Fulham Away Sat Aug 6th KO 12.30pm

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    captkirk
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    I wouldn’t play Milner ahead of Trent also, as he’s not a defender. However watching Milner’s cross for the 4th goal against Dortmund again, I doubt Trent could have crafted a better cross. That goes against the narrative that he has an exceptionally rare quality and we are going to fall a cliff if he isn’t making crosses from the right. As I said earlier I have seen Hendo make excellent ones also.
    At the moment some opposition managers have a blueprint that involves attracting our CB’s to the left and leaving Trent to fend for himself, and I’ve seen enough to think that in these situations 7 times out of 10 he’ll be beaten by the attacker, because he has lapses, and becomes unaware of what is around him, Vicinius used this to punish us or he gets outmuscled like against Vilarreal, Fulham, Brentford.
    I’m aware that there are more powerful attackers than him, but a defender must be able to read the danger and use his body either to unbalance him, or run in his path to make him commit a foul, or going shoulder to shoulder, in short to make the life of the attacker difficult. In a hypothetical scenario where Suarez had to stop Arnautovich, I’m sure he would have used tricks he learned on the streets to make him work much harder to score, though Arnautovich is stronger.
    I’ve seen enough of Trent to be of the opinion that managers will target him and they will breach us regularly. However I’ll hold my hands up if Trent proves that I was wrong to doubt him.
    What I would ideally want is for us to get a right back that is pugnacious, is sly, has an excellent positional sense, knows where lies the danger and knows all the dirty tricks to be a nuisance. Making crosses should be a less difficult task than the above.
    Then I would move Trent to midfield, a midfield of Trent, Fabinho and Hendo for example would make me quite confident even in a big final.
    Won’t happen though, so fingers crossed that I’m wrong for feeling pessimistic with our current set up.

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    MrMakaveli
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    Milners cross for Lovrens goal was incredible but on a day to day basis, Trent is a world above him and anyone else at the club. It isn’t just lofty crosses, it’s most types of passes too, when required anyway. I say this because he’s been coming inside more and will be continuing to do so more and more this season.

    If Trent was as bad as you say, why is he one of the most nailed on player for his position in the team?

    Klopp has had 5 years to replace him but there’s never been a sniff of him thinking about it.

    It’s because Trent is one of the most important players on the pitch. We wouldn’t have won the PL or CL without him.

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    It’s because Trent is one of the most important players on the pitch. We wouldn’t have won the PL or CL without him.

    Can’t disagree with that, however, things rarely stay static in football, managers work out players weaknesses over time.

    When we won the CL and Pl, Mane, Salah and Firmino were not only working for each other but at the peak of their collective power, Hendo was also younger, Gini was a machine and we used to blitz teams. Salah and Mane slowed down a bit the last two seasons and teams can mount some attacks of their own where previously they were asphyxiated from the first minute.

    As for Klopp never thinking of replacing him, I guess there is a bit of sentiment there.

    Anyway let’s wait and see how things develop.

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    Razor
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    Unless Trent gets injured and Ramsay/Mabaya (unlikely at this point) come in and play one hell of a blinder, there’s absolutely 0 chance that Trent is going to be dropped.

    Besides, if the rest of the team were doing their job, such an opportunity wouldn’t have presented itself to our opponents in the first place. Now I’m not defending how abysmal Trent’s defending was. He was marking someone else but that lost that man as well. But watching that goal back, 1. The cross could have been blocked with a more convincing challenge. Robertson’s closing down is half-hearted at best. Mitrovic is allowed at least 20-30 yards of space to attack in front of Trent. Henderson is the player who should have been closest and picked up the runner. He is not even in the camera shot and nowhere near the box. That space is completely vacated by the player you’d expect to be maintaining the team’s shape. 3. You do not expect Alisson to let in a goal from that angle. He fell on his backside instead of making what should have been a routine save for him. Trent’s by far is the most comical but in this case there were a bunch of other major errors as well.

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    Managers are targeting our defence by breaking their shape and then everybody start to enter a mini panic mode, because perhaps we are supposed to be a team which is always on the front foot and is not expected be be scrambling at the back.
    I think those who want a more pragmatic approach are not so out of sync with what needs to be done, I’m talking about the high line.
    Yes we’ve done well with that approach but as I said earlier, Mane, Fimino and Salah of few years back were simply unplayable, VVD and Hendo were younger, the despicable pickford hadn’t done his damage yet, Gini was here and at his peak. Now we may be seeing managers getting more joy when they are targeting some of our less strong points, whereas before they were just concentrating on trying to stop our front three from running riot.

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    threeps
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    Pretty sure managers never just concentrated on stopping our front 3, they would have known our weaknnesses and tried to exploit them same as now. And you want to ditch the high line after one game of the season away to a newly promoted side? And play what long ball? Direct counter attack? Possession? Completely change what Klopp has the team working towards for the last few years.

    Not seen any mini panic mode either. We had a bad game, everyone does at some point. This calendar year I think we’ve only dropped points in something like 4 games yet a lot of people seem to be panicking themselves.

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    I’m not panicking, quite weird that you read panic in my rather matter of fact and the sober tone of my posts?
    It’s always advantageous to look at possibilities and not assume that tactics should be set in stone.
    I guess with hindsight Klopp would have loved to see the underlying signs that were pointing to a slump in his Dortmund side so that he could have avoided the rather underwhelming last season there?

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    I used the word panick because you did in your post which I was rather weird that you came to that conclusion of our defence. And that you then suggest a complete change in tactics after 1 draw for a team that was 2 games from history last season (and 2 games from nothing before anyone says), does suggest a slight air of panick more so than I see in our defence!

    Klopp is always developing his tactics nothing is set in stone but to drop the high line would be tactical suicide.

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    MrMakaveli
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    Can we go back to this game and then the other one won’t have happened yet?

    I didnt read anything about dropping the line but ya lol…

    Why don’t we just fire Klopp?

    Jesus christ like…

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