Football in England to be suspended until April 30

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  • #1837707

    nine nine nine
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    Agreed Chris Sky reporting Wimbledon to be cancelled which doesn’t start until the beginning of July.

    Just call time on this season now and announce a preliminary date as when the new Season might commence. 1st October maybe? No League Cup and fewer international breaks to accommodate the late start of the Season.

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    This dreadful disease is not going to go away in a couple of months, We can all only pray that it does.

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    I got this from independent.co.uk, having read the same thing from other sources:
    “The Premier League has developed plans for clubs to play televised games in isolated “World Cup-style” camps in the midlands and London over June and July, in order to try and finish the 2019/20 season amid the coronavirus pandemic.

    The football authorities have been in discussion about ideas over the weekend, with games “behind closed doors” still seen as the likeliest solution, but the idea of isolated camps is one the clubs keep returning to. It has gained increasing traction in the last few days.”

    I don’t like the idea as I don’t find this season interesting anymore but it’s a possibility in case the pandemic can be contained in June or July as Premier League may have some contractual obligations (with sponsors, TVs, broadcasters etc) to finish the season.

    #1837880

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    Aindro, there have been reports that mid July is the cut off point to finish the season in respect of the Broadcasting contracts.

    Ceferin the President of UEFA suggested last week that if games can’t resume by the end of June the season is likely to be lost which obviously applies to more than just the PL.

    I’m very wary of the behind doors neutral ground strategy to just cram the end of the season in no matter what as I think it is likely to taint results for instance Villa are best at home and having to play under these circumstances may see them relegated.

    Ultimately I don’t think that the PL will be prepared to push this season too far into next season because the end of the season next season is immovable with the Euros being rescheduled to the Summer of 2021 and I doubt UEFA will be prepared to move them again.

    Much of the desire to complete this season Liverpool and Liverpool fans aside is to protect the TV monies with a potential loss running into hundreds of millions of £’s for the Club’s. I think an easy way around that problem would be for the PL to give Sky and BT Sport another circa 30 free games to televise next season which would compensate Sky and BT for more or less what they’ve lost this season.

    There are UEFA and PL meetings this week whether they offer any further guidance than something like their previous announcements ie “there will be no football until after May 31st” remains open to conjecture.

    The PL needs 14 Clubs to agree a future strategy on ending this season or voiding it currently given where the UK currently is with the Coronavirus I can’t see a relaxation of the lockdown rules anytime soon which obviously impacts on any decision the PL might make and whatever they decide will require Government approval and that won’t happen while the UK remains in lockdown.

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    I think transfer fees and wages will come down with a bump as clubs have lost a lot of money during the shutdown, Lille evidently need the cash and that is why they are selling their centreback. In that case it is best to keep your powder dry unless you can get a wonderful deal.

    I notice clubs are wanting players to reduce their pay (OK in the premiership, not Div 2). I have yet to read of Daniel Levy and his ilk offering up half their salaries.

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    UEFA has just suspended all competitions (UCL, Europa, Euro qualification) indefinitely. I guess more and more possible Premier League this season would be voided as only Belarus continues their league in Europe.

    Economic situation will be a problem soon (if not already) for everyone, including for football clubs. Loss of revenue for sure as alanp said. But Chelsea would surely be affected too. Would this situation affect Frank Lampard’s transfer budget?

    999 I too disagree with the idea of “World Cup style camp” to finish the season. I don’t think either players will be fit right away after some weeks of inactivity due to the pandemic. I would prefer to void the season and to resume the next season as normal. Transfer window, pre-season etc. But let’s just see how the plan will unfold. I can’t see either the pandemic sitution will improve sometimes soon, this will take quite long time.

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    UEFA seem all over the place less than a week ago UEFA President Aleksander Ceferin admitted that the 2019/20 season “will probably be lost” if the coronavirus outbreak prevents football from resuming by the end of June.

    I think it’s unhelpful for UEFA to be threatening Leagues with loss of CL places if Leagues prematurely curtail the season I guess what bought that about was the actions of the Belgian League.

    But the League’s aren’t in charge of when they can restart the Government’s of all the League’s are.

    Seemingly UEFA would like to see the League’s completed in July and August but if that was the case the players would need June for a pre season you would then think there would need to be some sort of break between this Season and next Season with the new Season starting perhaps in early October which would still require some juggling of domestic Cups possibly losing the League Cup? and next seasons CL and EL games.

    UEFA are between a rock and a hard place if the current season pushes too far into next season that will almost certainly impact on the Euros and I’m sure UEFA won’t want to see that come under any more pressure than it has already even a possible cancellation because footballers won’t be able to play the end of season fixtures then with little to no break move on to playing a full League season and then go and compete in the Euros.

    Still the PL seem to be on top of it all with a plan to play all the remaining 2019/20 games in China???

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    I truly hope Chelsea FC don’t go down the furloughing path for non playing staff.

    Liverpool are not alone in furloughing but it’s a spectacular own goal by all the Club’s who have decided to tread this path especially the biggest and the most wealthy Clubs.

    We can only hope that other Clubs including our own don’t feel compelled to follow this path and the Government closes this particular loophole down asap to all PL Clubs at the very least.

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    It’s a difficult situation for everybody, including football clubs. I hope that Chelsea will be able to keep everybody intact, including the staff. I think it would be nice if footballers in England give a small part of their salary to support the staff. I read about football players salary cut in Italy and Spain and Germany but I don’t think it’s the case in England.

    I read this morning that Premier League had a plan to resume in June, behind closed door. There will be 9 to 10 matches to play per team. https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/premier-league-advanced-talks-government-21817712

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    I don’t think there will be a next season. There might be a window where we can finish the current season during the summer but without a vaccine ready and available when Autumn and Winter roll around again I can only see this shit kicking off again.

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    Difficult to predict anything currently the joint letter from the ECA, PL, EL FA and UEFA. Suggest a plan for the end of the Season to be completed across June July and maybe August and they’re looking for a minimal disruption to next season.

    I don’t think this season will go much beyond September if they can I don’t think the authorities want to disrupt two season and UEFA won’t want to lose the Euros again so I think there’s probably a limit to how far this season can and will be pushed into next.

    Football though seems very unimportant currently.

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    bort I think scientists everywhere in the world are working hard at the moment to find vaccine and/or medications. I believe that what governments are doing at the moment is just to prevent hospitals being overloaded. But the virus is there, outside, everywhere in the world. It would not surprise me if it will still be there in November or even next year. People will still contract the virus. But I am hoping that scientists and big pharmas will find a remedy to alleviate the symptoms or a vaccine by then. We cannot just stay in lockdown indefinitely as countries might collapse if this continues too much longer.

    So while I am not optimist at all and I am even against continuing this season, I am hoping next season would still be held, even if it will start may be a bit late due to everybody’s effort/struggling to fight the pandemic currently. The virus will still be there. I just cannot see we will still stay in lockdown for much too long, say until the end of the year. Economy will collapse and people will be without jobs.

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    #1840108

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    I think the desire amongst the PL Club’s and the football authorities is to complete the season somehow however imo there will come a point where the various movers and shakers won’t want it to overly impact on next Season which is borne out by the comments from UEFA the FA and the letter from the ECA and UEFA to all European Clubs.

    I’m not sure what happens if the season is declared null and void but for me whatever happens Liverpool should be crowned Champions.

    How all that works legally if the season is voided is open to conjecture as supposedly a season voided means it didn’t happen which is perhaps why the PL are seemingly in favour of describing it as”curtailing” the season due to force majeure if it can’t be completed and that’s the way it finally goes.

    Personally I don’t think playing the season out over a few weeks with all games at Wembley behind closed doors for instance with the potential of no VAR because of social distancing when VAR has played a significant part in a number of results so far this season is going to reflect a fair and accurate end to the season it would surely provide Liverpool with the two wins they need but it might cost for instance Villa their place in the PL because their best form is at home with their fans backing them.

    My suggestion would be to call the season if it can’t start by circa mid/end June forget the 2019/20 FA Cup, CL and EL’s,decide League positions based on current average points x 38 games, don’t relegate anyone promote the top 2 in the Championship on the same basis with a third Championship team also promoted based on head to heads between the 3/4/5 and 6th placed Clubs and play a 23 PL next season with 6 relegated to bring us back to 20 PL Clubs the following season.

    However even when next Season could start is open to conjecture and we may also need to lose the League Cup and FA Cup next season and all CL and EL games might have to be played on a one game knock out basis.

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    I am sure when they do start it will be some time before spectators will be allowed in, obviously that will effect us financially but clubs with much larger capacities will be worse off I think. Even though most finance nowdays comes from other sources.

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    999 while I agree that Liverpool deserve the title should this season being declared void, I still think it’s incoherent if we void other results. If Liverpool are champions, so all others must follow: place 2-4 qualify for UCL and bottom 3 relegated. So we’ll have to take the snapshot of the current table as is and attribute the reward accordingly.

    I think now most likely outcome would be to cramp the season to finish behind closed doors. I don’t like that but it seems to be the current direction for now.

    Blueowner: it would be sad to see empty stadium to be honest, the ambiance will not be the same. And should this season resume, I think there will be no choice but to play the remaining of this season behind closed doors.

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    Aindro, there’s a real desire by the authorities to play out the season somehow but there’s also an understanding from the authorities that this may not be possible and from a PL viewpoint whilst seemingly Sky won’t ask for TV monies back for this Season they will hold back on payments for next Season until it gets going which along with what’s already been said by the authorities as per my previous posts suggests the new season won’t be held back forever to try and fit the old season in somehow and there are reports in the press again today re UEFA’s concerns about being able to complete this season across all the European Leagues.

    However even when a new season might be able to start is currently anyone’s guess and there are suggestions of behind closed doors games going on into 2021.

    That aside firstly the PL no longer refer to voiding the season for legal reasons they now “describe” it as curtailing the season due to force majeure. Scotland are one vote away from calling the season if it can’t re start by June 10 th and I think that’s probably the way the PL and the rest of the European Leagues will ultimately go if they can’t get the current Leagues restarted by June.

    The above is broadly the way Scotland are proposing to go and it takes care of all the outstanding PL issues including the title and European places as well as promoting 3 teams from the Championship but it doesn’t relegate anyone but the same logic could be applied for the relegation places which is the way Scotland are going.

    Assuming there is even a CL and EL next season there are only 3 ways to decide who competes in them:

    1) Play the season out (but realistically that may not be possible and even UEFA acknowledge that.)

    2) Award European places based on last seasons PL positions. Which is probably not the fairest way to do it. ie Spurs would qualify for the CL which up to the break in the season looked very unlikely and Sheffield United who are in a EL place at the break of the season wouldn’t get a EL place as they weren’t in the PL last season.

    3) Take the number of points gained to date divide it by the number of games played up to when the season ended and then multiply if by 38 games which will give you an accurate average and League positions after 38 games.

    My personal guess is that if we can’t get the PL up and running by June time will be called on it and we’ll end up with option 3 but it’s all pretty impossible to predict currently.

    #1840536

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    “Half of Premier League’s clubs will push to see the season ended by the traditional June 30 deadline at Friday’s shareholders’ meeting, even if all games are not completed.

    The 20 club executives will discuss, over a video call, the latest plans to end the season and, despite a commitment from many to end the campaign whatever it costs, some are fearful of the contract chaos that running past the end of June could bring.

    Any player who was set to be out of contract at the end of the season, such as Olivier Giroud at Chelsea or Jan Vertonghen at Tottenham, is contracted until June 30.

    Should the season continue past that date they would have no obligation to continue playing and extensions could prove complicated to agree with players keen not to threaten a future move or threaten injury.

    The Football Association made the decision last month to indefinitely extend the date by which the season could be finished, while Fifa have published guidelines stating that any player whose contract is set to expire this summer should see it out until the end of the campaign, whenever that may be.” Evening Standard 16/04

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    Great information nine!! However 14 out of 20 clubs must agree with it: The June 30 proposal can be given a green signal only if 14 out of the 20 Premier League clubs vote for it. So let’s see how this season will unfold.

    I think it’s a great idea to set a time-bound limit like that so that the continuation of this season will not impact next season. And at the same time, Liverpool should be able to wrap the title in at most 3-4 matches I think. Nothing will be fair unless we complete this season in full but in light of this pandemic: I think everybody should agree that health and safety come first before football.

    #1840599

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    Aindro, I’m well aware that any changes to the PL requires 14 Clubs to vote for it and I think that may be difficult to achieve currently because calling an early end to the season won’t be favoured by Liverpool who want to win the title on the pitch or a number of Clubs on the periphery of the race for CL and EL places or the 3 Clubs who would be relegated if the season gets called now.

    However it’s difficult to see how football can recommence even behind closed doors when there are thousands of new Coronavirus cases every day in the UK and hundreds of deaths every day in the UK and this is replicated across Europe too.

    Ultimately a decision will have to be taken on how to end the season don’t forget the title of this thread is Football in England suspended until April 30th how foolish does that look now?

    Allegedly Sky and BT will not demand any TV monies back and a deal will probably be done on extra games free to Sky and BT next Season but equally the TV companies won’t hand over any new money until the new Season commences and all Clubs even the biggest are in desperate need of money so the current season can’t be allowed to push the new season back too far.

    I’m sure that if there are as reported 10 PL Clubs who believe that there has to be a June cut off date to call the season there will be behind closed doors canvasing to try and convert the additional 4 Clubs needed to achieve that.

    But this situation is not limited to just the PL and we’ve already seen both Belgium and Scotland call their seasons and Spain is seemingly according to reports down the line in making plans to do the same.

    Ultimately UEFA will probably have a big hand in how all this pans out and whilst there’s a desire from UEFA to see the season played out there’s also an acknowledgement from UEFA and indeed our own FA that this may not be possible and UEFA’s scientific experts are telling UEFA that finishing the current season in their planned time scale won’t be possible so ultimately the decision to end the season may not even be in the PL’s hands it may well get called by UEFA and there is another meeting next week to discuss this further.

    Personally I have significant doubts on when football in England might be able to recommence and I think the best plan of action is probably to call this season now and finalise the PL table by averaging the points which is what they’ve done in Scotland and then set a date as to when hopefully the new Season might start but even starting the new Season on say October 3rd might be too optimistic.

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