Is the Club blind?!

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  • #1714581

    nine nine nine
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    Roman@8:37pm only you know what you’re talking about mate.

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    Bort – think you hit the nail on the head by using Bournemouth as an example of integrating youth. As a club, they have no expectations whatsoever apart from staying in the EPL whereas a Club like Chelsea is the complete opposite

    Regardless, it is always down to the manager in situ to play who he feels will win the games he needs to and history has shown since the arrival of Roman that no one has done this on a consistent basis. Maybe one or 2 get a game here or there but it seems to me that under Sarri we are now seeing the likes of Hudson Odoi, RLC, Ampadu and Christensen getting more games than they may have expected under previous regimes

    Not sure yet if the tide is turning or simply that the youth of today is better than what we had before but encouraging signs at least…? KTBFFH

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    nine nine nine
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    “Not sure yet if the tide is turning or simply that the youth of today is better than what we had before but encouraging signs at least…? ”

    Bit of both imo 1905.

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    bort
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    If (as looks increasingly likely) Callum leaves the club, then there’s some serious explaining need to be done. For all those academy players binned off, sold, left out of the squad for meaningless games, left on the bench to bring on a senior player in games already won. When you sign a Bakayoko or Drinkwater but sell Chalobah. When you stall the development of a Kakuta or McEachran with poor loan management and lack of chances. This is the ethos and the narrative of the club, we can just buy who we want, a hired mercenary club with no local foundation, And you know what? The senior management don’t care. They think like the corporate execs at Nike or Yokohama, everyone wants to see big names and flashy promos, they don’t understand that people want to feel connection to their club, their community. The local fans want local lads playing, Lads that have been at club for 10 years before you even hear their name. They are like you, growing up around the club. They’ve done most of this without guaranteed reward, been ballboys and have travelled half way across the capital for training twice a week

    You know something else. This is what happens when you have clubs run by people who don’t come from that community. When you have senior management teams that have no emotional investment in a club and an area. We’re Chelsea, we represent a geographical location not a franchise and this is one of the problems with the globalisation of the game and moving away from local clubs run for local people.

    Lastly we have lots of great fans based all over the world who really understand but we also have some absolute glory hunting toxic plastics.

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    AshCFC
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    Great post Bort. I feel what you are saying.

    #1714860
    Blaze
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    you said it all Bort, hope we can turn all this around for the better we have a players who would go on to cost a fortune in bringing in similar players when theres no need to they right here, obviously you still have to buy a decent player or 2 but then also dont get rid of your best players and then say we need replacements when we have them or even worse will never use the replacements.

    #1714867

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    Bort – good post but I cannot agree with some of it

    Have to agree that something has gone wrong when you suddenly read all the plaudits and outpouring from anyone connected with Chelsea when they suddenly realise their lack of action means they could (will) lose a young player of great potential

    However, my interpretation is that you feel that Chelsea are the only Club run in the way that we do and that all other clubs bring youth through on a regular basis and therefore never spend. I use Arsenal as the best example because under Wenger they were the closest I can think of being a top team who did not buy or certainly not expensive names. However, vven under Wenger that changed as he was under pressure to deliver

    All of the top 6 and others spend money to gain success – it is simply the way that football has developed. Not even sure that we can claim to have started that trend as ManU always bought but certainly we did contribute but then all clubs followed suit as they wanted all the money they could get from Sky so that the EPL has become exactly what it is today – the best and most watched league in world football

    Have we missed a chance with Hudson Odoi – I cannot hand on heart say yes or no but it would certainly seem that way. Should the board or manager have done more – most probably. But we always come back to the need to be successful on the pitch as it is vital as everything else feeds off of that success…?

    Not sure that I have explained myself very well but hopefully you get the drift of me trying to find a balanced response…? KTBFFH

    #1714928
    bort
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    Look at the team Abramovic’s Yes men/woman have built.

    A sterile team that I for one am finding hard to enjoy watching (can’t stand Sarriball), that has no local players playing for it and on top of that has little to no attacking threat. We are watching the worst chelsea team since the early 90’s

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    NIBlue
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    Bort Super post mate👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏🤜🤛🤜🤛🤜🤛👍👍👍

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    Bort – I really do not understand the persistence with playing a local boy?

    Obviously each to their own but I support Chelsea and as such my only desire is to see the team win. I want trophies and league titles and I really do not care if that is done with 11 overseas players in the team that each cost 100m

    Nothing else matters to me at all and as far as I am concerned everything under Roman has been achieved to meet my requirements

    If we can do this by playing entertaining football then so much the better and if some of the team actually come through the ranks then that is an added bonus as we simply save that 100m per player…!!

    I know that we will not agree on this topic and I do not mind and am pleased to see differing views but must admit that I simply do not understand the stance that’s all. KTBFFH

    #1714988

    nine nine nine
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    Loftus Cheek was born in Lewisham 9 miles from Stamford Bridge, Hudson Odoi was born in Wandsworth you don’t get much closer than that to the Bridge and Ampadu is a Chelsea fan from a boy that will do as a start.😊

    #1715171
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    Nine 1905

    CHO and RLC are starting to get a small amount of game time but we are on the verge of losing CHO due to our management of him.

    You need local players or at minimum players of nationality in the starting 11. Recently we have been playing games where neither have featured. The main one that comes to mind is the Tottenham away game in the League where we got thumped. Not one player on the field that day understood the occasion, it was lackluster and uninspiring.

    Just think almost every team in the history of the game has local people playing for their team whether they are from the youth academy or not. In the last 15-20 years we’ve had: Terry, Lampard, A Cole, J Cole. Who did the Chelsea fans love the most? these players because we the fan can relate to those players understand and the fans know that.

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    AshCFC
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    They loved Vialli, Zola, Di Matteo, Cech, Drogba just as much tbf

    #1715191

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    Bort – you state “You need local players or at minimum players of nationality in the starting 11”. My question is why…?

    You highlight the recent Spurs game and no one will argue with you that on that day we were crap. If I am not mistaken we were the first side to field to totally overseas team of 11 players against Soton away if memory serves me correctly and yet we still survived that and continued to win trophies and titles and continue to buy overseas players. nothing wrong with English in the team or coming through the rank but there is nothing that says or proves it has to be a rule we need to abide by

    There is no mandatory requirement at all for this and the fans will love any player in a Blue shirt who does their best for the Club. Your examples are of course legends but equally so are the names provided by Ash. KTBFFH

    #1715197
    NIBlue
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    Bort mate I know exactly where you are coming from. As a supporter you can feel a genuine affliliation with certain players. You can sense a genuine love for the shirt and the club, and many players have not dissappointed over the years as when they are interviewed it is evident that they are genuine Chelsea supporters, even though they have moved on and played for other teams. THat is not as obvious with this present group!!

    However it is a game of opinions and we will not all agree.

    Much of this thread has been about CHO and playing youth.

    Ironically one of the Coaches in the Roman era who was in the top two for giving youth a chance was available when we knew we were letting Conte go.

    Since leaving the club he has enjoyed moderate success across Europe:
    Paris Saint-Germain
    • Ligue 1: 2012–13
    Real Madrid
    • Copa del Rey: 2013–14
    • UEFA Champions League: 2013–14
    • UEFA Super Cup: 2014
    • FIFA Club World Cup: 2014
    Bayern Munich
    • Bundesliga: 2016–17
    • DFL-Supercup: 2016, 2017

    and is now keeping Napoli in their traditional 2nd place in Serie A

    But we’ve got Sarri Ball!!!!

    #1715201
    aindro
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    As a fan who have never set foot in GB (and I am a Chelsea fan since ’90s): I think football (or soccer, depending on which country you are in) club has become an international brand. Chelsea won’t ever play 11 British players anymore on the field. And same as Man Utd, Liverpool or any big team (Juventus, Madrid, Barça …). Not even Bayern, a club that prioritizes buying German talents. When Vialli fielded 11 non-British players, it was the first time ever. And now I believe it’s no stranger that a team fields 11 non-British starter.

    Having said that, I also believe this current team need core players. We had it before in Terry, Lamps, Drogba and Cech. Players who were staying for long time at Chelsea and who were influential. I am hoping Hazard stays true with what he said that he wanted to become a legend for Chelsea by signing the extension and lead the team to the new era. That’s why also it seems to me it’s important to extend the contract of David Luiz. He is a leader. Our new core now should be Azpi, Hazard and Luiz. And we do have some new players who have the potential of being our core like Rudiger, Kanté and Alonso together with British players like RLC and Barkley. I also hope CHO stays to add some British spirit and mentality in the team but seems unlikely.

    #1715202
    bort
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    1905,

    Go through the years all the top teams the ones that win league titles and Champions Leagues have local lads or players of their home nationality playing for them. It crucial to the fabric of the club to have these players.

    #1715277

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    Bort – I am not saying it does not help as you assume that they have the love and affinity for the Club, however, it is not mandatory and I would suggest to you that if you used your same argument you would also find a hell of a lot of overseas players in those teams as well

    Football has moved on and is now a global showpiece and the EPL is better for it

    We still have players today who you feel could go on to have the same kind of affinity with the Club as the core you mentioned from what may be considered as our “golden era” (and I will never dispute with you that these were great players/legends that we had). I am thinking of Dave, Luiz, Kante, potentially Rudiger and of course Eden. Depending on how well they do and if they stay you could consider RLC and Hudson Odoi in that list but obviously far too early to tell (and would be great for your argument)

    Clearly we will not agree on this one and I am sure that as a fan you want the same as me which is for Chelsea to win as much as possible every season. Guess we simply have a different approach to it but as NIB states…”it is a game of opinions and we will not all agree”…? KTBFFH

    #1715281
    chelsea1967
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    I agree with the local derby scenario where the current crop of players may not have that same passion of yesteryear same as JT, Lamps, Ashley Cole did and those lads would have had the face slapping exercises, or something similar, going pre match to motivate the foreigners into a frenzy. Having said that United v City and Liverpool v Everton derbies appear to have the usual intensity notwithstanding the Stevie Gerards, Paul Scholes, Neville brothers, Ferdinands or Rooneys of this world having retired/moved on. Certainly,I believe this current Chelsea squad are missing the leadership of a John Terry and professionalism and passion of a Frank Lampard more than we probably can imagine. Those players are not replaced easily.

    #1715451
    Chelsea.man
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    To be honest with you Bort, yes the club is getting wrong at the moment, but when you analyse generally in the last 15 years, the club go more rights than they got wrong. The only problem i have with the club is that our coaches are denied their targets. Our recent two title winning coaches had suffered similar fate. Winning the league is one thing and defending is another. That is where the club always gets wrong. Because you assume the same players are good enough to defend it which is not true. Other than that the club got every other fooball related thing spot on. And we had our biggest revenue this!

    May be the club are aware about our problem, but are waiting the right solution to come out. You just can’t fill one stop gap to another we need long term solution. Icardi would be my choice. But how likely would Inter Allow him to leave mid season?

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