General Manchester United Chat

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    homerjay540
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    @moral, if Forest get promoted can we not keep Garner and loan them McFred? 😂😂

    #2095270

    moral
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    @Homer, maybe it was McFred who fought – an acrimonious split……

    #2095272

    moral
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    Just a few hours after Erik ten Hag was thrown into the air by his Ajax players in celebration of their last Dutch league title together on Wednesday, it was back down to earth with a bump for a discussion on how best to fix Manchester United.

    The only long-term United employee of the quartet who met up in Amsterdam was John Murtough, the club’s de facto sporting director, along with Ten Hag, Mitchell van der Gaag and Steve McClaren (whose official arrival is yet to be completed). Murtough is the man effectively steering this ship.

    The manager is in place, but he is just one part of the picture. As a new dawn breaks over Old Trafford, the question now, as before, is what is the grand plan?

    That is Murtough’s job as the most senior member of staff in the football division. His remit is vast, but at some point it all has to come together under one coherent scheme. The ultimate aim is one that any Old Trafford season-ticket holder might identify with: get back to winning Premier League titles and Champions Leagues as United. The question that those with some expertise in the matter must answer is: by what method do they propose to do this?

    Ten Hag is a key part of that, but there is so much more that has to be drawn together: scouting, recruitment, the academy pathway, the training ground, the medical and the sports science aspects of the club.

    All of it eventually is judged in the context of the performance of the first team, but all of it contributes to that end. The shifting of power at United in the last 12 months, the huge number of departures, have left Murtough in a position of enormous power. He has been a key figure in appointing Ralf Rangnick and then Ten Hag. The question now is: what does his plan look like, and how long might it take?

    Perhaps Ten Hag was given some idea during that meeting in Amsterdam. The short-term is about this summer and how United might juggle the first phase, starting to rebuild a squad that has become demoralised and divided. The long-term is about where the club realistically expect to be in three years’ time, and five years and how they expect to get there.

    Not all of it will the manager be able to control, but he will be its public face and, to a large extent, he will stand or fall by its success or otherwise. It goes without saying that the old notion at United that the club would simply continue to thrive, has been well and truly disproved by the past nine years and, as each season goes by, so the roadmap becomes that little bit harder.

    The academy coach Neil Ryan is the latest to depart. He joins those highest-profile departures including Jim Lawlor and Marcel Bout from an enormous scouting department in the process of being streamlined. The coaches Michael Carrick, Kieran McKenna and Martyn Pert all departed in the aftermath of the Ole Gunnar Solskjaer farewell. Of the remaining group, Eric Ramsay is Ten Hag’s choice to join his assistants. At Old Trafford, the latest out is Patrick Coyle, who went under the title of chief of staff, following others such as head of corporate finance Hemen Tseayo, transfer negotiator Matt Judge, and, before that, executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward.

    When Rangnick relinquishes his interim duties, his staff of three will go too, and there will no doubt be more. Football clubs are, by their nature, places of rapid change when circumstances dictate, but this is still a significant moment.

    Murtough answers to new chief executive Richard Arnold, the main conduit to the Glazers. There was no major push from United to appoint a big name from among the directors of football who have built reputations for themselves in the game.

    Dan Ashworth has departed Brighton and Hove Albion for Newcastle United. Michael Edwards will leave Liverpool for a career break after the Champions League final. United have approached Andy O’Boyle, the head of elite performance at the Premier League, but that would be to fill the deputy director of football role, junior to Murtough.

    O’Boyle, who coached at United’s academy 16 years ago, has an expertise in sports science and fitness, and worked in that field at the FA and Liverpool in recent years. If it is to be him or someone of a similar stripe, then it would suggest that part of the club is one that United wish to address with a senior appointment.

    Of the least immediate concern will be their academy, which has been a shining light even through the post-Ferguson era and the FA Youth Cup victory last week will have been a welcome distraction.

    The first post-Ajax meeting with Ten Hag will have been a major milestone in the great rebuild of United, but it really is only one of many along the way.

    #2095556

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    Pleasing to see ETH finish up 6 weeks early with Ajax and fly in to Manchester tmw.
    Can only be a good thing.

    Would be great to get some early business done with ins and outs.

    We will surely know if Ralf will be hanging around too – we know he has the consultancy gig but if ETH isn’t comfortable with him, that gig eill surely be diluted into something akin to an ambassador role.

    I suspect ETH won’t want people in the inner sanctum divulging too much to the voracious media. That being said, Ralf has done a great service off the pitch by publically calling out the shitshow that Ed and Ole left behind them.

    If we don’t match or better West Hams result in the last league game we will play Europa conference.

    #2095608
    killyboye
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    I think he’ll possibly just observe for the next few weeks and get things sorted behind the scenes. He’ll probably talk to the players one on one and outline his vision for that player but I doubt at this point of the season that he’ll take training sessions, I could be wrong though.

    #2095805

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    Great to see ten Hag arrive in Manchester early. Right now the most important thing is that we secure that EL place. Conference League would be a disaster, worse than missing out completely on European football. When the players step out against Palace they will know he is watching their every move. I reckon we’ll see more commitment in that game than we’ve seen all season as the players try to save their ass

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    killyboye
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    I wouldn’t count on it

    #2099325

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    Liverpool legend Jamie Carragher has told new Manchester United boss Erik ten Hag to replace Marcus Rashford, insisting he is ‘not good enough’ for the Red Devils.

    Rashford was one of several United players to struggle this season, scoring just five goals in 37 appearances in all competitions. Anfield hero Carragher is of the opinion that Rashford is ‘not good enough’ for Manchester United and is instead at the level of ‘Arsenal or Tottenham’.

    😂😂 well said Jamie

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    He also said to get rid of Ronaldo, so he doesn’t really know what he’s talking about does he?! 😉

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    killyboye
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    Depends on what style ETH wants to play, it may just be that getting rid of Ronaldo could be a great thing. I don’t think ETH will listen to Carragher though, if Ronaldo goes it will be because ETH wants to get rid of him, not because Jamie Carragher said so.

    #2099408

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    Just means he’s not always right happy, but he is about Gashy 😂😂

    #2099417

    happyhurling
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    First bad season of Rashford’s career and you want him gone. Proper fan eh?! 😂😩😴🤦‍♂️

    #2099426

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    First bad season? Put down the crack pipe mate. And in case you hadn’t noticed, he was worse than bad. He looked conference level and that is generous. He was that bad i was actually feeling sorry for him. And i loved how his team briefed the media that Ralf wasn’t given him instructions when he was coming on. Fucking hilarious. That’s the problem with half these fuckers. Too many fuckers around them blowing smoke up their arses and telling them its not their fault. I’d be more than happy for ETH to move on Ronaldo and Rshford. Think it would put down a great marker early doors

    #2099631

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    Good article by Laurie Whitwell in the Athletic explaining a lot of the madness that happened at the club this year.

    https://theathletic.com/3326843/2022/05/22/manchester-united-inside-ralf-rangnick-spell-interim-manager/?source=emp_shared_article

    #2100396

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    Obviously we have transfers which need sorting, but what else?

    1-Bring in the right players.
    2-Get rid of as much crap as possible, loan out if possible.
    3-Get rid of people like Phelan and Fletcher and Carrick. No more of this old boys club bollocks.
    4-Start sorting out the academy.
    5-Get the right people in for the required roles.
    6-Don’t let Fergie stick his oar in.

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    Ragnick not staying on as a consultant after all… Clear as day that the situation at united is so messed up behind the scenes that he wasn’t bothered to try solve it.

    #2100464

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    I think there are probably two reasons RR won’t be at the club next season, neither of which are directly attributable to him. Firstly, I’m not sure Ten Hag wanted him. Secondly, and more importantly, I think the revelations he made about the state of the club and the inadequacy of the players has been so unpalatable and embarrassing to the club’s hierarchy, that they’ve decided to fuck him off asap.

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    killyboye
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    Mostly your second reason I reckon

    #2100691

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    I think it’s more that ETH didn’t want/need him. And maybe RR has already done enough to help change the structure of the club behind the scenes. He repeatedly said his consultancy role would focus on recruitment. So i think ETH just said don’t worry about it i know what types of players we need to recruit.

    #2101202

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    Andy O’Boyle, head of elite performance at the Premier League has rejoined the club coming in as deputy football director

    Structures of the club starting to take shape but would be nice to get more specifics on his and Darren Fletcher’s (technical director) roles going forward

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