Jose Maurinho NOT A UNITED MANAGER!!!

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  • #1472747
    Zico
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    Rooney? LOL!

    #1473099

    emmicallef
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    Mac – Apologies for late response to your post but something very important and serious was taking place on my beautiful island and I was caught up in the frenzy of it all.
    Most probably you are in the know although it has not got anything to do with the beautiful game.

    1. Sir was tolerated because he was big and good enough to deliver trophies.
    2. Dates; don’t you consider playing 7 games in 20 days a real spanner in any team’s schedule ? Dates are of course indicated in the number of days in question.
    3. Pl actually had the power to compromise but money driven agendas took first preferences and to hell with Sir Alex moaning.
    4. I agree with your’ Bullshit’, as Sir had built himself and the club to such high standards that he could bully refs,game time,Pl, have practically the majority of managers in his pockets from the premier to the lower divisions.

    #1473101

    emmicallef
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    Zico/theMartial – Re MOurinho I suggest you mach the following recorded facts on Jose and Klopp.

    Managerial record by team and tenure
    Team From To Record Ref
    P W D L Win %
    Mainz 05
    27 February 2001 30 June 2008 270 109 78 83 40.4 [11]

    Borussia Dortmund
    1 July 2008 30 June 2015 318 179 69 70 56.3 [51]

    Liverpool
    8 Oct2015/Present 96 48 27 21 50.0 [86]

    Total 684 336 174 174 49.1 —
    • German Football Manager of the Year: 2011,[88] 2012[88]
    • Premier League Manager of the Month: September 2016[89]

    ** the martial please note ;

    to be continued,,,

    #1473102

    emmicallef
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    Apologies for previous post.

    Zico/theMartial – Re MOurinho I suggest you compare the following recorded facts on Jose and Klopp.

    Managerial record by team and tenure
    Team From To Record Ref
    P W D L Win %
    Mainz 05
    27 February 2001 30 June 2008 270 109 78 83 40.4 [11]

    Borussia Dortmund
    1 July 2008 30 June 2015 318 179 69 70 56.3 [51]

    Liverpool
    8 Oct 2015 sent 96 48 27 21 50.0 [86]

    Total 684 336 174 174 49.1 —
    • German Football Manager of the Year: 2011,[88] 2012[88]
    • Premier League Manager of the Month: September 2016[89
    Senior career*
    Years Team Apps (Gls)
    1987 1. FC Pforzheim
    4 (0)
    1987–1988 Eintracht Frankfurt II

    1988–1989 Viktoria Sindlingen
    1989–1990 Rot-Weiss Frankfurt

    1990–2001 Mainz 05 337 (52]

    #1473103

    emmicallef
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    zico – I am sorry but I could not manage my previous 2 post due some keyboard problem.

    The records/facts are From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and they are NOT statistics but actual recorded facts.

    suggest you compare mourinho and Klopps footballing careers and then come again with your view against Jose.

    The ART pls note ;

    #1473104
    MacGuffin
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    @emmicallef – By serious I thought it you meant something like the cargo ship with the island’s monthly supply of Jack Daniels had gone aground off the coast and you had rushed down to the beach hoping to get a crate or two. You had me rushing off to the BBC this morning to read about your beautiful island. He’s a smart cookie your man, force the jury to a vote before the police have time to finish their investigation and present the evidence. Anyhow, onto moans and managers.

    Yes agreed, Fergie was to an extent the Master of the Moan. I remember Sir blaming a defeat to Southampton on the colour of the shirts we wore. But for some reason, Mourinho’s moans seem much much different.

    In fairness to modern managers, with clubs (and some fans) so eager to fire managers if results don’t go our way, managers feel they have to come up with schoolboy excuses. LvG was the maestro, he’d start laying the foundation for future excuses before the ink was dry on his contract.

    As for 7 games in 20 days, yes it’s a real spanner in the works, just like a hairpin bend for a F1 driver or sandtrap for a golfer. Its means winning the PL is not just about what the players do on the pitch, its also about how the manager uses his squad. And like Xmas, its a time for surprise results and change in league positions.

    Clubs in European competitions are adversely affected but that goes some way to balancing out the advantage they get from having more match revenue and money to spend on players.

    #1473105
    MacGuffin
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    There’s a thought. What if we went back to the old European Cup format with only 1 team competing and no group stage matches. What would happen without the extra revenue the top 5 clubs get from Europe. They would not have such a great financial advantage over teams like Swansea. It would be more like the old Division 1 with different teams winning the league instead of the same 4 clubs winning it every year.

    United, along with other big clubs, were at the forefront in changing the playing field through the introduction of the PL and CL to ensure the big clubs stayed big and the small clubs stayed small. We should not moan too loudly about having a lot of matches and as a result, a lot of transfer funds.

    #1473527

    emmicallef
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    Thomas, the great Keano has just stated your thoughts,a bit behind you which makes you the man.

    #1473528

    emmicallef
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    MacGuffin – Mac, Keane has provided remarks based on the same sentiments which most of us have been putting over for the last 5 years no.

    Celebrating achieving a money winning spot and to hell with winning the bloody trophy in the first place.
    Talk in Spain is that Zidane may not feature next year with Real and you know what the reason is ? If he doesn’t deliver a trophy.

    Has managed Real for 80 games and you know how many he lost ?

    Bloody Hell just six but that is deemed as not in Real’s high requisite expectancy which is,,you guessed it,,winning trophies.
    Being second place, although it would get then automatically in the champions league year in and year out is not considered an option for Real. You know why ? They have ambition and their one and only target is being top gun whatever it takes.

    Now compare all that with what we have been experiencing here at OT and tell me what you prefer. I know.

    Alas, some over here are more than happy to keep lauding most of the unfit players currently on the payroll,just for the sake of playing for the gallery.

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    Zico
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    @emmicallef,dont need the use of wikipedia to tell Klopp from Mourinho.
    I suppose you mean Mourinho has won more titles than Klopp or what are you trying to explain? it doesnt really matter to me because Klopp produced one of the best football when he was at Dortmund while Mourinho wants to nullify opponents creativity. The difference between them is Klopp is a creator and Mourinho is a destroyer. As a football romantic its an easy choice for me which manager i prefere.

    Dont know about you mate but i like to be entertained when watching football.
    Klopp´s philosophy is taken from the good old PL back in the days when it really was entertaining,pure English high octane football. Its the DNA of red devils,at least it was. Deep in my heart i just know that Klopp and Man United would be a perfect match.

    Too bad Fergie didnt last one more year as a manager. If he had,Klopp could very well be the manager of Man United. imagine the players he could have brought in with the financial power at Man United,the fortune Moyes and LVG spent on rubbish.

    Mourinho? He dont know the DNA of Man United,its not his style,not his philosophy.
    Even if he knew he cant produce it,its just the way it is.

    #1473531

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    EMMI you are right. I had hoped the winning mentality under saf would be ingrained but sadly no ;Compounded further by good old moyes.

    The austerity for a few years under the glazers shouldn’t be dismissed together with the moyes lvg stints have all but set us back years.

    But alas we live in hope that Jose will build something and instill a never die winning mentality. The club must back him to the hilt with funds because there is no doubt they have the money! And if Jose can’t do it then we may as well give up!!!

    #1473532

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    Zico your wrong we cant live with what ifs! We either back Jose or we sink it’s that simple! Sod DNA we need to grind out results and blitz lesser teams this guy is the best in the business he needs more transfer windows and we need to avoid Europa league next season!

    #1473606

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    united_we_win

    Sod DNA
    Really?! When did you start supporting Utd? 1993?

    blitz lesser teams this guy is the best in the business
    Erm Swansea, Hull, Burnley, Bournemouth, Stoke, West Ham. Are those the teams Mourinho is the best in the business at blitzing?

    #1473652

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    Manthistle before you start getting on your high horse and undo your pop buttoned shirt to reveal the STAT MAN outfit slow down!

    United fan since 1987 so we can put that to bed. Why do you feel you need question that? Bizarre!what qualifies you being a better supporter?

    Joses previous title wins show what he can do with the right players ;right now he doesn’t have the right ones some can’t hit a barn door bar zlatan. Chance after chance went begging in those draws.

    Against Liverpool and city to name but two examples he set up to frustrate and grab a counter goal I can’t remember him doing that to the lesser teams at home. We simply missed glaring goal scoring chances simple as that.

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    united_we_win

    what qualifies you being a better supporter?
    When did I say I was a better supporter? I’m simply stating that for a fan of Man Utd its strange to think we should go against the club’s DNA.

    Joses previous title wins show what he can do with the right players
    That just confirms that he is a chequebook manager. Needs to buy to succeed. There are plenty of managers who don’t require this to be successful. Look at Conte FFS.

    some can’t hit a barn door bar zlatan. Chance after chance went begging in those draws.
    Have you seen Zlatan’s misses? Most of them were in those draws you refer to.

    Against Liverpool and city to name but two examples he set up to frustrate and grab a counter goal
    I don’t remember much countering last Thursday. Just a lot of parking.

    We simply missed glaring goal scoring chances simple as that.
    Again, a lot of those misses were by your mate Zlatan.

    #1473669

    united_we_win
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    Right well I can’t be bothered going through misses by mikhi lingard rashford your clearly watching some other games to me. Zlatan has scored plenty or did that escape you.

    As for cheque book manager? every manager spends the Chelsea players are joses players!!!

    #1473679

    Manthistle
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    united_we_win

    Right well I can’t be bothered going through misses by mikhi lingard rashford your clearly watching some other games to me
    I never said they didn’t miss chances. I’m just stating that Zlatan did.

    every manager spends the Chelsea players are joses players!!!
    Conte used Jose’s players yes but who was to say they were the right players for Conte? You said Jose needs the right players. Conte just needs the players he’s given with a few tweeks thrown in there. Marco Silva has done well with the players he inherited. So has big Sam. So has Pochetino to some extent. Jose has spent big and really big at every club he has joined.

    #1473689

    united_we_win
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    I’m Giving him two -3 seasons before any judgement calls or moreover 3-4 transfer windows. My advice buckle up for the ride!

    #1473706

    Manthistle
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    united_we_win – That’s fair enough. I just think we all know the outcome but I’ll happily be proved wrong.

    #1473753

    emmicallef
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    zico – I do not understand how some posters,you included ,have to have such a high opinion of themselves in that they think themselves as supreme over lesser mortals.

    I have always held a high regard for your football nous and input over here even though we have disagreed a few over the years.

    My point was derived after reading a couple of posts by you and the TMA lambasting Mourinho left right centre and down below.
    I responded to your post because your support for Klopp is well documented over here and although you claim you are able to tell who the better person is,football wise that is,it is just a simple individual opinion expressed,by a simple person, like myself, which when backed with facts gives the undeniable proof of what has been achieved by said person/s.Hence my reference to the facts available.

    Klopp would have found the same batch of players as Jose and if he could have fixed it or not remains an if which you know what that means.

    Mourinho,in spite of what you and others think, is one of the best six in the world,backed with facts and was the only one available.
    So the bottom line is we have to back him for the simple reason that united we win told you, ‘you can’t live by ifs.

    To conclude,you keep hankering about being entertained,not that the pool fans were saying that a few weeks back mind you,while as for myself I take Mourinho’s tactics.

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