November 6, 2019 at 6:11 pm #1797631
jm1502-Now we are prepared to pay £35m for him? This is criminal,to say the least.Wouldnt be shocked to find out we had Maddison,McGinn,Longstaff brothers,and a few more we are after,were in fact part of our Academy,lolNovember 7, 2019 at 11:44 am #1797793
He was 14 when we fucked him off, you can’t blame an academy manager for telling a kid no at 14 and then in five years he’s a completely different player. The changes a person goes through in five years at that age are massive. He could have been very small physically and not showing potential. He’s obviously grown but perhaps getting cut from our academy was the making of him from a work ethic point of view. If he’d stayed with us maybe he’d never have made it…. It’s not like the Pogba thing where everyone knew his potential when he left, there was no guarantee this kid would have made it if he stayed, equally when he moved on he could have been lost for ever and never made it. There are tough calls to make for many academy coaches, and to be fair they probably get most of them right. It’s not hard to see that one or two will slip through who shouldn’t given the volume of kids that go through the doors.November 7, 2019 at 12:18 pm #1797810
I wouldn’t throw the book at the coach but it would go down as a big minus in his record sheet.
His job is spot signs of talent at an early age, he’s not expected to get it right every time but we cannot use age as a reason to excuse him.
We need some data to support the claim they get it right most of the time. Looking from who has made it to the first team the past 3 years I dont see many successes.November 7, 2019 at 12:40 pm #1797820
At the same time Mac, who have we let go at a young age who has set the world alight? I can’t think of many, even the likes of Michael Keane aren’t world class and would struggle to break into the first team here at the moment. They must get it right most of the time purely because the PL isn’t littered with players we all wish hadn’t left.November 7, 2019 at 1:09 pm #1797833
If you could bring in 3 established player aged 24/25 who would they be? I’d get a CB and 2 CM’s.November 7, 2019 at 1:52 pm #1797850
@mufc I’m not a fan of this approach, I think we’d get it wrong.
I think after everything we’ve seen the last 7 years we should be building around our academy, adding the best developing talent in europe, and picking maybe one established player to help with short to medium term goals.
I would wait to see Tuanzebe next to Maguire for the rest of the season before thinking about another CB, but potentially in the summer if Bailly goes.
I’d bring in Havertz for creativity, he looks top class and I think he would thrive in our young team.
We need a striker who can play away from home and put a shift in. Mandzukic would work as a stop gap, or get Dembele/Haaland in the summer.
We definitely need someone who can control the tempo in midfield better when trying to break down teams. I don’t know who that is, ideally it’s Garner, as an academy product is going to fit into our style of play better. I can’t see any British players that are good enough, and foreigners in this role are going to be a big gamble and world record fees.November 7, 2019 at 2:44 pm #1797882
Mike you’re not a fan but I meant if you had the choice lol. So maybe your choices would be better then the muppets at the club lol.November 7, 2019 at 2:58 pm #1797893
@killyboye- True but the PL is littered with players we wish we’d had in our academy -e the fish that got away.
Problem is we don’t have comprehensive data on which to base assessments of acaadamey performance. The club should have it and do data analysis and performance reviews but my bet is they dont.
The club is happy to pay out 100m on players who are far from a safe bet. Seems to me it would be profitable to make the academy perform better. the prime purpose of youth set up is to feed the first team. Results the past decades have been woefull. And what innovations, modernisations, improvements have their been in the system and set up. None.November 7, 2019 at 3:34 pm #1797900
James is the first (and only) young player which we spotted ahead of the rest of the big clubs – but in reality we have missed the boat on way too many youngsters and are deservedly lacking in youthful talent compared to other big clubs.
As an example, looking at Rodrygo yesterday for Real Madrid, how is it that our scouts didn’t even have a look in to the player before he made a move? How did our scouts also not think that Arthur was worth it when both Barcelona and ourselves were chasing? How did Borussia Dortmund get a free ride with Brandt and Alcacer on the cheap this summer when we are desperate for such players in our squad?
I agree with the process of signing top 17 and 18 year olds for cheap but we should also be signing players like Brandt, Havertz and James for low prices and giving them a platform to grow and succeed at our club (or sell for a massive profit in future).November 7, 2019 at 7:42 pm #1797942
We could do a lot worse than jump in for Odsonne Edouard from Celtic in January. Begs the question why Celtic seem to sign young gems but we can’t fucking find any.November 7, 2019 at 8:44 pm #1797963
@jm1502 – quite simple mate: their scouts are good whilst ours are trash.November 8, 2019 at 8:06 am #1798007
On a side note, according to a TT article this morning, 23 year old Timo Werner has a clause that could make him available for just 30m in January.
I mean seriously, if this isn’t an excellent “gamble” for a club like United to take then I don’t know what is: young, great finisher – exactly what United need – playing for a “smaller” club and may see United as a good step up.
if he does go for cheap in January and we don’t make an effort to sign him then it’s a clear sign that whoever is leading the Transfer Front is not good enough and needs to be replaced.November 8, 2019 at 10:02 am #1798042
Yes I think there’s way too much money in today’s football, but given that that fee could still be a bargain. Basically not that much more than what was shelled out for Lukaku.November 8, 2019 at 11:05 am #1798066
Talking of Celtic,we should also aim for Karamoko Dembele.Reminds me very much of Ansu Fati of Barca.November 8, 2019 at 11:30 am #1798080
@cr I don’t mind the fee if we’re getting top quality (and I think he is).
The concern would be more his agent, and whether we’ll go back to constant press leaks and stories about wanting a move to Madrid after one season. No doubt he’d be wanting a new contract at £350k per week pretty soon.
Ole knows the guy well, and should be able to make a good judgement call on this.
Werner looks like he might be cheaper, and has quality, but I think Haaland’s physicality might transfer better to the premier league.
Haaland and Havertz are definitely the types of players I would be spending money on, and trying to build a team around for years to come.November 8, 2019 at 11:59 am #1798090
Havertz dont impress me at all. Besides many good players have failed when playing in PL.November 10, 2019 at 1:48 pm #1798454
“Juventus look to tempt Man Utd with four-player exchange bid for Pogba. Juve will offer United the chance to sign Mario Mandzukic, Emre Can, Daniele Rugani and Blaise Matuidi in January.” You know what? i’d take that for Pogba…we then have a good mix of youth and some experience as we build again. We were looking at Mandzukic anyway, Rugani is a good addition to our defense and Blaise and Can must be better than our current midfield. An added bonus is that some of our rubbish players wont get a look in and may fuck off.November 10, 2019 at 2:52 pm #1798476
Rugani is forever injured,mate.November 10, 2019 at 3:11 pm #1798489
ok…fair enough….. not so good then!November 10, 2019 at 11:57 pm #1798640
I fear that any potential business in January would only be a stop gap solution at best but at the same time it’s difficult to ignore the lack of quality and depth in our squad. To be honest, there won’t be many options for us in January so I’m hoping we’ll go full force in the summer.
The likes of Jadon Sancho, Fabien Ruiz, Lautaro Martinez, Kai Havertz, Erling Braut Haaland and Saul would strengthen any team but would all cost 100 M+ if available. They’d probably all have their doubts over the state of this club as well so I can’t honestly see them at Old Trafford. Werner, however, is an interesting option with his modest release clause and I’m sure RB Leipzig would rather see him move abroad than to Bayern Munich.
As for British talent, Maddison and Chilwell are playing very well at Leicester and would hardly view a move to United as a step up at this stage. I also doubt Leicester are interested in becoming what Southampton are to Liverpool. Then there’s Rice and Longstaff who are not the solution – we’ve got a much improved Scott McTominay doing the dirty work and need 1 player to dictate play from the base of midfield and another creative midfielder further forward.
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