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    stev2bath1
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    TSO you are so off the Mark as usual. Back to Edu bollocks again and White was a waste and now all the signings were shit ! The only thing you got right is we are shite!

    #2027772
    foxyfoxes
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    I didn’t really see much different tactically in this game. Arteta seems to be convinced you guys can sit back and defend a lead. Your defence, I think is actually really good and Ramsdale has probably been the signing of the season (even the equaliser he got a hand on the Gray shot), but your midfield just keeps inviting pressure on your back four to the point that it becomes impossible for them to deal with it. Sure, you don’t have the players to be a top 6 team, but your manager really does you no favours with those tactics.

    #2027774
    the specialone
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    Stev – You really are a gift to this forum You know that.Mr.positive.

    A couple of weeks ago you came on here accused where posters go missing when we beat mid-table/Relegation zone teams.And I told you that I don’t like to celebrate absolutely Unimportant victories in context.
    I also told you – And I can literally just copy paste my post if you’d like.That the next few games – Liverpool,Everton and Man united away will be our real and major tests and will test the true strength and character of this side.I also said I wouldn’t mind taking away draws in atleast two of them.I challenged for this side to prove I’m wrong about my judgement.
    Fast forward a few weeks, we’ve lost all three games conceding 9 goals.An average of 3 per game.Worst part, we actually took leads in two of those games which is a good advantage ask any top manager.
    I got proved right again.

    I don’t get your obsession with young talent.What just because you think A player like Ben White is young he should be “Protected”.Utter nonsense.I said when we signed him he’s the player I’d most like to succeed.But I can’t pretend that he’s a good signing.He’s poor.He’s slow.He lets defenders run at him.He’s suppose to be a good ball playing defender but all I see him do is sideways and backward passes.He dsoent’ start attacks.
    Take your blinders off.I don’t know how he’s going to turn out in the future but I can only pass my judgement on what I’ve seen of him until now and that’s is he’s NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
    Tomiyasu as well, nothing but a Panic buy.

    It irks me this club forked out 67m on these two defenders.I mean these three games were chances to prove their worth but they failed miserably.Ofcourse you will make some pathetic excuse for them.

    Now don’t accuse where we are if we win our next game which we most likely will.
    Beating Southampton at home is not a cause for celebration.
    I’ve seen all I could in the past few weeks and that’s this squad clearly and utterly lacks quality.You can change as many managers you like the fact remains these players are nowhere near good enough.

    Beating a mid table side is nothing but a false dawn.These past few games have shown this side’s lack of capabilities.It’s really spoilt my mood now.I’m not going to get carried away like you.

    #2027775

    stev2bath1
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    Not sure how any of what I said was positive about tonight?
    Our squad is not perfect and I only expect Arteta to get the best out of what he has. He has not been doing that at the moment. He himself said no excuses this season. He signed this team. If results and performances don’t improve he will be sacked and he will deserve it.

    #2027777
    the specialone
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    My problem is you defend Poor players and give them the benefit of doubt just because they are young.You’re basically giving them preferential treatment which is quite unfair.Ben white being a prime example.You don’t want him to fail neither do I.But he’s shown in the past few games he’s not upto the mark when it matters.Even Tomiyasu for that matter.I’ll tell you what,I suggest you go and analyse all the goals we’ve conceded against the three teams I’ve mentioned.Just see what Ben White and Tomiyasu have been responsible for most of them.A player doesn’t have to make a blatant mistake to deserve criticism.Him not closing down a defender, or letting a cross into the box when that player is your responsibility is just as bad.

    Where Arteta is concerned.I don’t have any reason to defend him and I’m not.I think this is his worst season of the two and half he’s been here.He’s got it horribly wrong over the summer where recruitment is concerned and now he’s paying the price of that.On top of that,He’s trying to implement a play out the back style which these players are not capable of.He’s changed the formation three times which points to instability and uncertainty over what he really wants.
    Having said all of this,Unlike the majority who’ve been proved wrong on two previous occasions and sadly they won’t admit it because of their ego.
    I’m not going to ask for Arteta to be sacked.The problems run deep within this club.The players remain the same.So a new manager his not going to do much better.Actually in my opinion he will do worse.
    That is what fans don’t seem to understand.

    Lastly,as per your statement he’s not getting the best out of what he has.I don’t know in what context you mean this.Yes even I believe he should change the formation to a 3 at the back and make us a counter attacking team.But if you believe these players are good enough or we should be higher up the table you’re living in cuckoo land.
    Ironically,we are exactly where we’re supposed to be in the table.All the teams above us have better squads.
    Just because we spent 150m don’t be fooled.We’ve spent It on dross.

    #2027778
    The Oracle
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    It’s funny that FoxyFoxes a Leicester fan can come on here and some the situation up in a few words whilst we get a series of nonsensical unintelligible ramblings that couldn’t be more lacking in knowledge or understanding if they were written by an escapee from an asylum. Our defence was and is the best unit within the team, all 5 had reasonable games but they were let down yet again by Arteta’s negative tactics and the two useless articles standing like waxworks dummies in front of them. Partey & Xhaka we’re both and are both useless, time and time again they gave the ball away or were caught in possession putting pressure on the defence, Martinelli and Saka were too wide and Odegaard our best player isolated. Was Lacazette even on the pitch. Before every game I highlight 3 things Team Selection, Tactics, Attitude. In every game Arteta gets all 3 wrong. AMN and Lokonga should have played instead of those two Carthorses. Those two and Arteta cost us that game, I’ve read 3 newspapers this morning and they all highlight the inadequacies of those two giving them low marks. Arteta has to go.

    #2027779

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    As I said Arteta would turn Everton bad streak around. He is a gift to other teams more than to us.

    The main problem for me is that he does not know what a good player is and for that reason alone he is not able to rebuild the team. Any penny that has been spent by him has not gone towards one single star player.

    Is the team better than before well slightly but when spending £200m you expect more than slighly.

    Theres is no point in sacking him now because there are no longer any great managers available unless they pay up.

    #2027847
    the specialone
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    Muffler – I disagree with a part of your Post.After every game we’ve lost,espescially last night Arteta has come out and held his hands up in the air and is atleast acknowledging that the performance is not good enough.He could’ve used Ben Godfrey incident excuse but chose to speak little about it.He could’ve used Auba and Nketiah’s name who were both his subs(Yes puzzling for us) but the fact remains both of them missed absolute sitters.
    He realises the performance overall wasn’t good enough and clearly mentions that.
    So I don’t think there is a level of delusion in him.

    Having said that, from what I’ve seen till now I can say he is terrible at squad management.He had a decent budget over the summer.Yet he decided to waste most of it on a 50m Unproven defender who’s recently proved he’s not the answer.He made a 17m panic buy on the last day because our first choice defender wanted to fulfil his dream playing for Betis.Not to mention on a player who naturally isn’t even a right back.
    He splashed out 20m upwards on an unproven youngster only because he was hyped in Belgium.
    His obsession of trusting Young,Unproven players just because they have “Potential” has come back to bite him.It’s not only a lesson for him but also for the club to absolutely and forever ditch this nonsensical policy.

    Keeping aside Arteta for a moment,I think a lot of people also do’t realise how poor this squad really is.I mean forget Arteta is our manager, imagine some other manager taking care of this squad.
    He would have to deal with an off form captain who had to be dropped.Replaced by two strikers who are most definitely leaving in the summer.Behind the strikers are young,Inexpereinced players.The same thing in defence.
    Let me put it another way – In context it’s bad that we ended an off form Everton’s losing streak.
    However,In hindsight are people really surprised?Let’s compare our players with theirs.They have as much if not more quality than us.
    Pickford(Debatable),Coleman,Keane,Allan,Doucoure,Richarlison,DCL would all walk into our side.
    If we had to combine sides purely based on the kind of form they are on this season(they’d have more players than us).

    #2027866

    muffler_1
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    I never said Arteta is not taking accountabillity he does so yes he can see on the total performance If its good or bad. But not on player level remember Willian complete muppet in 20 games still played.

    But that has nothing to do with my post.

    Im saying he does not know a good player from a bad one when he buys one or keeps one. He does not have a good track record on anything here. He is responsible for a rebuild and he is not good at it.

    Its not a surprise he ended Evertons bad streak he does this 9 out of 10 times when facing such a team. He almost goes out to beat every bad record there is out there.

    As for our strike force they are on piss form so on that a new one will struggle as well but they were not good enough in the summer and we did not adress it.

    #2027978

    Jeff
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    Where is the long or even medium term planning at the club? We have a captain and main striker who seems to have Ozil’s disease, i.e. down tools when he gets a fat contract/ does not rate the manager. We have Lacazette, who if rumours are to be believed, has been sounded out by Barcelona ( makes you wonder what that club is smoking), but in any event, seems to be trading water and not getting involved as that might jeopardise his “exciting new project”. Finally, we see Nketiah play on the left, but as he showed again last night, misses simple and key chances in the Premiership. These last two want to leave Arsenal, so do they have the motivation to play to their best? From what little we have seen of him ( forget Brentford as all were awful that day), the signs are we want to keep Balogun. Why do we then plan to send him on loan next month? Would he, even at this early stage in his career, offer more than Lacazette and Nketiah. What are our options up front when Aubameyang leaves for the AFCON and now it seems, Martinelli might be out with a hamstring injury. Perhaps this genius coach plans to use Pepe up top?! I jest as that player must know his time is up as he was superseded by Eddie last night. Finally, in midfield, Arteta said that he’s been very impressed by AMN and that faith was repaid when he played against Leeds in the League Cup. He wasn’t on the bench even last night, yet Xhaka was trusted to play and was his usual pitiful self. Arteta said that Xhaka is a “very important player and we’re very glad to have him back!”. With thinking like that, we’ll be lucky to finish even 8th, which is the norm for Arteta.

    #2028036
    the specialone
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    Actually,we did try to address it in the summer.It’s public knowledge we bid for Lautaro Martinez.Now I don’t know why that deal didn’t matearialize.Either because we couldn’t offload Auba/Laca or Lautaro didn’t fancy us.
    Either way, Arteta was clearly aware that we needed a striker but at the end of the day we didn’t buy one because the useless Edu couldn’t offload any of our strikers.

    Now Arteta is stuck with Auba/laca.There is hardly any dimension.What if we want to put crosses into the box?Who’s going to head it.
    As for Nketiah,Are we all going to ignore this is yet another young talented player who’s going to go for Zilch.Unacceptable.
    I know a lot of fans are disappointed with him but the truth is he dosen’t get enough opportunities and the chances that he misses you can’t lambast him forever for not scoring in the half hour he gets a chance once in ten games.
    I do think there’s a talented striker.Youngest top scorer for England u21.
    Let’s see,Chelsea sold Abraham who was never going to play for them for close to 40m.
    We are getting zero for Nketiah.
    This is the difference between the two clubs.For me he’s a 25m players atleast.Some of you may not agree with the chance he misses yesterday but in hindsight you will.

    #2028056

    Jeff
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    TSO- have you heard of Francis Jeffers? Record top scorer for the U21’s until Nketiah, and by all accounts a brilliant finisher in training. In the first team though he was crap and missed sitters and then had to be sold. Over the years, Nketiah has had enough chances and like last night failed when he had a simple chance to score, which was similar to Aubameyang’s miss from close in against Newcastle. Nketiah is limited and is supposedly someone who is lethal in the box but can’t do much else. We cannot afford to play with someone who is so one-dimensional as a main striker as there are pitifully few goals from elsewhere. Where I agree is that we’ll get peanuts for him, which is ridiculous when you see strikers of a similar ability commanding higher fees.

    #2028091

    steve68
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    i’m not honestly suprised about the clueless arteta anymore.
    for those of you who like your stats then the game against
    newcastle the other week showed why fans like me want him
    out with justification.in the bottom 5 in the prem lge for
    attacking stats tells us that arteta aint nothing but a
    defensive manager who hasn’t a clue about attacking football
    or getting the best out of us in forward areas.everton 2nd half
    deserved their win and the only player i’d give any decent rating
    to would have been odegaard,who was by far our best player.the
    spine of the team is too weak to control or dominate games long
    enough and our game man management is poor.i totally disagree
    with some fans i talk to that arteta is doing the best out of
    what he’s got or that klopp or guardiola won’t do any better is
    just pure trash talk.klopp & guariola are better managers so
    therefor would get more out of these players.arteta does not install
    a belief in the team to finish games off by scoring the 2nd or 3rd,
    but under him we just back off and try to hold on to what we got.
    that is poor,poor management for me and those attacking stats that
    sky showed the other week back those facts up.arteta is not good
    enough and his boring football is getting annoying to watch.almost
    as many defeats as wins tells us that he’s got to go.he’s not good
    enough.

    #2028092
    the specialone
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    Jeff – I’m not saying he’s the best striker,just a decent one.I do think he has a lot of potential.What’s puzzling is why we didn’t loan him out.It’s ridiculous…He would’ve got enough playing time and proven his true capabilities.I don’t agree with him getting a chance so rarely.
    In virtue,We both are agreeing that regardless a player of his talent should command a higher fee.
    But what to do if you’ve got someone as useless as Edu running things.This guy literally paid top journalists such as Fabrizio to write a good piece on him and support him.

    The problem now is that we’ve got Auba,Laca,Nkethia and Balagun.All four are very similar types of strikers.None of them offering a unique dimension.That’s why our play is so predictable.

    This is my whole point.While Arteta has clearly messed up a lot this season espescially in his in-game management,He really doesn’t have an array of talent like people think.There is lack of experience, an imbalance and no matter which coach is in charge he will not get much out of this squad.

    #2028304

    muffler_1
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    Nketia has the same agent as Balogun so why should he sign a new deal given that he does not play or as in Balogun case sign and not play. Also we had an offer accepted for him by Palace and he himself priced himself out of that with salary demands that were too high, not Edus fault.

    The guy wants to play simple as that.

    This will happen more and more because Arteta say one thing and does another. Players knows this so does AMN which is another one.

    If you as a manager continues to persist with underperforming experienced players and you get overlooked despite as in AMN case getting a MoM just to get ousted by Elneny or Xhaka just back from injury. They will not sign new deals they are not idiots. Why should they owe Arsenal anything when they are treated like this? This is all down to bad management.

    #2028327
    The Oracle
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    Muffler, spot on. Certain players can play badly in every game and Arteta will still select them. Edu had Xhaka out of the door, sold for €10-€12m but Arteta overruled him and kept the donkey, he gets him into the team even when he’s not even fit. Look at Willian, he was crap in every game but he was always in the team. Arteta is going to lose Balogun, the players frustration will build and build. You make a good point about AMN He plays one match in the centre of midfield, a game we won against Watford, he’s voted MOTM. Does he keep his place, no of course not, he’s even left out of the squad. Lokonga starting to play really well, what happens, he gets dropped and we get Xhaka back who was crap, better than Partey but crap. Abameyang, why is he captain, finally dropped after over a season of being poor only to be replaced by Lacazette who hasn’t scored in months but he comes in he’s made captain, why, and he’s crap. Martinelli, Balogun will leave, Nketiah & AMN have had enough. Saka and Smith-Rowe only got in the side due to injuries. Senior players have let Arsenal down for years but they still get preferential treatment and they let the youngsters down in every game. Arteta has to go.

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