Is this the beginning of Ole's managerial legacy?

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    happyhurling
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    N1xer – The answer is no on both counts isn’t it. But I can’t be arsed to watch us sack Ole, appoint Pinocchio and then listen to you tell us we need to fire him in a years time…

    #1815062

    N1xer
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    So what you are saying Happy is that this is terminal? No matter who we appoint we’re fucked? You don’t think it may be down to the fact that we have not appointed the right manager? Ole has zero credentials or track record to warrant time and money.

    I’ve never been one to call for managers to be sacked but I’ll tell you one thing, i’d give Poch a lot longer than Ole because he has proved he can build teams and is responsible for turning Spurs in to a force in English football on a shoe string. A lot more than Ole has ever done.

    The problem with the previous managers was simple; Moyes wasn’t up to the task and LvG and Mourinho were past their sell by dates and living on past memories.

    #1815065

    happyhurling
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    N1xer – But we knew Ole didn’t have the credentials for the job when we signed him up. I made the point pretty clearly, MacGuffin shot me down saying he’s exactly what we needed after getting it wrong with the previous 3 managers. The club tried something different, a reset, a step backwards to have a look at how we move forwards again. It was never going to just click and work overnight. There was obviously going to be difficulties, mistakes are happening and will continue to happen. If this change of direction is to be given the time it needs then Ole (who is learning on the job – not very quickly admittedly!) will need a huge summer purge of the club and theb bring in some top quality talent. We then give him a few months of next season to see if there is any sign of improvement before seeing where we go. But the point is that the next manager will, hopefully, inherit a squad that doesn’t have the likes of Jones, Rojo, Matic, young and Mata etc to worry about and can carry on getting the players we need into the club.

    The problem is that the patience with these performances and results is wearing very fucking thin and Ole is increasingly looking like the guy his CV said he was. MacGuffin’s done a runner as he clearly doesn’t want to have to backtrack on what he said about Ole’s appointment and Zico has taken over the site in his smug, delighted way at how shit we are!

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    N1xer
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    Thats all well and good Happy but the problem is there are a couple too many hypotheticals in there for me mate. Are you sure there’ll be a purge of players? Why are they trying to resign Young? Are you sure they won’t activate the extension on Matic’s contract? As for signing players, what makes you think that’ll happen. I only see constant spin from Ole and media briefings from Woodward about signings. Where are the quality additions? Ole has been in the job a year already yet we still seem no nearer signings. And if this shit show continues on its current trajectory then it’s going to be a very hard sell to get the right type of talent in to the club other than over paying another bunch of fucking mercenaries.

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    Zico
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    Me taking over haha you are priceless sunshine.

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    killyboye
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    TO be blunt, we’re where Liverpool were 20 odd years ago. An ageing, overrated squad, one or two very good players and the rest are bang average. We tried to what Liverpool did, and have learned a lot quicker than them that it doesn’t work, which was to throw money at the problem. We’ve now gone the other way which doesn’t seem to be working either. What we actually need, and don’t seem to have, is two things:
    1. Owners and directors who give a fuck about football and not money
    2. A DoF and manager with a properly structured attainable plan and transfer strategy.
    Until both of those things change, we’re going to stay where we are.

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    happyhurling
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    N1xer – Yeah there are definitely some hypotheticals in there, agreed. But if the club aren’t going to give Ole transfer funds then A) we may as well just pack up and go home and B) what makes you think they’d suddenly give Pochettino the funds?

    As much as it’s painful at the moment I just can’t see the point in ripping it all up and starting again. They at least need to give their “plan” some time for it to work.
    That said, I’m not blind to the state of the squad at the moment. It’s horrific.

    #1815152
    redblood
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    and Zico has taken over the site in his smug, delighted way at how shit we are! Bloody ell,next thing we`d be reading is that Lindeflop is the next Beckenbauer,Baresi,Nesta Canavaro,or that we need to sign Pukki up front,or maybe the entire Icelands 11??Lol

    #1815185
    Zico
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    @redblood,are you daft or something? Why should i talk up these players?
    Have i me tio ed ghem before, dont think so.

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    redblood
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    Indeed happy,Mac has done a runner.He old fooker must be busy enjoying his retirement in Bangkok with Thai ladyboys.

    #1815415
    theMartial Art
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    I cannot believe how blind some fans are to the awful management of the club and think sacking Ole and replacing him will change anything.

    Just look at our starting XI against Man City

    United XI
    De Gea (£18m)
    AWB (£50m), Lindelof (£30m), Jones (£17m), Williams (academy)
    Perriera (academy), Fred (£52m)
    James (£15m), Lingard (academy), Rashford (academy)
    Greenwood (academy)

    City XI
    Bravo (£20m)
    Walker (£54m), Otamendi (£40m), Fernandinho (£37m), Mendy (£55m)
    Gundugan (£22m), Rodri (£60m), De Bruyne (£64m)
    Sterling (£50m), Silva (£46m), Mahrez (£60m)

    City STILL have £40m Aguero, £25m Jesus, £38m Silva, £55m Stones, £60m Laporte, £37m Ederson, £36m Cancelo, etc etc.

    What do you guys expect from this current United squad? How does replacing Ole fix anything? We need better players not another coach. Replacing our current manager with another manager will just be putting a band aid on a huge infected wound… the Glazers and their board. It would mask again briefly the rot at the heart of our club. Let’s fall however far it takes to get the ownership out. No more band aids. No manager can win with this club until the owners are gone.

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    yorkshireman200
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    #1815431
    theMartial Art
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    This show really has it in for Ole. We’ve been hit by injuries to an already poor team. The manager can’t magic results out of thin air and he’s doing as well as you would surely expect with the squad he’s currently got. He bought well in summer.

    Biggest problems with united is up above the board and ed Woodward who are not fit to run a football club not backing 4 managers is crime also Ashley young should go we shouldn’t be offering a contract again just let him go move on and back the manager.

    If you actually want the club to change people need to boycott the games so the club can actually see how much an effect the have caused. The frustration will continue until an action is taken by the fans. We will all just continue to just talk and talk about the same thing over and over again. Players are overplayed, there aren’t enough players to rotate, young players don’t get sent on loan to gain experience to understand how tough one has to be to get in first team squad, overpaying average players. Without McTominay or Pogba in midfield our team is significantly weaker. Need to find a replacement for Pogba, could sell him in January and buy two decent midfielders from the money.

    #1815466

    happyhurling
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    TMA – Good point on the squad difference between us and City and, as i’ve said before, i don’t want to see Ole sacked right now. But the burning question is this – is there no other manager available right now who could do a better job than Ole with the same squad?

    It’s becoming increasingly harder to push the narrative that Ole is the best person for the job.

    #1815520
    theMartial Art
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    @happyhurling – No doubt, Ole is at fault for team selection and tactics at times but Phil Jones, Young, Matic, Mata, Rojo and Bailly are not his fault the board are at fault. Looking at the big picture, Ole has done nothing wrong the squad is small and decimated by injuries …

    De Gea
    AWB, Maguire, Lindelof, Shaw
    Fred, McT, Pogba
    James, Martial, Rashford

    This is our best XI. They never played together due to injuries. Lets have some context.. i remember when people called Klopp a clown or a flop for his first 3 seasons.

    As I said, we need new players not a new coach. Herrera and Fellaini not replaced. Lukaku and Sanchez not replaced. With McT and Pogba out injured, we have a championship midfield. We’re doomed with Woodward mate. If he has any plan to bring this club back to the glory days, he should spend the cash and sign Fabian Ruiz, Bruno Fernandes and Timo Werner in this window. Football is moving at a certain pace and we are not keeping up.

    Or sack Ole to cover the sheer incompetence of the board and spend another 300 million on over-paid mercenaries, fun times, do it again when Poch gets sacked next year, how about getting Klopp then and then sacking him after he’s failed because one year is too less but some idiots don’t realize, but let’s do this, who’s in?

    #1815549

    happyhurling
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    Yeah, that’s where i’m really torn. I don’t think he should be sacked until hes been given 3 years to make the squad his own and then we judge what kind of manager he is. The squad he took on still had some Fergie players in it. I can see us falling into the same traps with Pochettino.

    Buuuuuut, we need to not lose to fucking watford under ANY circumstances. Ole is playing a dangerous game by backing some of these clowns and if he doesn’t get rid of them then he will be gone. Simple as that!

    #1815644

    Blacky
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    @happy – Entirely up to you who you have a ‘debate’ with mate, but if you want to waste your time trying to get any sense out of our ‘favourite’ Rampton inmate, good luck with that!😂
    Remember, it’s only a few short weeks ago that he informed us all that we were “only 3 players away from being a title winning team, you heard it here first” Now after presumably being on 24 your lockdown in his padded cell whilst the wheels on Ole’s bus have been falling off, he suddenly reappears like Lazarus with a whole different point of view, as per usual.

    Now, we don’t just ‘need 3 new players’ it’s “What do you guys expect from this current United squad? How does replacing Ole fix anything? We need better players” and “No manager can win with this club until the owners are gone”.
    Fact is, he will spin any given situation so as to appear to always be in the right, and whilst I know you’re not exactly averse to a flip flop or two yourself mate, surely you’ve seen through this attention seeking spanner by now, because everybody else certainly has!!😉😂😂

    #1815660
    theMartial Art
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    I’m the one lad who says don’t force the stupid people to be quiet. The usual suspect and his usual projection and his usual gaslighting. That’s how you find the potheads from the ivory tower of their con college. 😂😂😂

    #1815669

    Blacky
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    Off back to your padded cell for lights out and to take your prescription meds, there’s a good chap. Matron and her team of large men in white coats will be along presently to turn off your internet access and strap you down for the night!😳😂😂

    #1815671
    theMartial Art
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    I recommend using honey in your hair. It prevents scalp itch, dermatitis (dandruff), dullness, breakage, and dryness. 😳😂😂

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