January 10, 2020 at 10:30 am #1815132
Doesn’t matter what type of injuries they are, Gomez, Matip and Lovren all miss many games because of injuries.
Looking at their apps, over the previous 3 seasons, Gomez has actually made the least apps by far – Matip 98, Lovren 93, Gomez 69. Compare this to Van Dijk with 114 apps.
However this season (so far) Gomez has not had any serious injury and has made the most apps – Gomez 23, Lovren 12, Matip 10.
In fact I think the debate as to who should partner the Van Dijk, is strongly influenced by the fact that the other 3 CBs are rarely fully fit all at the same time, and all seem to suffer at least one disruptive injury every seasonJanuary 10, 2020 at 10:56 am #1815151
It does matter what type of injuries they have/had. It’s matters quite a lot actually.January 10, 2020 at 11:07 am #1815161
An injury is an injury. I fully understand Gomez injury has been more misfortune than being injury prone but it still means he’ll be out for a good number of games and that matters:January 10, 2020 at 11:10 am #1815163
If Gomez can stay injury free, he and VVD will form the best Centre back partnership in the premier league in years to come. We’ve now kept 5 clean sheets in a row or something since Gomez is back in the 1st team. Thats no coincidence.January 10, 2020 at 11:29 am #1815177
Kopite, quite right, what matters most of all is how many games you miss because of an injury, not what type of injury it is.
And the stats show quite clearly that Gomez has missed the most games in the previous 3 seasons through injury out of all our centre backs.
This season though, he is fit and has made the most apps (of the 3 supporting CBs), and let’s hope he remains that way going forwardJanuary 10, 2020 at 11:35 am #1815178
Every injury is not the same.
If a player has a history of hamstring, calf, thigh or groin injuries you can make an informed judgment that there’s a weakness there and he’ll continue to have issues and miss further games.
If a player breaks his leg and is treated properly chances are he’ll not have any further issues related to it.
We have Matip and Lovren with consistently “niggly” injuries.
We have Gomez with 2 serious injuries that don’t seem to be holding him back.
If you had to make a judgment on a centreback to get rid off based purely on injury history the science would dictate it would be one of Matip/Lovren.January 10, 2020 at 12:08 pm #1815192
Kopite, I’ve yet to to Gomez continually break down like Lallana or Sturridge do… on the other hand I would like to see him protecting himself a bit better but he is the sort of lad that will break his leg for us in a tackle. There is nothing injury prone about that, especially when he keeps up his mentality and does not start to doubt his own body and jump out of duals.
Also arguing about Matip and Gomez is just stupid, they are both such valuable players to the squad, so is Lovren but his time is coming to an end as his contract has not that much time on it and he would easily walk into most teams around Europe. He will go in search of more game time and I really hope that Spanish lad is coming over to replace him.
We need four centerback and we need the right balance between them.January 10, 2020 at 12:13 pm #1815196
Every injury matters regardless of whether it’s due to misfortune or being injury prone. Cos it’s means the player will be out of an X amount of games. No player is precluded from unfortunate injuries though the chances of it happening may be slim.January 10, 2020 at 12:17 pm #1815199
NB: I am not suggesting that Gomez is injury prone like Lovren or Matip but an injury to him will affect us.January 10, 2020 at 12:38 pm #1815208
Of course every injury affect us.
No one is saying otherwise.
However if a player is consistently out with niggly injuries chances are he’s gonna be out again with niggly injuries.
Lovren has never managed more than 6 games in a row for us. When he came back in before Xmas we all knew it’s only a matter of time before he was out again because he has persistent niggly injuries.
Therein lies the difference.January 10, 2020 at 12:52 pm #1815210
So will a injury to Van Dijk… or to Salah… its redundant to be talking about it… we have four senior centerback for that very reason, we got a few players that can take over from Salah if he gets injured. We are covered in that way for every position on the field.January 10, 2020 at 2:22 pm #1815245
Tell me if it’s matters if both misses same number of games in a season through injury regardless of what sort of injury.January 10, 2020 at 2:38 pm #1815255
You’re completely missing the point.January 10, 2020 at 3:52 pm #1815280
Notorious, what Spanish lad is being linked to Liverpool as a CB?January 10, 2020 at 4:19 pm #1815288
Diego Carlos for £60+mil.
Dunno how credible it is tho.January 10, 2020 at 4:52 pm #1815293
65million euros, I think its worthwhile investment, especially if Lovren leaves next summer for more football. Carlos would be likely to be a bit stronger than both Matip and Gomez, more dependable than Joel and more experienced than Joe.
Whats interesting about him is his tackle ratio which is lower than anything we got already, it suggests that he is a very smart player as well that can see danger before it happens. Also his injury record is pretty much clean, he should be able to compete for the majority of every season if not the whole season.
In terms of defensive units the best ones have always lined up together every game, Baresi and Costacurta played every game all season long for that Milan side, Maldini was there on the left flank almost every game, same thing happened when Desailly came into the lineup. They were miles ahead anyone at the time in regards to fitness and their defense was the strongest thing I’ve ever seen… average ratio for game time was like 30 games a season, in the league, they played as a unit every time and reaped the benefits because of added understanding.
Gomez is not there yet but he got the potential to get there, he could bloody well turn out to be a stronger defender than Van Dijk. Matip is entering his prime and he is a really good asset, he is the best header in the squad, his passing ratio is also pretty good and he makes the second most dribbles out of the defense. We can’t build a team around him but he is an excellent defender that will always push those around him and he is likely to make the team when in top form. I wanted a defender last summer so I’m gonna stick to my wish, first I want a top defender in, cause I’m pretty sure that Lovren will leave after this season. He might surprise me but I think he will look for a new challenge and then we need a world class top level defender in with spot on mentality that can raise morale around him just like Dejan does. We often see him as being the loudmouth of the squad but honestly he is just the most competitive player in the squad, or one of them and we can’t expect the youth players to provide that edge. Or not just yet..January 11, 2020 at 3:36 am #1815398
Personally I’d like to see what Phillips can do if he’s given a chance next pre-season before we sign anyone. Watched a bit of Carlos and 1 thing that stands out is his tendency to go off his feet and commit to a challenge which is generally a last resort as opposed to a plan A.
As for Matip I also think his aerial prowess helps us a lot with set-pieces. What we’ve seen over the past few weeks is VVD being marked by 2 or 3 players as there isn’t another aerial threat with both Matip and Fabinho out.January 11, 2020 at 8:27 am #1815404
Gomez is the long term partner for VVd..i cant see us playing 65m for a CB whos gonna be on the bench. But if its good for squad depth why notJanuary 11, 2020 at 8:28 am #1815405
*cant see us payingJanuary 15, 2020 at 4:09 am #1816528
Just like to say that I’m completely with Ginger on this. It definitely does matter what type of injuries a player is picking up.
Player A) : Misses 4 months of a season due to repeated, related injuries (eg. muscle or ligament strains). It’s fair to suggest a projected future pattern of similar injuries to affect his playing time in the future.
Player B) Misses 4 months due to a broken ankle. It’s very likely that it was completely situational/bad luck. This type of injury is not usually part of any pattern, in terms of future risk (barring complications of course).
Lovren and Matip are injury prone. Gomez has suffered 2 seemingly unrelated horror injuries and there really is little evidence to suggest that he is actually injury prone at all, going from these 2 injuries anyway. I don’t know about his record before he joined the club.
“Diego Carlos for £60+mil.”
There were rumours that something is/was not right with Gomez, personally. They were incredibly vague, so I’m really unsure about how much I’d even listen to them but I will say that unless there is something going on in the background that we aren’t privy to, there’s no chance in hell that we’ll be signing anyone.
Gomez, is for me, one of the best CB’s in the Pl already. With a bit of luck (no more serious injuries please!) and a long time to cement his place in the team, he’ll eventually start to be recognized as such by neutrals/the media etc.
I do want us to sign a CB but as I’ve said before, I think it should be a cheaper option. We need a reliable player who is ok with being on the bench most of the time. Someone who can step into the side when we need him and to not embarrass himself. For this we don’t need 65m but perhaps 5 or 10m. It’s Lovren that I’d move on too BTW.
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