Implementation of VAR

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  • #1815791

    nine nine nine
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    Lenny, I’m not only a long time match going fan but I’m a realist too mate and I don’t think that something that has been implemented across the world by FIFA is going to go away any time soon so the only way forward is for the football authorities to study the current problems with VAR and for them to try and get VAR as perfect as it can be.

    There are both positives and negatives with VAR and the football authorities need to eliminate as many of the negative as possible one of the biggest negatives for me is how it affects the sponaiety of celebrating a goal and the time it takes to review that decision.

    The same applies to reviewing a try in Rugby or whether a Batsman is out in Test Cricket or not the Stadium holds it breath pondering what the decision will be as it does now in football but football is a much more tribal and emotional sport.

    With reference to your comment on the Sheffield United v West Ham game I’m presuming you’re referring to the disallowed West Ham equaliser but that that wasn’t a VAR problem it was a football law problem where the Football authorities changed accidental handball in the lead up to a goal to an offence which seems wholly wrong to me and we can only hope the authorities relook at that and remove it.

    Equally one would hope the Football authorities would look at another major bone of contention with VAR relating to very marginal offside decisions. I’m no expert but Graeme Souness’s suggestion to amend the offside rule to being onside if any part of the body is in an inside position would overcome that.

    Hopefully there will be some amendments to VAR going forwards which we will see implemented next season and will improve it.

    #1815913

    Laughing Lenny
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    FIFA? What are you thinking Nine? How on earth can you count on that corrupt organisation to do anything remotely positive for the good of football! They are bent to the core. Just take a step back and think Sepp Blatter! Say no more.

    FIFA is only interested in one thing and that is financially fleecing football to the bone! It always was and always will be, and the main reason they introduced VAR was to make the greedy bastards even more money!

    Surely you must have noticed that TV is now advertising more and more betting sites during televised games. It’s now saturated with their endless bullshit! And why do you think this is Nine?

    It’s not rocket science mate. It’s simply because their corrupt VAR system can now tip any game towards a nice little earner!

    VAR has nothing whatsoever to do with the good of the game. Nothing!
    It’s a con and it’s wrong!
    Lenny.

    #1815914

    Kingo
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    It’s just another level of bentness in the modern game. Just in case the onfield referee is not quite bent enough. So if Utd and Chelsea, say, are given dodgy penalties, then they’re not even going to consider overturning them.

    #1816207

    Laughing Lenny
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    You’re not wrong Kingo. Our so called ‘Premiere’ League is a farce. There are only a couple of teams that are capable of competing at a similar level anyway. It’s become nothing but an extremely corrupt lucrative cash cow for faceless overseas fat cats. It’s a con job!

    FIFA should be strung up for what have done to the game! They are bent to the core and should be severely punished and disbanded for their actions. The sad fact is though, they won’t be. It’s money that matters.

    The concept of honest endeavour and fair competition in football today is dead. It’s gone.

    RIP, Lenny.

    #1816275

    nine nine nine
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    Lenny, despite Blatter getting caught with his hand in the till FIFA are still rightly or wrongly responsible for setting the rules for football.

    I get you don’t like VAR and I get why you don’t like VAR who does? but suggesting it’s all part of a big betting scam puts J K Rowling’s creative writing skills to shame it’s so implausible.

    VAR isn’t going anywhere mate anytime soon and the best we can hope for is that some of the cracks get filled in next Summer. Disagree with that all you like but a pound to a penny that come the start of next season I think you’ll find that’s the case.

    #1816512

    Laughing Lenny
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    Nine, many thanks for elevating my creative writing skills above the standard of J K Rowling. I’m honoured but really don’t deserve your kudos. However I must admit, even at her age she’s got a far more impressive pair of jugs than me.

    That said, VAR has definitely opened up a new window of opportunity to make money for FIFA. Blatter is just the tip of the iceberg in that corrupt organisation. Just Google ‘FIFA corruption’ and sit back and digest the endless proof of the shady bastards. It’s obscene! There are so many blokes in that corrupt organisation who fleece football to the bone it’s shocking!

    There’s also a WORLD CUP coming up where it should never ever happen. Never ever! But it’s been given the green light nevertheless by these corrupt bastards who have made a fortune out of the farce. There’s loads of them fleecing the life out of the game and the worst of it is, they still have the green light to carry on regardless.

    FIFA should be disbanded. It is a nightmare for the game of football going forward!

    Nine, it’s simply naive to think that a bet on a VAR call is not a given by FIFA these days. With these corrupt bastards, anything is up for grabs!

    Their cancer is terminal!
    Lenny.

    #1816526

    Kingo
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    I often wonder about all the enquiries into Man City’s repeated and brazen breaking of financial regulations, which “could see them thrown out of” European competition.

    They always just seem to go quiet. Wonder why that is.

    #1816680

    nine nine nine
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    Lenny, I agree with a lot of what you say about FIFA but trying to tie VAR into a betting coup conspiracy is pure fiction and just muddying the waters mate.

    Like it or not VAR is here to stay and will be in place next season across all the major leagues what needs to be focussed on now is how can it be improved.

    Firstly I think there needs to be a time out on analysing decisions anything over 60/90 seconds of analysis with no decision coming means it’s not a clear and obvious error.

    Secondly their needs to be greater tolerances built in for offside decisions.

    Thirdly PL Referees need to have the restrictions of refering to the pitch side monitor in order to make the right decision lfted the sense of that could be seen in the Aubemayang incident at Crystal Palace on Saturday.

    Outside of VAR the incident you referred to from last Friday night re the accidental handball from Declan Rice in the Sheffield United v West Ham which as I said in my original post is not a VAR problem but a law problem, that law needs to be reversed prior to next season. Cheers 9’s

    #1817232

    nine nine nine
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    Referee’s to use pitch side monitors re red card decisions a la the Aubemayang decision v Crystal Palace.

    Makes sense.

    Small steps.

    One small step for man but one giant leap for mankind! 😊

    #1817237

    NotoriousBingo
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    Finally the FA wants to do it the right way, its so stupid though, why didn’t they have the refs taking a look themselves from the start?

    #1817335

    Laughing Lenny
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    Good question Bingo. But the fact is mate, the FA have got about as much clue as FIFA. They are both acknowledged brigadiers of no ideas.
    The fact is, a VAR decision will always end up subjective. It’s the nature of the beast. And VAR is one hell of a beast! It’s killing the atmosphere of live games of football all over the country.

    Nine, it may be a small step for mankind, but any small step by FIFA is usually a nice little earner for them!
    Watch this space….

    Lenny.

    #1817362

    nine nine nine
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    More potential good news following on from the decision for Referees to use pitch side monitors for red card decisions from Saturday following on from the Aubemayang incident v Palace last weekend is the news that IFAB are going to review the new accidental handball rule in their February meeting.

    Such is the dislike of VAR that many have mistakenly blamed VAR for the calls that ruled out goals like the West Ham equaliser at Sheffield United but it’s the accidental handball rule change that’s to blame and hopefully IFAB come up with the right decision and bin it from next season.

    Next a bit more tolerance built into the offside rule and things could look a bit brighter all round from next season.

    #1818119

    Kingo
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    Apart from the fact that VAR reviews still get half the decisions clearly and obviously wrong. Sometimes overruling a ref who has, for once, got a decision right. WALOB.

    #1818163

    Laughing Lenny
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    You’re not wrong Kingo. VAR is bollocks and why is that? It’s a FIFA initiative and anything that comes out of that corrupt organisation is as bent as a nine bob note!

    I’m surprised that Nine now appears to be placing his faith in IFAB sorting it all out and improving the disaster. IFAB is of course comprised of our four British football associations (England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland) with one vote each, but FIFA covers the remaining 207 national associations with a vote each and passing any motion requires a three-quarters majority! It could be a hell of a tight call Kingo.

    Let’s hope the bastards don’t vote to use VAR to help make the final decision eh.

    But don’t hold your breath mate.
    Lenny.

    #1818229
    chelsea1967
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    One positive. Had VAR been around in 1986 Maradona would not have got away with cheating. Hopefully that can never happen again.

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    steveosnakeeye
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    we cant be totally sure they wouldnt have awarded it πŸ˜‰

    #1818249

    nine nine nine
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    67 and Stevo, two great posts lads.😊

    #1818261

    Sean the sailor
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    Tma, var saves your lads from a beating on Sunday pal πŸ˜‚

    No were to be seen as usual when the going gets tough

    They even think he’s a tool on his own teams website πŸ˜‚

    #1818265

    nine nine nine
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    Lenny, just for clarification the new handball rule currently implemented and up for review in February is a completely separate situation and issue to VAR.

    IFAB has 8 voters FIFA have 4 votes and the home FA’s have 4 votes and any review of the laws of the game will be led by an IFAB technical committee made up by former Referee’s who will put their recommendations to the IFAB Board for approval.

    Given that the new handball rule differs in the offensive phase and the defensive phase one can only hope that the review planned in February leads to that new handball rule being overturned for next season the fact that the new handball rule is being reviewed in February has to be a positive though because a review has to take place before any rule change is possible. Fingers crossed.🀞

    #1818397

    Kingo
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    Well yes Nines, it is the law that is wrong. But it is the var reviewers who are picking up on it.

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