Kroenke takeover

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  • #1663132
    AndyC
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    i dont get why you are all up in arms, i would understand if anyone was a shareholder and wanted to keep their shares but none of you are.
    Kronke has run the club for last 10 years or at least since he went to 60% ownership, he has already taken money out of the club for some stupid broadband deal or something like that.
    All this private ownership means is a few hundred people lose a voice to shout and moan, where lets be honest about it no one really cared about on the board.
    The yearly winge from AST was simply there to appease that group, nothing more. Noone gave a shit before so those people need to get over themselves.
    Kronke is money driven but if he wants to earn more money then success will bring that. Nothing and i mean nothing suggests he will just let us rot. i swear some people just need something in their life to moan about or can never be content.
    Football clubs are more less owned privately in this country.
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    #1663141

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    He does not need us to win anything money with the new deals for TV rights will just get bigger. Keeping us in the top 6 is enough to keep status quo. It wont depricate the value even if it did the money will still come in. Anything over that is a bonus he is a bare minimum man that has been the case since he took over.

    He cant loan everything if he do the rate would be very high so he used his own money because of that not out of the godness of his heart. Nobody can loan 100% for anything these days there always has to be like 10% down payment out of your own pocket to avoid the extortion rate for the last 10-15% that the bank will take out for that part.

    #1663143

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    @ Andy this thread is about the takeover and if you dont want to discuss it there are other threads for you. Its not up to you to decide what to debate. Just leave if you dont like it.

    #1663422
    AndyC
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    Muffler, if your comment refers to me then jog right on. Not sure how you think at any point I’m trying to decide what people debate – i was simply stating the obvious.
    There are debates and there is just bitching and moaning about pointless issues. This thread is the latter.

    So much more to look forward to this season than worrying about a takeover that was always going to happen. just tin hat wearing fools who think this is the end of the football club or to that level. people talking about not renewing season tickets because of it! morons.

    One thing your right about is that he doesn’t need us to win things to stay rich, but rich people always want to be richer. Us winning trophies and being successful inflates his income 2 fold not just from competition bonus’s but from increased worldwide tv money, merchandise sales increase, and when you are the most successful you can command more in sponsorships. It is in his best interests or his bank accounts best interest to make us more competitive. So i dont forsee any transfer budgets being sliced or anything like that, nothing hints towards that at all.

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    True if he wants us to be successful he needs to invest but nothing will be coming from him in that sense. You do understand that if he pulls money out of AFC it will directly affect what we can spend transfer wise. He has stated that he wont of course and you trust that and thats up to you. I dont trust him enough to believe that. What they have said is they will rely more on bringing through youth from the own ranks. Whether that means less spending on top players who knows. I think it will be less spending especially when we today sold Perez for £6,5m to West Ham a nice loss of £ 10m just in transfer fee.

    Again if you think the thread is pointless why are you still here writing in it? You are entitled to think that but again there are many thread about other things if you want to change subject just saying.

    #1663905
    the specialone
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    Andy -Are you for real???Those two posts are quite deluded.To say so much to look forward than worrying about a takeover.Do you even realise what this takeover means?Becuase i certainly think you don’t and are being ignorant.This takeover is the end of any ambition at Arsenal,any person with common sense would realise that in all these years Kronke couldn’t give a toss about the club,he’s done things and taken a piss over all the fans(Metaphorically!),and fans haven’t done anything.
    Apart from the obvious things that are going to change which is all mentioned previously on this thread,we have also had an underwhelming transferwindow yet again.change does not mean it’s been a good window,we’re still short of players/quality in various positions espescially winger.It’s ridicuolous.We’re selling players for peanut prices.We are being ignorant in other departments.We’ve spent what 70m?Peanuts if you want to win trophies.See that’s the ambition.

    I don’t think you or people like you actually have that ambition to win trophies.It’s always take something positive,even where there clearly aren’t any.You look at the business Everton are doing,a team well supposed to be less ambitious than us,hell even they’re showing true ambition.No Football club can be successful if thier owner dosen’t show interest towards the sport.Kronke can’t even understand Football let alone develop a passion for the club.He’s only interested in numbers,hell do I really have to actually explain this to someone.Usmonov was our path to success(winning trophies),and he’s left now.

    All this just days before the season begins,what an absolute joke.You and some other people are so ignorant you really don’t realise what’s happened.It’s ok don’t say anything now,just moan later when we don’t win anything yet again.This transfer widow has actually been underwhelming,espscially compared to the rest of the clubs.Don’t think this club ever knows what it takes to actually win the title anymore.Very ignorant.

    #1663908
    the specialone
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    Also to mention,it’s been reported that Stan Kronke has taken out 625k out of the club recently to for advice and legal fees surrounding the takeover.What an absolute joke.The least ambitious man I’ve ever seen in football,only cares about the Money.

    #1663972
    steveosnakeeye
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    My take….
    Do I like it? No
    Am I happy about it? No
    Can I or any other fan do anything about it? No

    So I for one am just going to look forward to a new season under a new manager

    See how we go

    #1664079

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    True Steve we can do little about it however i will do my very small part and not spend a penny to this club. I will not attend any home games or buy anything in form of merchandise until I see what happens in terms of investments when he owns 100%. I will go to away games instead when I can otherwise it will be the TV for me.

    Regarding the new season I do also agree that it will exiting to see how we will play.

    #1664218
    AndyC
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    TSO do yourself and everyone else a favor and go away.

    You talk about things like you have some real attachment, you have no attachment to the club. Just another foreigner who doesn’t and won’t ever attend games. Can’t take any of your views seriously for that alone. let alone all the emotional nonsense you spout.

    The takeover was always going to happen. Or are you that stupid that you didn’t think it was going to happen? Underwhelming transfer window? you sure. We have strengthened areas that needed strengthening we have great quality going forward already. oh shit thats right we didnt sign neymar. (rolling eyes)
    Why hound Wenger out if the playing staff were the problem?
    No one wants this takeover to happen, but in reality thats just fans who have been going week in weekout who love that we are old school and teh emotional attachemnt to all we have ever known. fans like myself and the season ticket holders, not like you
    Big changes have happened at the club recently, huge infact. its all positive. again, i dont like the takeover but its been written on teh cards since he turned down usmanovs offer.
    You point to everton transfer dealings, didnt they do the same last summer and were shit.
    Fulham have spent 100m do you think they will win the title? based on your rediculous logic they should have more chance than city as they have spent more. or perhaps UTD who spent over 100million last year, oh yeah thats right they won f all last season.
    Stop living in fifa and football manager. thats not real.
    Kroenke has more knowledge than you do on about football, that i am 100% sure on.
    If we dont win anything then its not down to kroenke, or do you blame kroenke for wengers failing and if so i again ask why hound him out. You are also implying with all this that you dont rate and wont rate emery, he might as well just give up?

    If anything its you who doesnt understand what this takeover means, you’ve probably just read a few tabloid reports about how bad it could be and completely ignored all the real information. Get over it little boy. stop winging and crying about something and a club you have not real attachment too.

    #1664220
    AndyC
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    Muffler i highly doubt you did any of that anyway.

    #1664379

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    And you know what do? Jog on you tool

    #1668119
    The Oracle
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    People seem to be jumping upend down about Kroenke buying the club outright. Once he built up a controlling stake this was always on the cards. I have tried to explain previously Kroenke is an investor, he is NOT A SUGAR DADDY. He was never going to throw money at the club, only the Arabas have done that, even Abramovich only loaned money to Chelsea so we should never have expected a change in Arsenal methodology. Arsenal are run using a self sustaining model and they always have. You can argue they could have spent more given the cash reserves but when you look at what Wenger did with the money would that have helped. In desperation Wenger threw money at the transfer market and made us worse. Yes we have a poor squad but we have had a poor squad for 3 years, some supporters just would not admit it. As for the future with the club no longer a PLC thats a different story. We wont know whats happening, Kroenke isnt going to throw money at the transfer windows, he was never going to. The BofD will still run the club but they wont be able to make any major decisions regarding overall finance. The only way Arsenal will be able to spend is through success and improved commercial deals. This will start this summer but as I keep telling you sorting out Wenger’s mess will take several years. The least we can do is give Dick a chance. Wenger fried year after year and people supported him, the same people are having a go at Dick after 2 games.

    #1668134
    the specialone
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    Yet again you come out as such a “know all” poster.What you’ve written is what we all know…the question is what are we going to do about it.Arsenal don’t generate as much revenue as other big clubs.Even if we do get improved sponshorship deals it still wouldn’t be enough to actually compete in the transfer market espescially with our broken wage structure.Whether people want to admit it or not,we do need an owner that genuinely has ambition to win trophies for this club and invest.Our owner has to invest,otherwise we’ll never win.

    And kronke?Never ever.Anyone who thinks he actually is ambitious is surely the most naive person I’ve ever come across.Kronke needs to go.It might not happen just now but if fans don’t take a serious stance against him from now ownewards it will never happen.Kronke has been the single biggest prolem at this club,moreso than wenger.People wanted wenger out because ousting a manager is much more easier than forcing the owner to leave.But it dosen’t change the reality of Kronke’s lack of ambition.

    #1668143
    steveosnakeeye
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    why cant we compete with Chelsea and others? with FFS we should all be pretty much on a level playing field now but we have a big gap to overhaul, its taken a long time but liverpool are just about there now though it occaisinally means selling a top player like they had to, what they then d though identify and buy the right players they needed even if they had to wait to do so (VVD and Keita) and that is where the DOF and coach come in, ues we have omse inflated fee’s due to AW but its not the end of the world IMHO, once Ozil and a few others leave or are sold its back to business under the new system….if Kronake takes moeny out of the club (i know he does already) but i mean at the expense of transfers then its a different issue

    maybe Kroenke is ambitious but i still dont buy it, you dont invest over a billion and not want that investment to grow and the only way that happens is with success of some sort which is what also generates the increased sponsorship deals, only united can get away with big deals witout winning but thats based on a huge fan base and history, it wont last forever either for them!

    #1668146
    The Oracle
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    Arsenal don’t generate as much revenue as other big clubs?? This is another Emery didnt keep clean sheets at PSG statement. Have you got even the faintest idea how much revenue Arsenal do generate? No of course you dont. Arsenal generate more revenue from gate receipts than any other club in the world, we then have TV money, sponsorship money, prize money, merchandising. So lets look at your statement again. Arsenal dont generate as much money as big clubs. Are PSG a big club? what about Chelsea? Chelsea, Juventus, Liverpool. Only the two Manchester clubs in the PL generate more money than Arsenal. Get your facts straight. And saying Kroenke needs to go every 5 minutes achieves nothing HE’S AN INVESTOR he is going nowhere. I dont know why Im bothering, its pointless Id get more sense out of my dog. I cant be bothered to waste anymore time with you. Totally clueless

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