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  • #1679367

    nine nine nine
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    Very good post 1905. Pointless for us all to be continuously moaning on here about what we’ve got as strikers,we are where we are and we just have to make the most of what we’ve got at least until January or most probably next Summer.

    I remember when according to many on here we just had to buy Sanchez and pay him what he wanted but he’s struggling at United whilst allegedly pocketing £500,000 a week maybe Sarri can still get a tune out of Morata and Giroud in the same way he did out of Mertens because going into the transfer market doesn’t always provide the solution.

    #1679548
    Wise-fan
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    Since we are no longer the ones that are calling the shots. The only thing we can do is to moan. And isn’t that what this forum is all about? I don’t know why some would attempt to take shots at me. I have stated my fears and so far i have seen nothing to dispell that. The era of a target man is over at this club. We are trying to play football. And so far what we need is a striker who can put the ball in to the net not a target man who can hold the ball only. And you can’t use France as example. The two coaches has different philosophies. Besides that against West Ham we did everything other than put the ball in to the net. Well we will face so many of those kind of tactics this season. And with Europa in the mix. I’m not feeling comfortable unless we use the squad. For example Kane was the product of th Europa League run. And since Tammy Abraham have similar characteristics, it would have been wise to use him in the Europa. Who knows if that may have saved the club a £100m that we may have spent with a new striker.

    About the Sanchez issue and that jab at me. Everyone knows that his problems are more to the system than ability. Swaping from a fliud possession based system to a more rigid defensive minded system is very tough. Even if Messi is playing in this system he would suffer similar fate. If Sanchez had been playing for Pep, Klopp or Sarri you will see a different player. I would rather have him than Willian.

    #1679576

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    Nothing from me was aimed at you directly at all and I do not think I ever have

    However, I disagree that the forum is about moaning but rather constructive debate which does not always have to be negative

    Personally, I think it is far to early in the reign of Sarri to know what has changed and what might change in the future as he has not been with the Club for long and probably needs another couple of decent windows to really construct the squad he specifically wants. This is an evolving project and while we have started better than I ever expected we will face issues along the way

    Tammy is on loan so could not have played and this does come back to Sarri and his decision to only retain 2 out and out strikers, neither of whom are prolific. However, if the pressing game works and the creativity from Hazard and Jorginho continues then maybe the strikers will actually get their fair share of goals…?

    Bearing in mind that I am sure that Sarri’s number 1 target is to qualify for the CL next season he is doing well and the players are adapting quickly as well. Still a way to go but early days yet I would suggest…? KTBFFH

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    CFC1905

    I think you misunderstood my post above. That reponse wasn’t directed at you. Besides while you may be right with your assertion that the forum is for constructive its also a place that we use to vent our frustration in my opinion.

    Any let us hope that we don’t lose to Liverpool.

    #1679590

    nine nine nine
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    Wise fan, “About the Sanchez issue and that jab at me.”

    Really? Seriously?

    Please don’t come back on here with all of your nonsense again this is what I actually said in my post “I remember when according to many on here we just had to buy Sanchez and pay him what he wanted but he’s struggling at United whilst allegedly pocketing £500,000 a week”.

    Now what do you not understand about the meaning of the word “many” so it clearly wasn’t aimed at you I can’t even remember who exactly was canvassing for us to sign Sanchez but I know quite a few where!!!!!!

    If we are going to return to all this silliness from you again perhaps you would be better remaining on the main site.

    #1679592
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    Ok Nine i took it. And i apologise it any offence that i caused.

    #1679593

    nine nine nine
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    Wise fan, you haven’t caused any offence to me and there is no need to apologise but we are not going to return to all the silliness of the past on here.

    You can post your opinions whatever they may be and the more the merrier posting on the Chelsea site as far as I’m concerned but please don’t try and start up all of these silly confrontations again based on absolutely nothing at all.

    #1679715
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    Ok Nine i have understood what you said. But i can’t remember if there is another poster who is forced to defend what they post. I will post whatever concerns me. As long as they are not contarary to the forum rules with zero intention to offend anyone. I have no intention to confront anybody, if any its the opposite.

    #1679779
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    That would be me and rest assured whenever I read that supposedly we have no plan I will respond accordingly. 5 wins and a draw = no plan? Do not insult my club, its employers or even its supporters with such dross. God forbid if we have an unfortunate result against Liverpool, the world will be over as we know it.

    #1679792
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    I will not respond to you. The floor is yours.

    #1679793
    chelsea1967
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    #employers should read employees in above post

    #1679812
    chelsea1967
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    you will not respond simply because you cannot justify such a comment. There is obviously a plan and Sarri has it in place and up and running. If you mean a Plan B then it can be debated. If plan B say Plan B not just plan.

    #1679813
    whoisbeni
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    I’m looking forward to seeing the upcoming double header between our clubs. It’s likely we will both learn more about our sides after these, particularly the game on Saturday when both sides will be at full strength.

    I’ve been impressed with Sarri so far, he seems a real football man rather than a showman or someone searching for the limelight – and this weekend will tell us more about him and whether Klopp is on the right track or just been a bit lucky so far.

    #1679814
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    Regardless of whether i can justify or not responding to you always ends up in trouble. And you know why i said that. The forum is big we will never agree. Infact we can only agree if Chelsea goes on a winning run.so its pointless to quarel here. None of us is calling the shots here or there. Somebody by the name Roman Abrahamovic is calling the shots. Some of the decisions that he takes may not be ultimately correct, but i do understand that they were taken with the club’s best interest at heart.

    Like others i’m not comfortable with our current strike force. We knew that since January. But refused to address. If you think Hazard only can fire us to our targets. I don’t think that way. If you think our squad finished as Champions two of the last 4 seasons. Let us not forget that we also finished outside top 4 in the other two seasons. I wouldn’t want to finish outside top 4 two seasons in a row even if it means winning the Europa. I would rather take a fourth place finish than Europa league win. That said there are rumours that we may field Hazard tomorrow. That could be the second mistake we are making. An injury to him and we are at the mercy of Morata and Giroud. Which means its bye bye to top 4.

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    5 wins in a row was a winning run – work that one out if you can. My issue was that you say there is no plan. All I ask is that you explain that. Not too much to ask surely.

    #1679842

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    Constructive debate for me means expressing thoughts and opinions about anything Chelsea related but hopefully with some logic and credence behind the comment to engage with others on here. It is a football forum and therefore is divisive from the word go and we will never all agree on any given subject but the debate is there to potentially open peoples eyes to another way of looking at a given topic

    I would argue that any manager has to have a plan but the fact of the matter is that Sarri has only been in the job a couple of months now and has a lot of catching up to do in terms of getting his ethos across to the team (and the fans) and for us to be consistent in all of our games. He has had a very good start but like he himself says, we are far from the finished article which is why games like the one coming up this weekend provides a yardstick to see how far we have progressed and how far we have to go

    Actually think this weekend is a win win for Chelsea because worst case scenario is we get spanked and yet we simply turn around and say we are a work in progress and Klopp has had 2 years longer than Sarri to develop his team..? KTBFFH

    #1679847

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    Anyway, back to the original thread, I think the Wham game was a bit of an eye opener not only for Sarri but potentially for players like Jorginho

    He is currently getting all the plaudits and is charged with basically starting anything positive going forward with a view to opening up the packed defences that we are going to face more and more as the season progresses

    Possession and patience is all well and good but we also need that extra creativity and potentially width to open up these defences. Wham were well organised and kept their shape well. Cardiff was similar but for me, we had that extra urgency and pace in our game which was lacking against Wham. I would also argue that so far our substitutions appear to be more like for like changes rather than someone to actually make a difference and change the options on the pitch. Maybe that is not a bad thing as it allows for continuity whomever we play…?

    Anyway, it seems to me that we have the ability but we need to play with a degree of intensity that was missing against Wham. KTBFFH

    #1679857

    nine nine nine
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    Wise fan, you would do well to study the posts of 1905 and take on board some of what he says and the way he says it as it would save you getting yourself into some of the scrapes you get into which are very much self created.

    As I said previously I’m very happy to see you back posting on the Chelsea site again the more the merrier posting on the Chelsea site imo but already you are beginning to cause problems and I do not want to see a return of what we went through last season from you. Hopefully you will take that on board. Cheers 999

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    chelsea1967
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    Wise Fan regarding the comment “The era of a target man is over at this club. We are trying to play football. And so far what we need is a striker who can put the ball in to the net not a target man who can hold the ball only.”

    Hazard has stated that he enjoys playing with Giroud up front with Giroud holding the ball up and laying it off to the likes of Hazard creating chances. Guess we need to listen to Hazard and keep him happy and productive then.

    I sill believe and hope that Morata just needs a goal or two to reignite his confidence. 2nd half a week or so back he took a good chance only to be called off side and it, for mine, was a dubious decision as I believe he was, at worse, level. He took that chance very well too.

    No doubt Chelsea will be in the market for a prolific striker in one of the next two windows.Until then, nowt we can do about it so no point in constantly raising that issue.

    #1679976

    nine nine nine
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    1967, all these discussions are redundant mate everyone needs to come to terms with what we have is what we’ve got at least until January probably until the Summer.

    Hopefully Sarri can make the Hazard/Giroud partnership flourish between now and then. Cheers 999

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