Jose the grave digger

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    Alfie07
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    But back to this tread Shanksy – what do you make of it? Why do you think people are venting about a made up story in the press about Mourinho but ignore other managers who have actually done the things (sell academy products) they are so angry about reading regarding Mourinho.

    What do you make of Klopp selling those youngsters? Clearing deadwood or failing to give youth a chance? Isn’t that what mourinho would be doing with some of the players rumoured to be leaving Utd?

    Chelsea have brought Kante – do you think Ruben Lofus Cheek will get more games as a result? I doubt it.

    Wenger has brought a £30m midfielder – does that help his academy players?

    Personally I think the quality of player required these days is so high that it’s unlikely that any academy will churn out top fiemrst team players. Plenty of squad players but is our young left back really meant to be better than Shaw (for example)? Unlikely.

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    shanksy
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    Not so sure the stories are made up, Alfie. As for us it seems Klopp doesn’t rate the youth players he has/possibly will ship out. Ibe and Smith have had their chance and, in particular Ibe, they appear to have blown it. Ojo looks like he has potential as does Woodford but they are still very young. Flanagan is recovering from a bad time with injuries and tbh mate, we just don’t have the time to sit and wait for stars from within to grow. Our squad was poor last season and for Klopp to get to two finals with that dross means he must have something about him. You’ve always been grounded and sensible and not one of the tiresome full of shit Utd fans who pollute this site. You’re right, next season could well throw up more surprises like last.

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    Manthistle
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    Hopefully Jose saw today what a difference a bit of youth and pace makes.

    And Carrick too 🙂

    #1138191
    suarezsteeth
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    Shanksy,you’re right. The likes of Ibe,Teixiera,Suso etc were at the club for years,and couldn’t break through to the first team consistently enough,so they obviously weren’t good enough. Getting £15m for Ibe,and £6m for Smith,who has only made 11 first team appearances for the club,is great business. If Flanagan can’t shake off his injuries and make a regular claim for a first team place,he will (rightly) be sold as well. The young lads should only play if they’re good enough. If they’re not,let them leave,and develop their careers elsewhere. It’s the right thing to do

    #1138233
    Alfie07
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    I don’t disagree, but isn’t that the same with the Utd youngsters? Januzaj, McNiar, Blackett haven’t progressed so will be moved on, yet there is a thread (possibly multiple threads) slating Mourinho. What’s the difference between the two situations?

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    AshCFC
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    Alfie
    The difference is that Jose is possibly the most high profile manager on the planet taking over the richest club on the planet. The combination naturally attracts negativity and associated bullshit from journos, forum members etc. who are either too lazy or too stupid to think of anything more interesting to say.

    Oh, what’s that you say? What’s the ACTUAL difference between Jose’s/United’s youth policy and most others?
    Nothing 🙂

    #1138242
    suarezsteeth
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    Alfie, I agree. It’s purely down to Mourinho’s track record with bringing through youngsters. Those players you mention have been at United a while,and played under a few different managers,yet Mourinho (the man with the reputation for dispensing with youth players) has seemingly decided they’re not part of his plans,hence why people are coming out with the predictable comments. If Mourinho can see that they’re not good enough,why couldn’t Ferguson,Moyes and van Gaal?

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    Sean the sailor
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    But who are Utd selling? The only two young players that are worth keeping are rashford and mensh and they aren’t going anywhere. McNair, Wilson and even the left full Jackson aren’t great. Perrira seems to be rated but he hasn’t made the breakthrough under the previous 3 managers.

    #1138269
    Alfie07
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    ST – none of them played for Fergie. Moyes picked januzaj, who has stagnated and went out on loan under LVG (and failed to play at Dortmund), Blackett went out on loan too (and failed terribly at Celtic). McNair stayed but hardly played in LVG’s second season. Hardly played like you are making out.

    Sean – that’s it mate. Vastly overrated players who when they do leave will not stay in the PL (unlike some of the Liverpool lads!), but it’s nasty old mourinho again.

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    Alfie07
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    Ash – spot on.

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    shanksy
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    It’s Jose’s reputation Alfie, he’s just not renowned for giving youth a chance anywhere he has been. People are jumping on it, they always will until he proves them wrong. Clearly, like Klopp, he believes he hasn’t enough quality in the youth ranks for where he wants the team to be. I don’t see a problem with that. Not like he hasn’t got the money to put it right.

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    hatters
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    @suarezsteeth. Being young is not the single prerequisite to playing first team football for Manchester United. Januzaj, McNair, Blackett, Wilson, and Keane are all rubbish players and must be moved on.

    Mourinho has nothing to do with these players being rubbish.

    What interests me is that United release a hoard of rubbish youth players every season but when it was Fergie, Moyes, or LvG in charge there was no commentary on our youth system failing. Now that we hired Mourinho the prevailing sentiment is that our academy has burned down to the ground and we have no youngsters left at the club, conveniently ignoring Rashford, Shaw, Fosu Mensah, and Martial who will be right in the mix of things.

    Quality comes first, age/potential comes second. Manchester United have failed to fulfill their objectives since SAF retired and the current priority is NOT youth. The club needs to lift trophies now – end of.

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    theMartial Art
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    sean the sailor @10:54 pm. I think you’ve summarized it perfectly sir & i hope it help S/T & Co to understand Jose’s decision

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    shanksy
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    You give the clap, warroturd.

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    Johnny Utah
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    Spot on Shanks, when Jose took over Chelsea for the second time, he listed 5 young players who he said were future England internationals and said he would of failed if they hadn’t developed under him. He then used RLC as a last minute sub and ignored the others. I don’t really understand why some think he will change. Their academy will be abandoned for the two and a half years he is in charge.

    Hatters, I don’t think Martial came through the academy lol

    #1138404
    Johnny Utah
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    Ash, “What’s the ACTUAL difference between Jose’s/United’s youth policy and most others?
    Nothing ?”

    Arsenal have Gibbs and Wilshere, Leicester have Chilwell, Spurs have Kane, Liverpool have Flanagan and Ojo, Man Utd have Rashford, City have Iceanacho, Chelsea have no one since John Terry. I can understand a Chelsea fan dismissing the development of youth but for 99 percent of clubs it is essential. Jose does not have a youth policy unless ignoring it can be called a policy.

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    Utd have youth players scattered across the premier league and championship. Most prem squads have a Utd youth player or two in their ranks.

    #1138476
    AshCFC
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    Your comment doesn’t make sense Johnny, and forgive me for saying, but makes you sound exactly like one of those I was referring to in the other paragraph of my comment.

    You mention the odd player from the odd club and dub that a youth policy, yet ignore RLC at Chelsea (whom Jose promoted). Selective mate, selective.

    Also, lol at Gibbs and Wilshere. Do they at 26 & 24 respectively count as proof of Arsenal’s current youth policy?!

    #1138503
    Johnny Utah
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    How many PL games did RLC start under Jose? My guess is zero.

    I was just showing that your claim that Jose’s youth policy is the same as everyone else’s is nonsense. I listed 5 or 6 of the top teams to show it was nonsense. Also, Arsensl haveIwobi who I forgot about lol.

    #1138506
    Alfie07
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    Why does the site troll state that Utd only have 1 academy player in Rashford, but not so long ago was trolling that Jose was selling off 9 academy players?

    Looks like the thread will go to pot now.

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