Heartbreak

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    happyhurling
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    Hard to disagree Roygbiv.

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    Blacky
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    Ole’s fate was already signed and sealed before a ball was even kicked this season in my view. Even the completely football ignorant Woodward and the gimps must have realised by the end of last season that Ole was being asked to do a job that was several levels above his potential and pay grade as a manager and that they had made yet another monumental error in rushing to give him the job full time when there was absolutely no need to do so at that time.

    What happened in the transfer window only reinforced that view, to leave the squad so short of quality in midfield, on the wing and up front would be criminal if the board involved had 100% faith in the manager and were doing all they could to support him to have the best possible chance of competing for honours. This clearly isn’t the case, and that’s because they knew that he was already a dead man walking.

    This will only play out one way in the end, it’s Just a matter of time now, simple as that.

    #1790070

    happyhurling
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    Blacky does talk a load of shite most of the time! 😉
    But every now and again he comes up with a prediction that, whilst hard to swallow, is absolutely spot on. He was right with Mourinho when he said “there’s no way he can turn it around from here” and whilst i didn’t want to believe it – it was correct.
    The prophecy about Ole is probably more obvious but, despite what Macguffin says, Blacky has this one nailed too. It is actually only a matter of time. I don’t want to believe it but, i have to say, there is no way Ole will be presiding over transfers next summer. No way!

    #1790072

    mufc
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    How much would you say needs to be spent in the next 2 windows?

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    @mufc – to challenge the Top Four: 250M NET

    to get the squad to an acceptable level where we can, if we play our hearts out, challenge for trophies: 450M NET

    to get the squad to the correct level of quality to consistently challenge now and in future: 650M NET

    #1790098
    MacGuffin
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    @blacky – Would you say the job was above LvG and JM’s pay grade? It’s an impossible task with this team and is therefore above even Jesus Christ’s paygrade.

    Ole no doubt explained to the board he wanted to sign “young and hungry” which means cheaper players. That must have been music to their ears after JM and LvG who like big money players. And unlike those 2 charlatans Ole is unlikely to mouth off to the press.

    Factors like this may not be in your job qualification criteria for a manager but I’m sure they are in the Glazers.

    And the suggestion the club didn’t support Ole in the transfer market because they knew he was a “dead man walking” is ridiculous. Isn’t it possible they didn’t support him because they are tight bastards? They didn’t support JM last summer either.

    What are you saying, the board decided instead of firing Ole (who would cost peanuts to fire), getting a new manager they could support in the market and making top 4, they decided to deny Ole funds, wait a season to fire him and miss out on top 4 again?

    I think he’ll keep his job if the media and fans dont turn against him for the simple reason he’ll do a Fergie praising the club and won’t moan to the press about spending.

    #1790107
    HailMartial
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    Mourinho was sacked for a lot less in terms of performances while Moyes was sacked for similar. I think the writing is on the wall for Ole now, and if the media are feeling (fuelling) it, the fans are feeling it, then the board certainly are. Impossible to say when but after the Liverpool game is when I am betting Ole will be removed from the hot seat.

    The reality is that if we lose to Liverpool, in just ten games, we will be 18 points behind the league leaders, potentially 8 points behind fourth place, and anywhere between 13th and 18th in the league. If you are Sir Alex Ferguson, you can be forgiven and trusted to steer the club out of the slump they’re in. I don’t believe you can with Ole, despite any good work he has done for the club behind the scenes.

    #1790108

    Blacky
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    @Mac – Not going to get into a long debate about it, that’s my take and we’ll see how long it takes to pan out,one way or the other. Already stories about saying that it we lose at Norwich in a few weeks time he will be sacked.

    PS The media have already largely turned against him, and the fans are on their way to doing so as well. You also have the club’s sponsors who won’t expect to have their precious brands to be associated with such a shit show with the millions they are putting into the club, simple as that.

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    yorkshireman200
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    #1790163
    redblood
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    One thing is for sure,this shit show has to stop-sooner rather than later.And it starts with the manager,it simply has to.We cant have fucking Crystal Palace ahead of us and playing better football than us.

    #1790168
    steveosnakeeye
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    We cant have fucking Crystal Palace ahead of us and playing better football than us.

    especially when you took there 2nd best player and best defender 😉

    #1790176
    redblood
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    Buffy-How much for fucking Mesut Ozil?

    #1790182
    steveosnakeeye
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    is that a knock at us or you actually want him in the squad? 😉

    #1790213

    hookeddevil
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    DDG, AWB, Lindelof, Maguire, Shaw, McT, Pogba, James, Lingard, Rashford, Martial.
    That’s probably Ole’s preferred lineup when everyone is fit. 6 of them were missing against Newcastle, it’s not surprising that we got a bad result is it?
    Take out 6 of Klopp’s preferred starters and I expect they’d be in the shit as well. City are missing 2 center backs and are struggling to meet their usual standards. We know our squad needs improving so it’s no surprise that we’re struggling when we’re missing some of our best players.
    I hope there’s some sort of behind the scenes analysis going on to find out why we are so susceptible to injuries. These crisies seem to be a theme throughout LVG, Mourinho and now Oles time at the club. Something’s not right, we’re like Arsenal when Wenger was in charge

    #1790227

    Blacky
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    @hooked – Unfortunately mate, when you start mentioning missing players and bring the likes of Lingard, Lindelof Shaw and the rest of them into the equation all you are doing is putting lipstick on a very big fat ugly pig.
    Fact is, these players have played the majority of our games since it all went tits up under Ole way back in March, so what’s the excuse for that?

    More recently, there was also no injury crisis when we were shite in the Wolves and Palace matches earlier this season, so again it just doesn’t stack up I’m afraid. It’s more a case that the so called first eleven doesn’t contain enough quality within it so that it is clearly superior to what we have in reserve, and that’s the unpalatable truth.

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    roygbiv
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    hookeddevil, even with those 6 players the team is not good enough for even a top 4 place.

    #1790243

    hookeddevil
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    That’s the joy of opinion I guess. I think, with the first 11 I mentioned, we can qualify for the top 4. The rest of the division just isn’t that good either. Things couldn’t have gone much worse for us recently and we’re still only 5 points off the top 4. It doesn’t take much to make that up, even losing to Liverpool is a maximum of 8 points off the top four. It’s entirely possible to make that up.

    #1790281

    Blacky
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    @hooked – Only recently you stated that we would only drop another 30 points all season, which would see us ending up with 77 points come the end of the season.
    That means we now need to gain 68 points from a possible 90 that are left, which is title winning form most seasons. I don’t see how even the most deluded of observers can see this sack of shite outfit getting anywhere close to that number, even if everything goes our way with injuries and form, it’s just an impossibility.
    Always remember, ‘its the hope that kills you’.

    PS We might ‘only’ be 5 points off top 4, but that’s still 3 points more than we are from the relegation zone!

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    United’s management should know that injuries are part of any season (especially when you have the likes of Shaw, Bailly and the like in the team) so they should have built a squad to plan for such injuries, or not have gotten rid of certain players without replacement definitely coming in.

    #1790321

    hookeddevil
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    – The average number of points accrued by the fourth-placed team in the 21 seasons since the Premier League switched to a 20-team format is 68.24 points. 60 points the lowest and 79 points the highest of any team to finish fourth (as of 20).
    Just another 60 points needed – so I guess it’s death by hope for me!

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