October 28, 2015 at 9:30 am #684199
As I said Syd ” only the foolish”!October 28, 2015 at 10:07 am #684262
the Chelsea success is due to Roman who of course is a great man and who made and created his own rag to riches story which none of us are capable of-most managers will succeed at Chelsea in any event with Roman at the helm unless you are a bit of an idiot. Porto, Inter and Madrid are always expected to succeed and always have and still do years before Mourinho was around and still now without him. Obviously Mourinho is a decent manager but not worth all the many problems he brings to the clubs which many of us predicted and have come true beyond expectations or should say beyond all the “bad expectations”.October 28, 2015 at 10:25 am #684298
Moos Porto or Inter have got close to winning the Champions league then after Mourinho left?October 28, 2015 at 10:46 am #684361
Whilst i dont always agree with Wilsonian infact i never agree with him. He does make a very good point regarding Jose. Jose has always been at a club that is either the top team in that country or the team that is spending the most in that league or both. He has never had it any other way. Winning what he has won is a great achievement that cannot come into question, how hard it was and how hard it tested his managerial abilities is out for debate as he has had it easier, ALOT easier than others. This season for me will define how good a manager Jose is. Currently 11 points behind after 10 games, this is no small gap to bridge, it can be done but it will be a test.October 28, 2015 at 10:47 am #684367
Mourinho left Inter with an ageing squad. Of the team that took to the field in the CL final, only Muntari, Sneijder, Balotelli and Mariga were younger than 29. So the next year, Rafa comes in, and of his 18 best players, 14 of them are 30. Clearly Inter are entering into a rebuilding phase, and Jose left absolutely no contingency plan at all.
For a manager to be a true success, he needs to leave behind a legacy, and make it easier for his successor. Rafa’s Inter Milan were a project.October 28, 2015 at 11:27 am #684448
So you’re saying Mourinho managaing Inter to their greatest ever season was wrong and bad management? He should have sacrificed that?!
How many years of “rebuilding” would arsenal sacrifice for a treble and their first european cup?October 28, 2015 at 12:58 pm #684586
Syd, those of us that have been around this site for a while know you to be a Wenger out/Wenger in kind of a guy flip flopping between the two dependent on results let’s not pretend that you have been supportive of Wenger in the poor times and were happy to see him building a legacy because you weren’t and you were wanting him out as recently as the beginning of this season!October 28, 2015 at 1:19 pm #684619
all managers are more or less as good as the power behind them-the most succesfull managers have always been at the richest clubs where they basically have an open cheque book. Its common sense, even most of us could be succesfull if we had that kind of money to invest into the team we are managing. Obviously there are some who dont fit in and are a bit too clever for their own good that do fail at the top rich clubs but they will then be succesfull at another top club where everything suits them. Its not about being a great manager its simply a clubbing together of good luck and financial powerOctober 28, 2015 at 1:24 pm #684625
Hulk, not a chance of Chelsea bridging the 11 point gap City are far too good a side to let Chelsea anywhere near them even should Chelsea eventually get their act together.
Achieving a CL place would create PL history for Chelsea given where they were after 8 games because no team in the history of the PL have ever come back from such a position to claim a CL place and that’s the size of the task now facing Chelsea.
Far too easy to write Mourinho’s managerial achievements off as just being down to money LVG has spent significantly and still may not win the PL this season, Porto were a very small budget club when compared to the European giants yet still son the CL simalarily Inter worked on a considerably smaller budget to all of the major clubs in the CL yet against the odds Inter still won it for the first time since 1965 and overcoming Barcelona and winning La Liga competing against the best club team football has probably ever seen was a significant achievement.
Also you are factually incorrect to state that he has taken over the top team in the country not once has he taken over a team who at that time were the top team in the country.
No matter which way you cut it no other Manager currently managing has a record as good as Mourinho’s and that is a fact!October 28, 2015 at 1:58 pm #684673
999, im not doubting his achievements as they are very good. But you cannot sit there and deny he has only managed teams that are of the very top teams in their respective countries or a team that is spending more than anyone else. Porto may have had a small budget but they were the only team competing in Portugal at the time, The CL success was very good and is the only trophy he has won at club level that you possibly wouldnt expect his team to compete for.
There is every chance you can bridge that gap, City whilst looking good for the title now have it in them to capitulate just like arsenal. If Jose is the best manager in the world like many like to shout then a top 4 finish should be easily accomplished, its not like you dont have the squad.
LVG has spent plenty money but lets face it had they not of spent the money they wouldnt be so high up the league, they have paid over the top for players big time in order to challenge for a top 4 place.
999, jose has a great record, i was simply pointing out that someone else does have a valid point about Jose. and it is valid, he has never managed a team that wasnt geared up to win, that wasnt given every single opportunity to win handed on a silver plate. i know having things doesnt mean you must win but its makes the job so much easier to do. He is a top manager but as i said this season is defining as its the first time he has really been tested as a manager. Personally i think you will still finish easily in the top 4.October 28, 2015 at 2:29 pm #684721
Hulk, top teams yes but not the top teams in the country for instance Porto were 5th in the League when he took them over having finished in 3rd place in the previous season and he promised a League title in the next season and delivered it.
Mourinho has had money to spend at all of his clubs but neither Porto or Inter had budgets anywhere near the top European teams when he led them both to Champions League wins.
Were Porto geared up to win the CL a little over 2 years after Mourinho took them over when they were the 5th placed team in the Portuguese League I am not sure they were.
Hope you’re right though about Chelsea turning it around and claiming a CL place this season. Still think Chelsea have a mountain to climb but we live in hope and the performances are getting better and hopefully the results will follow. Cheers 999October 28, 2015 at 2:50 pm #684748
Mourinho is the master of deflection. When things are going well he doesn’t need to deflect. If they get a bad result he deflects. The problem is when he suffers a run of bad results. He constantly tries to deflect but there is only so much material he has to call upon before his deflecting turns to insanity.
Mourinho lost his 1st ever match against Wenger in the Community Shield so did the handshake incident to deflect. Next game they don’t beat Swansea at home so he deflects the focus onto the team doctor. Then with every new defeat he gets more and more desperate to stop the media and fans talking about his players that his deflection tactics just get more and more bizarre and erratic.
8 defeats in 16 games has sent Mourinho into meltdown.October 28, 2015 at 4:52 pm #684859
999 – Inter were gifted titles due to AC milan and Juve being relegated, They had no competition. Porto was for me his only great triumph. after that he lived off the reputation he carved himself and rightly so, but no we see Chelsea in a situation Morinho hasnt found himself in ever before. It will be a true test of how good a manager he is. Arsenal and Wenger were in a similar situation only a few years ago and turned it around. So it can be done, Chelsea squad is stronger than any other as a whole in the league so it really should not even be conceived that you cant make a challenge still let alone top 4.October 28, 2015 at 5:32 pm #684910
The Hulk, “I am not doubting his achievements they are very good” I thought we were preety much in agreement Hulk?
In Mourinho’s second and final season at Inter he led Inter to the treble for the first time in their history and the European Cup for the first time since 1965 when they were far from being the strongest team in the competition.
I am not saying that Chelsea won’t qualify for the CL just that if they do so they will create history in doing so because no team has come from the position Chelsea were in after 8 games and qualified for the Champions League which is a measure of the task that they face.
The Chelsea squad is strong but whether it is the strongest in the PL is a matter of personal opinion I would say that Manchester City have the strongest squad in the PL by some distance.
Let’s hope you’re right though and Chelsea can turn it around and achieve at least a CL place.October 28, 2015 at 5:41 pm #684919
….by the way AC Milan were last relegated in the 1980’s and Juve weren’t relegated until 2012 long after Mourinho had left.October 29, 2015 at 5:00 am #685360
Jose is a good manager, but the way Chelsea fans talk about him being ‘the best’ is just comical. Why is he the best? Because he engages in a PR campaign to promote himself as the best?
Barcelona wouldn’t touch Jose with a ten foot pole. Arsenal could never hire Jose to manage the club. I dont think Bayernwcould go near Jose as well. Nor would Man United. Real Madrid have learnt their lesson. There are not many top European clubs who would be willing to take Jose on.
I would say Inter would have him back, PSG might hire him. But if he gets sacked at Chelsea, I would say Jose is finished in England and Spain for many years. He would have to linger in France and Italy – away from where the action is in England, Spain and Germany.
So we have this manager, who is ‘the best’, yet the pool of top clubs willing to hire him is increasingly thin. Pep is the most coveted manager in the game, although Jose fans will insist its Jose. Jose needs to cling into Chelsea, because clubs are wising to the fact, that he isnt so brilliant to the point he can offer more than Pep, or Ancelotti, or Klopp, or Simione or any of the other top managers in the world.
Here is a list of clubs who wont employ Jose
Chelsea (not should they sack him a second time)
So really, his only options are in Italy and France.
So the ‘best in the world’ is basically black listed from Europe’s top clubs.
Like I said, Jose needs to hang onto his Chelsea post for dear life. Because if he gets sacked. Its off to the France or Italy for many years.October 29, 2015 at 7:26 am #685378
Syd, Chelsea fans can say he’s the best as his record of winning things is essentially second to none. I would also confidently state that the list of top clubs that wouldn’t consider Wenger for their manager is longer than your list for Mouriniho. Because he isn’t capable of winning as much. In the real world that is how things are judged! DohOctober 29, 2015 at 7:47 am #685381
Syd,”Why is he the best? I don’t know but I think it has something to do with the fact that he has won 8 League Titles in 4 different countries including, 7 domestic Cups in 4 different countries, 3 European trophies at two different clubs inc 2 CL and that he is the first Manager to win the Champions League at two different clubs.
If you can’t find me another Manager that can match or beat that who is managing today and you can’t then that makes Mourinho the most successful Manager currently managing and by definition the best, the rest is just empty words similar to your claim that Arsenal are the best team in the PL when they haven’t won a PL title in over a decade!October 29, 2015 at 8:04 am #685405
Like I said, he needs to hold onto this Chelsea job because the list of top European clubs wiling to hire him is thinning out.
Mancity Jim. Your a bit late, as Real Madrid, Barcelona and Bayern have all offered their post to Wenger – he rejected all them, and Real Madrid twice!!October 29, 2015 at 8:24 am #685462
With respect Syd that is all conjecture and you could have come up with the same list for Klopp bar Liverpool a few weeks back, nobody knows who will and won’t come in for Mourinho if Chelsea released him and as always much will depend on which roles are available hopefully it won’t come to that because football wise if Chelsea sack Mourinho there would be few if any available to Chelsea who are as good as Mourinho be it now or in the summer.
Whether Wenger was or wasn’t offered any of the roles you personally suggest it must have been very disappointing for you that he didn’t accept one of them being that you are such a big flip/flopping Wenger in/Wenger out kind of guy depending on Arsenal’s last result and that you wanted him gone again at the beginning of this season!
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