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    roygbiv
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    Central defense is a position where I feel experience is vital, especially at a club like United. Defenders also need to have a good overview of what’s in front of them and organize those around them. That is what the likes of Bruce, Pallister, Stam, Ferdinand and Vidic had and, at the same time, what Smalling, Jones, Rojo, Lindelof and Bailly don’t. Bailly can develop into a top defender but will need an experienced, quality partner & leader alongside him.

    I’ve always felt that a strong defense offers the attackers more freedom. I think Jose realizes that his defense is fragile and is instructing his attackers to do more defending than they would like. I’m not saying that he would ever go gung ho but a more solid defense would surely improve our attack as well.

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    Zico
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    Juventus were lucky. Its easy to sit back for defence to clear out the ball from the box with head and feet. My credits goes to intelligent players like Pjanic and Dybala who can hold the ball up for a couple of seconds and play a clever pass,they didnt lose possession like our players. I think they were the keymen for the Juve win.

    I think we need a playing cb,comfortable with the ball. Smalling is useless with the ball and wrestles a lot giving away silly freekicks. Jones i rather not talk about.
    Lindelof is the best cb carrying the ball forward but lacks in positioning.

    #1609333

    happyhurling
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    Schmeichal playing for City is still the worst thing that has ever happened in football. It’s the reason why you see him on TV and just don’t really care what he has to say. In a weird way he just completely ruined his legacy.

    #1609404

    libanski
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    I think it has something to do with the new generation and it’s not just football, people nowadays can’t take criticism, you can’t criticize anyone esp the young kids, it’s almost like a crime, parents can no longer discipline their children, same in schools and every other program that includes teaching and learning, we are creating a generation of softies and in no time we might see tackling and shouting at players banished from football. It’s something we’ll eventually have to get used to

    #1609442

    jm1502
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    Come on Zico, I know you like nice football mate, we all do, but Pjanic was anonymous against the spuds. In fact, every time I see him he’s disappointing. He’s a talent but never seems to do much when I watch him – how many times have I said that about East European players?

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    Wonderfuel Gas
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    I always think you need to build a central defensive partnership, it doesn’t magically happen overnight….you only get it playing together almost week in week out. I don’t think a pairing is reaching the top of their game until they’ve played at least forty games together. We’ve not even come close to that since Rio and Vidic disbanded.

    At the very least you need one mainstay who you trust. I always felt confident whenever Jaap Stam was playing whoever he was alongside….but in a big game never felt happy with Berg and Johnson together. Bailly is the only one remotely fitting that bill and he’s never fit. Smalling and Jones. Smalling and Lindelof. Smalling and Rojo. Jones and Lindelof. Jones and Rojo. Rojo and Lindelof. Too many weaknesses in alll those combinations….we need that team leader.

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    TomLily
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    Bruce, Pallister, Stam, Rio, Vidic… They had Schmeichel/Van Der Sar behind them. As good a shot-stopper De Gea is, he doesn’t seem to command his backline enough. Schmeichel and VDS controlled their respective backlines with authority and was in their faces immediately whenever they did a mistake. I might be wrong but I hardly see that from De Gea.

    I do agree though that we are lacking a leader in central defence. Don’t see leader material in Bailly. I would sign an experienced centre back and sell Rojo and Smalling.

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    MacGuffin
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    Jeez Wonderfuel – you are saying a lot of things I agree with recently that echo my thoughts. Problem is how you get from these individual statements to the overall conclusions you reach.

    #1609478
    killyboye
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    I’d agree with TomLily and I said it myself earlier on this thread, DDG doesn’t boss his backline enough. If he pulls off a wonderful save from a shot that should never have been made in the first place he just shoots a sullen look and a gesture at his defence and that’s it. Schmeichel and Van Der Sar, even Barthez would be bollocking their defences if that happened. Buffon does it, Pickford even does it. Defenders need a ‘keeper to fuck them out of it every now and again, it keeps them honest, and when they’re pissed at their ‘keeper they pass it on to the midfield and it moves up the pitch.
    Now, I am in no way saying that our lack of leadership is down to DDG not screaming at his defenders but it would help if he did it every now and again.

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    Wonderfuel Gas
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    @tomlily You’re right of course but I think de Gea has given up trying to command the shit show in front of him mate…rolls his eyes and bails them out of the merd again. jm1502 says you can’t polish a turd and I’ve always thought there is no point bollocking a simpleton.

    I think he needs to sort out that mish mash of “not good enoughs” we have in central defence, the problem is they all get injured so much he needs the numbers in there. But it has been going on too long now and a line needs to be drawn under it.

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    killyboye
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    @wonderfuel gas, that’s too simplistic a view. Even when Bailly is fit and our defence looks more solid, DDG still doesn’t assert himself with the CB’s. If there’s one flaw in his game, it’s that he’s too passive on the pitch. Content to do his own job, a bit like Matic.

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    happyhurling
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    I’ve seen De Gea shout at the defenders countless times though?

    #1609537
    killyboye
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    He doesn’t seem to have the presence that Schmeichel or VdS had…..

    #1609546

    happyhurling
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    True, he doesn’t. I think he makes up for it with his ability though, he’s a better keeper than VDS i think?

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    killyboye
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    Not much in it, if he could shout like Peter he’d be a better ‘keeper

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