HIDDINK

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  • #792893
    Blaze
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    In all honesty I never really rated Hiddink -yes he was successful last time he was here and he had a bit of success at certain clubs but he brings no new ideas, he selects the same team that failed under Mourinho and I am not sure why he believes they would perform any better, I have not seen much improvement at all and he did the same last time he was here but then it worked cause of the type of players we had operating as the spine, we dont have these guys no more so he is chancing his arm, total lack of ideas or vision, may as well kept Mourino or appointed Holland as interim manager.

    #792917
    notnice
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    I totally agree Hiddink is a real stubborn man- surely he can see his not going to get anywhere with this bunch, that the end of our top 6 hopes never mind top 4, in fact we are now still in danger of a relegation dogfight as the bottoms teams are picking up

    #792965

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    We have under our noses become a bottom half team. A number of players haven’t faded away they have fallen of the cliff. Last night we often out muscled and second to the ball. At times we lack movement going forward and I wonder if that is because it has been coached out of us by Jose who preferred to maintain the team shape. I think we need to buy in January if only to brighten up the place with a coup
    E of new enthusiastic faces. Don’t understand why RLC isn’t being played with his power and skill and Kennedy should also be picked ahead of Pedro who is clearly struggling with the pace of this league and through not being surrounded by the likes of Messi, Xavi and Iniesta. I don’t think we will go down but top we can forget. If we want CL next year we will have to win it -it’s been done before!!!!!

    #793019

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    Gibblue – while Pedro was awful last night I did not think that Kenedy made much of an impact when he came on. He did well in respect of the goal and made some tricky little runs but did not look up, gave the ball away far to easily and basically his decision making was woeful

    Now possibly that is down to youth and maybe some exuberance after being involved in the goal but for me it shows exactly why sometimes the youth are not picked ahead of the experienced players as composure is required in certain circumstances

    Expected RLC to start and would have preferred to see him instead of Matic but based on my comments re Kenedy I can understand Hiddink going for the experienced Matic to see the game out

    Does that make Hiddink wrong or stubborn – not sure. KTBFFH

    #793028

    nine nine nine
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    Hiddink took over a car crash in fact several car crashes and is having to put the pieces back together and is currently unbeaten.

    This team/squad is much better than where they currently are but they share the responsibility for getting themselves into this mess.

    Nobody gives you anything in the PL you have to work to earn it and stay fully concentrated for the full 90 plus minutes, WBA under Pullis are no mugs and have recently beaten Arsenal and almost beaten Liverpool at Anfield.

    Chelsea need Hazard back fit and playing to somewhere near his potential and whilst a new signing or two would might be helpful in January and might givr the squad a lift there’s no point in panic buying a player now that we wouldn’t be interested in buying in the summer and who whoever is the new Manager in the summer might not want.

    Top 4 is probably mission impossible but Hiddink is right not to give up on it until it is mathematically impossible to achieve.

    #793043

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    One aspect of our play that has always infuriated me is the way we always tend to try and defend a (slender) lead with 10-15 minutes left to play

    When I look at teams like City, historically ManU, Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs, i.e. the top teams we should be rivalling, their attitude is to go and win the game or when leading just score more goals

    Once we took the lead last night we bought on Matic (normally this is the role for Mikel) to see the game out. We dropped deep and because of our lack of confidence we panicked and could not clear the ball and ultimately this led to their equaliser

    In certain circumstances I can understand this but for me I would much prefer to be adventurous, bring on Remy and go for it which makes the opposition think twice about just pushing forward. We completely lost the initiative last night and although harsh in the extreme, WBA got what they came for but it was down to us more than them. KTBFFH

    #793061
    steveosnakeeye
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    Sorry CFC, you cannot bracket Arsenal in that way at all, i WISH! but as we did last night yet again, slender lead and we were on top then we made defensive substitutions to hold on and invited more pressure and was unable to, only team to act the way you say consistently was United under fergie, though even then not in his last season

    #793199

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    Hi Steve – I would say that historically we could but maybe Wenger has become more pragmatic over the years…?

    As I said, in certain games it is expected and possibly last night was one of them as I think if Arsenal had won many punters would have felt they were favourites to win the league but by dropping the points the door is still open for City. KTBFFH

    #793205

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    999 – I don’t think I have seen a more physical, negative team than WBA in many years

    Agreed it is up to us to stand up to them but players Pedro could not deal with the physicality and it made him look poor last night. I thought Costa did well as he was taken out off the ball at least 3 times and I was impressed how he kept his cool

    At times we played some good football and probably should have scored more but while our confidence remains fragile we will always expect to make mistakes at the back – historically our strength

    Not sure if purchases in January are the answer, especially when I read some of the names we are linked with, but it is true Jose did Hiddink no favours in what he inherited and although we remain unbeaten under him we clearly still have a way to go before we can state we are back. KTBFFH

    #793274
    Amz
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    Blaze I completely disagree. Hiddink is a good manager and he is doing the best he can with the squad we have. Bear in mind we haven’t lost a game yet, irrelevant of who we have played. Players confidence is starting to pick up slowly.

    #793676
    Blueowner
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    Amz I think the questions about Hiddink is why is he still selecting basically the exact same team that let the fans and Mourinho down, wheres the tact, imagination and vision to improve the team and if he has no choices why have they not bought in new players-the longer you wait the more points we could drop.

    #794117
    liquidator
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    Disappointing result last night, and we paid the price for defending too deep once we went into the lead. I thought bringing Matic on was the right thing to do, but that doenst mean you should surrender 80% of the pitch and play the game in your own penalty box, because if that happens, your clearances are just coming straight back at you and who knows, the ball might deflect to an oppo player on the edge of the box who sticks in a worldie!

    However, for me the story of the night was one of the feeblest refereeing displays I have seen for a long time. Everyone with a passing interest in the English game, knows what Pulis sides do, and the ref just allowed WBA to get on with it. It actually crossed my mind the ref thought you can only foul with your feet and legs, and WBA should be allowed to do any amount of pushing, pulling, tugging, wrestling, and whatever else they can and did do with their arms and hands. Unbelievable! Jakob should have been sent off in the first half, and I was stunned that he was let off a second yellow card twice, as indeed was Pulis, judging by his prompt substitution of him after his third yellow card offence. And dont get me started on Olsen, who appeared to be a liberty to do whatever he effing wanted to without punishment.

    We actually played some great football in the first half, and I thought our first goal was wonderful, from the point of Ivanovic holding off Mclean in our half, to the sweeping move up the field, to Ivanovic’s fantastic cross, to Azpi putting it in the net, but ultimately it counts for nothing, if you allow an inferior side to dominate you late in the game.

    #794150

    nine nine nine
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    1905, a typical Pullis team that pushes all the boundaries and as the liquidator rightly says a Ref that let it all go unpunished.

    I agree with you about January signings and imo the measurement should be would we sign them next the summer.

    Like you I think we’ve got a few holes in the squad that need filling and I think that there are question marks currently against a number of players which will have to be addressed over the next few windows plus hopefully via some of our best young players. Cheers 999

    #794594

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    Liquid and 999 – even Gallacher in his analysis cannot understand why Jacob was not sent off

    I agree that at times we played some really good football and when we get our noses in front it is so obvious to see the confidence oozing back and the flicks start coming off

    Personally, and this is with hindsight, I probably would have bought on Remy to make them think twice about pushing so many bodies forward but regardless dropping so deep when we are not good this season defensively is simply asking for trouble

    Hopefully some lessons to be learnt with some possible changes for Saturday as Everton (as always) will be a tough nut to crack. KTBFFH

    #794618

    nine nine nine
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    1905, Pullis by subbing Jakob demonstrated how concerned he was about Jakob being sent off and he knows it was very fortunate they got away with it.

    14 shots and only 2 on target tells its own story again sadly.

    Disappointing because we really should have earned ourselves 4 additional points from the Watford and WBA games.

    #794621

    nine nine nine
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    ….Everton will be a tough one too and then comes Arsenal.

    #794633
    aindro
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    While I understand fans frustration that we failed to win at home (especially against a team that’s just above us in the table): Hiddink IMO brought new freshness to Chelsea. Look at how faded we were under Mourinho, it was clear that players did not want to perform under Mourinho.

    Now Costa started to find the net, and the defense started to be better. My only complain to Hiddink would be his reluctance to give opportunities to youth players. For me forget the top 4, top 6 or anything, we are at the moment too far behind. I would prefer preparing the team for the future or at least next season, starting by giving minutes to young players.

    Pedro, my opinion hasn’t changed. He was a replacement at Barça, and we bought Barça second class players (not Messi not Suarez not Rakitic etc). Why? We should be in the same bracket as them (or at least we were last season, we were EPL champion). Except his speed, Pedro has nothing to offer to Chelsea. Cannot defend, cannot play with the ball like Hazard (when he was on-fire), cannot score. Bad acquisition. We only made bad acquisitions last summer: Pedro, Baba (who is not ready but 18m), Djilobodji (hasn’t played a match), no need to talk about Falcao and we missed the good ones like Stones.

    Now Hiddink needs to rebuild the squad, it isn’t an easy job.

    #794993
    Amz
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    Some of you are complaining about lack of ideas…why were you not complaining against Palace? The same players played pretty much.

    While Hiddink didn’t change the players, he changed the dimension of play by allowing both full backs to really bomb forward, which is why Azpi got his goal.

    He brought on Kennedy at half time for Pedro. The only one change he could have done is bring on RLC instead of Matic.

    Fickle!

    #795008
    Amz
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    I’m not sure what everyone is expecting but don’t expect Chelsea to go on a long winning streak – as much as it pains me to say. Hiddink has to build momentum and remains undefeated. This season is a write off, while 11 points is catchable, its only catchable by going on a title winning run which is beyond us this year. We won’t win the Champions League because you need confidence to win it so the FA Cup is a fairly reasonable target (and before you say we won the CL last time, we had born winners – Cech, Drogba, Lampard).

    #795101

    nine nine nine
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    Amz, all great points mate.

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