Ferdinand as DoF

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    killyboye
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    Plain and simple, is this a good call? As a player he was world class, a person with the name to impress potential players if in the DoF role. Good call or bad?

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    Alfie07
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    No one will know until two or three years down the line. It may not even be him anyway. Whoever gets the job needs to be given a chance.

    I don’t understand why he cannot do the job though. What has upset people? Did Ajax fans feel the same way about Van der Saar or Overmars? They are all ex-players taking up roles at clubs. What makes some more suitable than others?

    The most important thing is the structure. This leads to that. Small steps and that.

    People wet the bed when Phelan was being mentioned, now there is a lot of angst with Rio. I get that anyone other than Phelan doesn’t always equate to a positive, but the main thing is the structure. We have needed a structure change and we are, hopefully, going to get one.

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    Phelan’s a coach, a positive minded motivator, good at putting the arm round the modern player. He’s lead first team coaching sessions for years at Utd. Leave him where he is as a No.2.

    I’d support Rio for the DoF role. He’s committed to Man Utd, he’s got a much stronger personality, very driven and is well respected as a player. He won’t be a yes man.

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    killyboye
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    I suppose when people look at DoF’s at other clubs, they’re successful ex-players whose name will help attract talent, Zorc at Dortmund, VDS at Ajax, Abidal at Barca, Monchi who’s back at Sevilla was a top player for Sevilla in the past, Salihamidzic at Bayern. I think it’s why the club are possibly looking at Ferdinand.
    However, as you say, it’s the structure that’s most important. That needs to be right or it’s irrelevant who the DoF is.

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    MacGuffin
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    Firstly we need to define the qualifications a candidate should have. Imagine it was a job vacancy posting on a job site. What would be the job duties and candidate criteria.

    None of us knows much about players background. Has Rio done a coaching badge or shown any interest in football management. Does he have good connections at other clubs, is he respected, does he know anything about scouting. The only interest he seems to show is on the topic of racism.

    Personally I don’t think he has the right profile. He held the club to ransom over pay demands. He had the brains to “forget” a drug test. He helped ferment unrest when Moyes was manager over such important issues as chips on the menu. etc etc.

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    Mac, so he’s good with money, will put us on a level playing field with Pep when it comes to dodging drugs tests, and will put a smile on the face of the canteen staff serving chips.

    I think we’ve wrote the job description here.

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    Horrible choice if it had to happen in my opinion – the guy hasn’t done anything coaching wise since he retired and has gone into boxing, fashion and pretty much everything outside of football (bar punditry). He is someone who missed a drugs test out of his own negligence and has shown no sign of being capable of handling quite possibly what will be the most difficult role in world football.

    Anyone who says something like “it was wicked

      meeting Nelson Mandela” won’t get my vote.

      I’d like to see van Der Sar in the role; seeing this Ajax team is showing me that he knows what he’s doing over there.

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    Zico
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    I am all in for former players taking directors role in clubs but this stinks gambling of the highest order. We have an unproven explayer as manager and what do we know about Rio´s abilities? He might be good but his personality is very much a eelephant in the room as Mac pointed out.

    I would rather appoint a successful DoF from another club and give him free hands rebuilding the football at Man United completely. I would also give him the mandatory to appoint new managers. Find the right man for this and he will find us the right players and right managers.

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    killyboye
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    Rio has done his coaching badges but that doesn’t make him necessarily good for the role. As stated earlier, unless the structure is agreed in advance, unless people’s roles, and that includes everyone at admin level from Woodward down to the lowest underage coaches, are agreed in advance, then the whole thing is a waste of time.
    Potentially, for the clubs first DoF/Technical Director, we should be looking at someone with experience, perhaps VDS. Someone who can use their existing experience to create a structure that will work in the long run. It galls me to say it but City got it bang on getting Begiristan in to set up their structure. His experience of Barca’s setup could only have helped. We could do worse than look at, not necessarily Abidal or Zorc, but someone just below them from Barca or Dortmund.

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    There’s no point changing the structure if all you are going to do is parachute a complete novice into that role, all it does is add yet another level of incompetence, and fuck knows we’ve got more than enough layers of that already.
    It’s about time we appointed proper professional ‘best in breed’ people into key roles within the club, not just picking the next random guy who’s only qualifications are that he’s connected to the club and is a mate of Ferguson’s. Until we do, nothing is ever going to change fundamentally with this shit show, simple as that.

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    There seems to be a popular consensus at the club and amongst fans, that bringing in ex players is the solution to the shit we find ourselves in. I’m afraid the opposite is almost certainly the case. Let’s have the best professionals in their respective fields at the club, not enthusiastic fucking amateurs. There’s absolutely no reason to suggest that Ferdinand would make a better DoF than anyone posting on this forum, other than happy of course.

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    united_we_win
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    Lest we forget this Guy also tried something new quite recently ;he thought he was the next Anthony Joshua and we know how that turned out!

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    Zico
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    @jm1502 LOL,agree!

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    Must admit i was surprised when i first read about this. But I think Rio is very popular in the football world. I think a lot of young footballers look up to him as well and he does a lot with youth academies etc.

    As Mac says, we need to define what the DOF role consists of. If it’s just to give the aura of what playing for United is all about and being popular/a role model – maybe Rio isn’t a bad shout?

    JM – Care to talk us through the experience Overmars and Van Der Saar had before their roles at Ajax?

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    Alfie07
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    Van der Sar joined as marketing director. Can you imagine the fuss if we signed him as that?!

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    Give a couple of years and giggs will be worming his way back in.

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    killyboye
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    Most of the most successful DoF’s/Technical directors are familiar with how a club plays, how it operates and what is expected in terms of results, signings, and all of the above. All are generally past players, the only significantly successful DoF that was successful and never played for the club was Sammer at Bayern after he left Dortmund. From that point of view we should be looking at an ex-player. The burning question is who?

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    theMartial Art
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    Kinda sad, seems like this forum is filled with miserable people that have nothing to contribute but hate. Ferdinand is England and Manchester United legend.. but you would think we hired satan based on the pathetic comments on this thread.

    Get him in there Woodward. Rio knows the club. Will make a good director of football.

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    There you are, tMA wants Ferdinand. I rest my case.

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    Fair point happy. The difference between the likes of Overmars and Van der Sar though, is they’re low profile, low key and tend avoid publicity. Overmars also served his ‘apprenticeship’ coaching at Go Ahead Eagles. Van Der Sar is actually the CEO at Ajax, so not the DoF, having been the Marketing Director for 4 years. Ferdinand, on the other hand, is a serial publicity seeker and bored ex footballer. I mean, boxing ffs.

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