Fans cowards for booing,Torreira's reaction to the incident !

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    the specialone
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    I think all has been said from me on the other thread,but booing is an important topic and should not be ignored.

    Read this

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7621519/Granit-Xhaka-visited-home-three-concerned-Arsenal-stars-telling-fans-f-off.html

    You have the club photographer stuart macfarlane hesitantly and necessarily posting pictures of Lucas torreira crying during the incident.Saying he has absolute love and respect for his captain as we all would presume from that reaction.

    All the fans that booed him,f*cking disgraceful and should be embarrased
    I’ve had it upto here showing a lack of empathy and doing whatever they want.They shouldn’t be allowed to support the club,I mean there is certainly no “support” in supporter for them.

    I mean you have a player who was not even involved in the incident crying because of what he saw.what,he was wrong.Is he soft?Yet another examle of how much xhaka is respected by the players.

    But hey,fans know it all.They know more than anyone.

    #1794804

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    So Evra was right then?

    Lacazette liked a post tellin Xhaka to f*ck off.

    Just saying as i said at the time of the player vote that the squad would be diveded over him. Seems like that is the case now and in full view.

    As for the behaviour of the fans and the response by Xhaka i dont condone any of it. But Xhakas response will probably make it all worse although I can understand his feelings doing what he did will only invite more of the same.

    #1794849
    The Oracle
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    This thread is totally stupid. All it does it underline the fact that The Stupid One knows nothing about football and is a complete fool. Why don’t you give it up El Stupido and go back to Yank sports, you might have some understanding of them but somehow I doubt it. And FFS learn how to spell defence.

    #1794851
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    muffler – That’s BS again and you know it.Lacazette and auba both constantly like Troopz post because they find his rants funny.If you’ve seen him,he really is a clown.He posts Unai emery’s red army after we went 2-0 up and at 2-2 he deemed emery not good enough.

    Lacazette and Auba both constantly like xhaka’s posts on social media.What he posts.It certainly dosen’t imply that they hate him.

    Torreira was in tears because the captain was being booed and abused.This really says it all.Do you really need anything else to prove that the fans are at fault here?

    #1794867

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    You are ok with making assumptions about the team vote when it suits your view just saying not everything is black and white. Especially when you and everyone else knows f*ck all whats going on between everyone in the team. So it seems you have everything spot on and others dont. Its funny how you have taken the role of the all knower.

    Where did i say fans were not at fault?

    Fans started it and i dont condone that while i understand Xhaka you just cant do what he did either.

    Especially when it deflects on the fact Emery is not getting this team right.

    #1794992
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    Muffler – Me using a reference of an actual quote from the manager of the team(to something no one in or around the club has denied) has much more credibility to something you are purely presuming over an instagram post.As I said,if you knew them,both auba and laca like Troopz posts constantly because of his meltdowns rather than what he’s saying.They also constantly like whatever xhaka posts on instagram.

    Why are we even discussing those things?Holding has come out and defended the captaincy of xhaka,Bellerin has come out and defended xhaka of the incident and torreira has cried for his captain.You cannot add any more logic to it.If this is not enough to suggest that the players actually care about their captain and the fans are a toxic fanbase,and were more in the wrong than xhaka(yes he was in the wrong too),then it is seriously crossing the realms of logic.

    #1795048

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    Again all we know is that there was a vote and majority was for Xhaka. Not how it was done, not how the exact results were could have 1 vote difference. You do not know the complete facts some we know but not the details while you act like everyone in the team was in favour of Xhaka just to support your point. Thats all we know not every single players view. Thats all Im saying. You also dont know Lacas thoughts so calling it BS is how you debate.

    Of course they support Xhaka do you really think anyone in the team would publicly state he was in the wrong besides Emery?? Do you think anyone would be that stupid as it would create fractions?

    Again we see the surface not whats really going on.

    #1795052

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    Bellerin did not say anything about Xhaka. He said basiclly we should be united fans, players and so on. Did not even mention what he thought about Xhakas actions NO player has only Emery.

    #1795167

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    So our “devastated” ( according to Emery), captain has still not apologised- two days after it happened! So much for remorse. If anything does emerge now, it will because the hierarchy demanded it of him. Despicable individual, still doesn’t think he did anything wrong. So the “handshake ” he gave Emery and the throwing down of the armband and shirt was ok by him? Who does he think he is? He should certainly be stripped of the captaincy and also put on the transfer list. I was at a few games last season and invariably when his name was called up, there were boos. This is nothing new. He is not a good player and many fans realise this, so Sunday was not surprising.

    #1795214

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    In general I think booing your own players is wrong but I don’t actually think it happens that often. Lots and lots of people (friends of mine, journos etc) that WERE at the game all seem to confirm the following: 1) Xhaka didn’t have that bad a game (by his own standards which some would say are not good enough anyway) and probably subbed to bring on another attacker as we chased the game. 2) he only got booed as we sulked off the pitch and some would say that’s justified 3) throwing the armband away is NOT ok, ever. As for the other bits and bobs such as slapping Emery hand, marching off down the tunnel, leaving the ground before the end, generally being a petulant baby being paid 110k a week, they don’t help his cause.

    The fans should not be booing him per se but it’s not surprising when we are chasing the game and needed him off the field. As for Torreira crying? So what? He needs to man up a little bit. Unless he was crying because he still didn’t get a game.

    Seriously anyone who thinks Xhaka is being treated outrageously is well wide of the mark.

    Apparently we are offering him counselling but he stil is not ready to apologise. Seriously? Counselling?

    I’m really sorry I started typing this with sound mind but I’ve just wound myself up just thinking about it

    #1795254
    the specialone
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    Max and muffler – It’s astounding how differently a “star” player is treated from a scapegoat.I mean he is called a “scapgoat” after all,I’m not inventing the word.
    This is what irks me the most tbh.

    I had some mates that were at the stadium too.And they told me that as soon as the his number went up,there was a HUGE Sarcastic cheer in the stadium.Not booing initially just cheer.Then when he was walking off the pitch,is when the booing started.Probably because of xhaka’s reaction and him “not running off”.
    See now here’s the thing.And whether you guys rate xhaka or not,Please understand what I’m saying here.

    This five captain thing was bullshit.Xhaka was the official captain at the start of the season.He was the one leading the men in the tunnel.He was the one who was going for the coin toss.The thing is,for anyone who criticised Emery’s selection process later on,fans were AGAINST this appointment from the very start.For whatever reason.They failed to respect the decision of the manager and the club.So there we have it,xhaka the captain but facing constant criticism.I said it before,emery actually made a smart move to ask the players then.I mean what better way to remove “Doubt”.But even after the PLAYERS voted for him(stop denying that’s what happened),then emery gets stick for that selection process?I mean what the bloody hell do you want from emery.When he’s picked xhaka captain at the START of the season,he gets stick,when he does it the other way,he gets stick.It’s basically the “fans way” or the “highway”.

    Where xhaka is concerned.Having the fans not respect the decision of him being captain from day one.Constantly abusing him on social media where he’s had to limit comments section.It went as far as abusing his wife.I need to remind you guys that against aston villa it was the same reaction from the fans but he ran off.At the weekend,it was the same reaction but he couldn’t take it.He was emotional,it’s clear as daylight he’s been made a scapegoat and he knew itNot to say his reaction was right but no one said captains can’t be humans.
    Some points
    1)This idea that he didn’t run off the pitch.The sub was made with half hour to go.And it’s the fans who “started it”.If they’d just shut up and not jeered a captain of the club it would’ve been avoided.
    2)If you guys wouldn’t have done the same considering the abuse he gets,you not only lack empathy but don’t understand psychology as well.
    3)Apology?What should he apologise for?PR?I’m glad he didn’t,because atleast he’s being honest.That abuse was aimed at all the “haters” who’ve constantly abused him.If he is to issue an apology,is it fair to ask those disgusting fans stop supporting Arsenal let alone enter the stadium.what?Differrent treatment for them?Ok at the least They apologise as well?

    I need to remind you that Torreira cried for his captain.If this was any other player(or rather a player you liked),you’d be defending him.
    I came across another thread yesterday stating xhaka’s strengths and how he’s not being played to them.He basically has top statistics of anArsenal player for most if not all the parameters needed to judge a player.Most tackles,most passes,most passes into the final third etc.Sure he has his weaknesses but simple fact is he’s not being used to his strenghts and emery must start taking responsibility.He should’ve long ago.

    Anyways,this is more about the fans,it’s a toxic fanbase.Scapegoats every year,abuse every year.It has nothing to do with any one personel,certainly not the manager.It’s to do with themselves.They’ve forgotten what this club stands for.They’ve done it to far too many people,and at this point the fans psychology has been ruined.
    The fans must know their place.I’ve told you,if anyone really thinks they know more than proffessionals,go one become one.No one is bloody stopping you.But till your a supporter,support the team because that’s what your meant to do.

    #1795265
    steveosnakeeye
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    i think some of the fans dont help themselves, however the way our fan base has been treated for so long under AW and now Emery, its no real wonder

    also no idea why this is going on as long as it is, he should have apologised, he hasnt and likley wont and thus make the problem worse

    we have more issues than Xhaka, tho the fact he keeps getting selected let alone made captain and now this…its to much, time to move on for the best of both parties IMHO

    #1795276
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    And how exactly has the fanbase been treated tell me?Is anyone out there forcing those fans to support the club?No.I mean they surely aren’t supporting it anyways.Let’s not have two ways about it,fans get joy and excitement out of supporting the club,they are not “favouring” the club in anywhich way.

    If you look at it,wenger actually did an unbeleivable job creating a brand of football,creating a brand of the club,and extending it worldwide.Without him,this club wouldn’t be popular as it is now.These are facts.Espescially not under these owners.

    Changing managers,players do what you want.Nothing will “genuinely” improve unless we change the owners with the lack of ambition that stems from that.Fans take it out on the players,managers because the owners are silently sitting behind taking a salary and getting their stock multiplies without investing a single penny in other operations.I’m talking exlusively of the Arsenal owners.

    #1795278

    stev2bath1
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    Why open this thread to carry on the same argument ?????

    #1795279
    steveosnakeeye
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    My god, you call yourself a football AND ARSENAL fan?
    then have the bare faced cheek to ask and say no one is forcing them?
    that has to be the most shitty and American thing to say and shows you have no love or identity with our GREAT club.
    WE spend our money on matches, merchandise and tv packages and travelling the world and country to suppor OUR team, so i think thhe fans who are still the true lifeblood of the club amd its idenity from where the club is and so so so so so much more you cant even begin to comprehend!

    im not saying we have the best owners, we cant change that, we can force change in the playng and managerial staff tho when we are being served up shite game after game

    you really DO NOT understand what it is to be british and a football fan (of any club) let alone our great club.

    You said similar tosh for the NLD and showed you dont have the firtst idea what being an ARSENAL fan.

    Some of your comments beggar belief they really do

    #1795280
    steveosnakeeye
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    its what he does Stev….if that isnt bad enough, the comments speak volumes….

    #1795298

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    Tso you clearly dont understand what beeing fan is about.

    I suggest you either read or watch Fever pitch and no not the Us version with baseball. Then maybe you will understand what beeing a real fan is.

    There will always be people going over the line of whats acceptable its like that over the whole world regardless of the topic.

    However not everybody is like that as you seem to think.

    Just because i think Xhaka is not performing in any way thats where it stays for me i want him gone but i will never boo him or any Afc player for that matter. Nor attack him on social media him or his wife as i dont use social media at all.

    I also dont care if he appologize or not it wont change my view of him. I still think he is not good enough. Also it wont matter what he does any more outside of the pitch. Its on the pitch were it matters. Compare with Hendrerson he also get alot of stick and what does he do. He works his socka off on the pitch to prove them wrong. Where Xhaka apparently only does it in training if I were to see what he does there on games then he would not be where he is with me. Unless its the same standard in training and Emery see something the majority dont.

    #1795303
    the specialone
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    steve0 – Shut up will you,I’ve had it upto here about you questioning how much of a fan I am.I don’t pretend to hold a season ticket like some on here,I don’t pretend to go to every single game(because I don’t live in the city).Just because I wouldn’t want to prioritise someone else winning a trophy over us,apparently I’m not a real fan.Are you the one who’s bloody listening to himself.I mean wanting my team to win a trophy over another club(whoever it is),and apparently that’s not being a good enough fan.I watch every single game,and I’ve attended every single time I could and I’m not a pretentious fan like you.so what,Just because i wouldn’t give xhaka the same amount of stick for making a mistake in an NLD,I don’t understand the importance of it?It was a mistake you bozo.He didn’t pre-plan it.Get that through your empty head.I’m not going to make him a scapegoat.

    Muffler – No muffler,I completely understand what being a fan about.I’m just practical and sensible enough to know that just because we pay the bucks to attend matches and buy merchandise,it dosen’t make us more knowledgable and more intelligent than actual proffessionals working with the players almost every other day.

    “There will always be people going over the line”.At our club,it’s a bit too much,too many.Fans can’t respect the decision of the manager and the club.And then they try other ways to give him stick.I’m not saying our opinion dosen’t matter,but it’s much less likely to be right than actual proffessionals that are in the job.
    It’s not about on this website,it’s everywhere on social media.So many fans give the holier than thou attitude.And do you really think scapegoatism dosen’t exist,I can’t speak for other clubs but it exists in a mass way at this club.We as supporters are meant to support the club,not criticise almost every single decision.

    Forget xhaka,it happened with the greatest manager of our club ever.Abuse,banners flying around.Fans have forgotten what this club stands for,we’re not a chelsea or a city.We “had” much more class than them but that slowly going down with the toxicity of our fans.

    #1795307
    steveosnakeeye
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    you are gem and your post says it all for me and you cant even see it

    you have no idea what it is to be a british football fan, heaped in the histgory of the club and area and all the things that go on with other clubs

    you are a fforeign fan who watches on TV and is ibcredibly insulting to the british arsenal fan base, not the language you use and all the nonsese you spout but the actual insulting way you write and the things you say about british fans is apalling, hence im frnakly ashamed to have people like you associated with my club

    but as muffler says, not everyone is the same so i shall tar only you with that brush and not every fan….

    #1795308
    steveosnakeeye
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    also if you bothered ot read my post and understand it form a british perspective

    i was not and am not questioning your support for the club, i question your views and inability to understand anyones POV and then insult british fans of their club they have followed for generations

    i admire your support i dont admire the way you use it and they way you will not admit you know less than others or are never right and are always rude and insulting either to individuals or all arsenal fans as a whole

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