp them. Plus giving SL opposition the maximum coverage making it an excellent PR boost for them.

    Never heard such rubbish in my life from Carragher, a pampered, highly overpaid pundit who is not living in the real world.

    Reality check, FSG are going nowhere, and are quite possibly the best owners we have had in the modern era, all things considered. They can sort out any mistakes they have made, and we move forward – to be honest, in future if they initially consult the likes of Dalglish, Klopp and Gerrard where relevant, it could spare them a lot of grief.

    Time to move on, and focus on success on the pitch

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    “to be honest, in future if they initially consult the likes of Dalglish, Klopp and Gerrard where relevant, it could spare them a lot of grief.”

    Exactly!
    How hard would that be?!
    Dalglish is a non executive director.
    Klopp, the manager and driving force behind our resurgence.
    Tony Barrett is paid as the Head of Club and Supporter Engagement.
    Talk to them. They’re clued into the football side of things.

    #1946345

    gingerlfc
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    More and more calls for fans having a greater say in the running of their clubs.
    A govt sponsored fan-led review. Who knows what will come of it?!

    Government announce review into how football clubs are run

    #1946361

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    Ducking too little too late if you ask me. Glazers and H&G spring to mind and we are without doubt the 2 more at successful clubs in England.

    #1946515
    MrMakaveli
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    “McDonalds, that the fans are just the same as a customer then your as big an idiot as that fuckwit above.”

    Ginger, again just goes nasty when he can’t think his way out of a simple scenario. I dunno why you are so agitated, the masses agree with you. Perhaps you need a holiday. I mean, getting personal with people for no reason is a good escape, don’t get me wrong but you could do with getting away from that too 😉

    Seriously though, Razor… Some top notch posts again. Point after point, all solid. I will say though that I have no issue with supporters clubs that own a decent share in the club, being in on things. It is a business first though and I knew that lovely guy would gobble up my McDonalds but like it or not, reality says it’s a business first. heart and soul do not invade business structure. To think otherwise, is to unironically call someone of the opposing opinion, “out of touch” and look clever.

    I do hope for a future where differing opinion can be given and received on here. It is what we’re here for.

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    MrMakaveli
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    Fulcrum, a very measured post @ April 23, 2021 at 7:31 am

    I didnt have this cooling off period, as I was hard-focused on what I hoped would be an upset to the current regimes. I think while most of you were relieved to see the SL bid collapse so quickly, I was disappointed. That isnt to say I want a SL where there is no relegation etc, I don’t. I am however is support of a move forward that doesn’t “Americanize” football, in this or some other ways.

    My main thing though is that I’d like to see a separation or correction of FIFA/UEFA governance. I think it would be good for the sport to have those bodies finally realise that they have got to get it together, or just GTFO.

    The SL collapsing so quickly really didn’t help us at all, in my opinion. The manner of it will embolden the already overly cocky. Sky’s reaction, as you already know… just rubbed me the wrong way and if Carra really has come out saying that FSG should leave then I’m done with him. He’s just a Sky whore who’s looking after his own interests, instead of the clubs.. which is bloody ironic really.

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    MrMakaveli
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    “Meanwhile all the attention has been diverted away from the pressing issues in the game. ”

    This is my main issue with it. It’s such a sensitive topic that you can’t raise aspects of it, without immediately being labelled as X. In this scenario, it would be “Pro SL”. This will annoy my new favourite poster here and absolutely not by intention but this is a bit like the old Hendo debate. You cant hope for real discussion when looking at entrenched positions, right or wrong.

    Sky havent mentioned the things that we might benefit from a rivalry or a SL that wasnt awful, because that doesnt suit their financial interests. FSG and co were also following their financial interests but they don’t own sports media.. The thing that disapoints me most though is that we didnt hear nthe more complex diagnosis or discussion from other media forms that were not really in play, so to speak. if some did, I’d love to hear it. I;ve heard some really good discussion from just a few, single individuals and ZILTCH from anywhere else. This is alarming but in a way it also shows the importance of forums.

    “Never heard such rubbish in my life from Carragher, a pampered, highly overpaid pundit who is not living in the real world. ”

    Carra and Neville are trash media puppets. They’ve really shown themselves up here but because everyone is so annoyed at the clubs, they’ll get away with it scott free.

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    threeps
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    I really do not understand why everyone is going on about bloody sky. We all know they are out for themselves, how is that relevant to the effects a closed CL would have on football integrity? I am dead against the SL and I don’t even watch UK sky! Forget Sky, Carra and Neville and if they annoy you so much turn it off.

    When do we start a debate on the new CL format? Another crap idea IMO.

    #1946565

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    Think because they came out of it looking like the good guys. I’m sure the execs at Sky will see it as an opportunity to keep their stranglehold on football with the help of FIFA and UEFA. The SL was a close call for them and they will take steps to nip any further threat in the bud while putting on the mantle of the knight.

    #1946620
    MrMakaveli
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    Exactly. They were acting all high and mighty, whilst being as bad an offender against the sport as anyone. If you don’t think the points/discussion above are not valid then fair enough, not everyone will.

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    marasso
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    How LFC could walk hand in hand with this piece of shit perez

    #1946942
    MrMakaveli
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    Ya, he’s loving the whole “Haha! now you’re as shit as us!” thing, for some reason. Thing is, I think most people will expect us to bounce back next season, assuming Klopp stays of course. 99.99% he will be here next season, can’t say the same for quite a few players but the ones who remain or come back from injury, will reset and go all out next term. Unfortunately, it won’t involve the CL, but this can be something for them to get angry about.

    #1946992
    threeps
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    Thing is Mak I’m fairly sure everyone agrees with you regarding Sky, same with agreeing with Bingo that the governing bodies are corrupt. I just don’t see it as a relevant counter argument in favour of the SL, I don’t see the direct connection.

    Pèrez ain’t letting go is he? Sounding a little desperate now saying the others are contracturally obliged to the SL.

    #1947243

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    Threeps, forget about the Super League… Its just a bargaining chip for the clubs really against UEFA and FIFA…

    We don´t need to break up any competitions if the federations work with the clubs but I don´t think there is much willingness to do that…

    I think is a 97% probability that the big clubs will refuse to sign another TV-deal, unless we reformat the whole competition… Like 36 teams in the Champions League will favour every league with 18 teams so why not restructure the domestic leagues to accommodate that…

    I really like what Moyes talked about today about the Scottish clubs, why not make a domestic league for the whole of Britain in a 18 league format…

    Every time the game has evolved it has benefited the game, the only thing that has really fucked the game is the corporation side of it… The football pyramid that everyone thinks they can climb but its not possible because the whole regulation of money in the game always benefits the top…

    They get the most money, in the golden years of Liverpool FC we bankrolled the highest wage budget, we bankrolled the highest transfer fees and set world records in the market, it wasn´t until we were banned from Europe that the club had a slump…

    I would much rather see us competing against similar clubs in stature than Burnley or Stoke… Clubs that have big stadiums, that have a big budget for players, teams that are not happy with sitting inside their own box for 89 minutes… Take part in the cup competitions, give them a real appeal again…

    In the Champions League I actually get upset if we don´t draw Barcelona, Madrid, Bayern, Juventus or any of the other big clubs cause I want to see how we compete against the very top… I want more games like that and usually we do better if we draw the big teams, Anfield is such a fortress because of the fans…

    We can´t betray them but most fans will realise that a bigger competition super league like the will mean more glory if we give them time, not single fan will be happy with playing in the domestic league if we can be playing in a bigger league…

    But the format was wrong, its a closed league without relegation and I think its a pussy move by the clubs… Wanting guaranteed money instead of actually competing for it…

    You all took me as I was in for the Super League but I had not actually thought that much about the format, what I was in for was progress, what I liked about the idea is bigger games but I really don´t want a closed league… I want a European Super League but I want every club in Europe being able to participate cause why not? We can cut all quotas on home grown players and such in that league, just be able to build the best side ever without any outside interference…

    We would not have to allow SKY to dictate the fixture list or ruin a clubs season by making them play 3 or 4 games a week… Which by the way they are taking bets on! That should be illegal! Cause they are allowed to influence the league outcome and profit on it! WTF is wrong and the FA in England signed up for it because they are as corrupt as the rest!

    #1947245
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    ” I just don’t see it as a relevant counter argument in favour of the SL, I don’t see the direct connection.”

    Well, I don’t think either are a direct argument in favour of SL. I am certainly not in favour of it in this format and TBH, I’d kinda hate to leave the CL behind at all really but it’s nice to see these entities with their feathers ruffled.

    These things are merely elements of the discussion, rather than positions for or against.

    As for Perez, well he does sound awfully desperate now. I’d have said that might not have seen the end of SL but I don’t think Henry would come out apologizing, if he intended to back-track. If we see SL again this or next year, I think it’ll be heavily modified (to include qualification/relegation of some sort).

    #1948309

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    I think we will be singing another story about this next season, with more and more fans coming onto the idea, with the pandemic happening the lower leagues are being bankrupt. Most clubs there rely on matchday revenue and they are not getting any and the FA is not doing enough to cover the costs…

    The big clubs have now had two proposals shut down, meanwhile the FA and UEFA have not anything except the latter with demanding more games without considering the effects on the players or the fixture list in the domestic leagues…

    So basically the big clubs have to play more games to cover the costs but I doubt it will be enough, I reckon we will see a unheard of amount of clubs heading for bankruptcy next season…

    The lower leagues will demand that FA does something and they will eventually be forced to consider a European Super League with a relegation system! Or UEFA will have to cough up about 6 billion dollars, which is what the Super League is supposed to generate right away…

    You could restructure the leagues, take up any format between 16-24 clubs, redistribute the money and without the big clubs hogging up most of the TV-money the money would go first hand to the smaller clubs…

    With the blessing of the FA SKY would need to honour their deal with the Premier League and keep paying everyone but the big six would not have any claim for any money except for this season or next season, depending on when they would break away…

    I think the Super League would be a great league for about 24 clubs to start with and we could have a very exciting knockout to reach it with at least 4 clubs relegated each season and Anfield is the perfect fortress to dominate it! There is nothing like Anfield roaring on a European night, I would love one of those every week…

    We could have a number of ways to reach the leagues, knockout competition between the league winners around Europe, knockout competition for teams from South America… We could restructure the Champions League for that, have it more of cup than a league…

    And talking about cups, everybody would need to still compete in the Cups, imagine having non-league team playing against super stars from the Super League 😀 thats just too good to skip it!!! That would give the cups a new charm!!!

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    Razor
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    #1955054

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    Yes i really wonder what the fa proposes to do when roughly half of the lower league clubs enter administration…

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