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    stev2bath1
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    All games are tough and our away form is poor. Assuming we don’t turn out an Everton performance we should win. They have just been hammered, are at home so they will be looking to bounce back, let’s not be that team again that gets them back!

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    steveosnakeeye
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    We should win this and if we play the same we will
    If we play like at Everton we won’t
    Fingers crossed they turn up again

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    The Oracle
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    The key as always will be team selection, tactics, attitude. Attitude will be improved without Ozil Mk II anywhere near the squad, the team will be the same as West Ham which means the two puddings will play in the centre of midfield but we have to hope the other 9 can make up for their lack of pace, movement, energy etc. Leeds only have 9 fit men so it should be an equal contest. We must show improvement in our away form, the performances against Man Utd and Everton were unacceptable so nothing other than a win against a poor Leeds side will do.

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    the specialone
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    I’m not going to get blown away.It was hard on leeds and like others the game probably shouldn’t have gone ahead.We got the job done.

    First half was just very good.Our best first half under Arteta probably.
    But see,the second half was just pathetic.There’s no level of consistency maintained throughout the match.We go up and we then tend to sit back.Why dosen’t arteta seem to fix this.Too much unnecessary posession footbal,too many sideways passes.

    Ramsdale deserved his clean sheet and if it was not for 50m ben white’s stupidity he’d have one.I’m sorry I really try my best but he makes it difficult.Genuinely don’t see anything special in him,let alone for that price.

    Gabi is just a gem.I’ll say it again our best young player this season.

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    Great first half but the again Leeds were missing what 10 players.

    Second well nothing to write home about.

    Tso i agree that Whites challenge was needless but it was not the dumbest one out there. 3-0 up and just after halftime Xhaka first stands in their way for taking a quick freekick. Then after being told off by the ref he then stamps on Rapinhas ankle. He was extremly lucky to stay on there. How Arteta thinks he is the first on the teamsheet is beyond me he is a basket case.

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    The Oracle
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    Muffler_1, the guy is a complete idiot. He commits a bookable offence and then 3 secs later he commits a red card offence and stands there grinning at the ref, what a prat. How anyone honestly thinks he could be captain is beyond me. As for the game, Lacazette missed two sitters but he worked hard and created space. Yet again the young players won the game, Saka was back to his best, Emile comes on and within a couple of minutes scores a brilliant goal, what a finish, what a player. Martinelli is coming back into form, took his goals brilliantly, he’s not up at the level of the other two but he’s getting there. Tomiyasu was excellent, great signing and just what we needed at right back. White and Gabriel were solid but what sort of tackle was that from White, I don’t know why he and Ramsdale celebrated afterwards it was an obvious pen. After playing well in the 1st half why did we switch off and become sloppy again. White, Gabriel, Xhaka and Gabriel need to keep that ball moving forwards not sideways and backwards then give it away. Get it wide or to Ødegaard who was also excellent. From what Arteta has said this week the Norwegian is going to be our next captain, sooner him than that thick plank Xhaka.

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    Not sure again we can ask for much more. 4 goals away from home never really looked in any danger. It’s not really a test as they had 10 players out and were really naive but we still had to do it and we got the job done. Cant really say Arteta can do much more he has picked winning teams, Not necessarily what I would choose but he is getting the job done. Martinelli is proving a master stroke .

    #2032051

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    Another good win – and Away too! Martinelli looks undroppable. He gives us extra pace and power which has been lacking. I thought Partey and Xhaka were much better and Xhaka had a really good game. Lacca looks a good stand in captain, he works hard and seems well respected within the team.

    Top four at Christmas and after our first three games I don’t think anyone could ask anymore. Merry Christmas!

    #2032055

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    Felt sorry for Leeds as they are in an injury and covid pickle. We’ve been there so respect.

    I have an observation from yesterday, has happened before but needs the coaching staff to work on.
    Saka has a habit of standing when passed a ball from defence, normally out wide on the right. Instead of moving towards the ball, he will wait. I’ve seen him do this in other games and he needs to get rid of this habit. The covering player, nips in and gets in front of him to steal the ball.

    I think this team still needs to understand each other better, this will come with time. Young blood and some new midfield will do it.
    Ode worked well but I think him and White hesitated for penalty. Ode is still learning how to tackle……. I wish he would shoot more when in a position to do so.
    You youngsters won’t remember how Leeds used to screw us back in the Revie days. I met Peter Lorimer at a club here. I was just a snot in the dirt trackers. Arsenal had just beaten Leeds in the cup final, so went and gave him the bird in a training session. Got me back and nailed me with a rocket on the side of the head. Still see stars. He could hit a ball.
    GFL.

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    the specialone
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    I think a lot of people just blindly want to support the team if we win and it’s almost like this team is exempt from criticism when we win.
    The simple fact is for all the cleansheets we have kept this season Ramsdale has been hugely responsible for them.It’s not that we have a watertight defense.Let’s compare it to city,Ruben Dias always says his aim is to not only keep clean sheets but to limit the opposition and not even give them one shot on target.
    It’s not the same for us.We always always have nervous moments.We always give opposition chances.Even with leeds playing a relatively weak team they had quite a few shots.
    That’s because I don’t trust this defense.Our quality was found out against those three teams recently.

    Muff,Ben white’s challenge was Utterly stupid and I’d class it as a dumb challenge.The thing is it’s not the first time.You can review his performances on every game this season and If I were to sit with you there are just so many goals he’s been responsibly for.Even when we’ve kept clean sheets.He’s a terrible one on one defender because he just keeps backing off until the player has a shot at goal.
    Remember against spurs he could’ve given a penalty for that kane challenge.Against brentford he was terrible.Everton terrible one on one situations.
    The list just goes on and on and honestly I’m surprised with the amount of clean sheets this team has kept but I’d largely put that down to the brilliance of Ramsdale.

    I’ve really tried to like this kid and want him to succeed for obvious reasons..I think he has a decent mentality.But he’s just not that good of a defender I’ve watched him enough now.
    To think we spent 50m on this is just unfathomable.He was young,unproven so where did that price tag come from.Do you honestly think if we were to get rid of him anyone would pay that amount for him.No ways.

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    Tso read again i did not say it was a good tackle but it was not the dumbest out there.

    What Xhaka did could have cost us more than the pen would if he was sent off which he should have been. Even if someone does deem the stamp to be red its 2 yellow offences in what 10 seconds when there were absolute no need for it. That is dumb and reckless towards the team and that is not the first time he shows his non existent brainpower. Causing a pen is bad but risking a red can have more consequences on the game.

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    The Oracle
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    And then grinning at the ref afterwards shows what a complete prat he is. Why we still have this useless donkey on our books is beyond me.

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    Arsenal have never beaten Leeds in a cup final and in fact have lost to them in an FA Cup final and League Cup final.

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    The Oracle
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    That’s because Leeds never reach Cup Finals

    #2032545

    stev2bath1
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    TSO I don’t think Arteta agrees with you on White so we don’t have to worry about getting our money back and I feel the team/back five keep clean sheets. I accept you don’t rate him but You then compare us, to City and Ruben Dias again its a struggle to get any credibility when you make those comparisons. Any way its all good we won not getting carried away as they were poor just happy we got 3 points and played well away from home

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    the specialone
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    Oh,And you think whatever Arteta does is the completely right and never be wrong?Is it?As a coach I don’t have much criticism for Arteta but as a manager I am completely against his recruitment.The simple fact is he thought it was acceptable to splash out 50m on an unproven Young defender who cannot even get into the England squad.Infact,he did get in but ever since he joined Arsenal he’s been dropped.
    I have been telling you guys review all his performances this season and then come back to me but some you blatantly ignore it and in the most bizzare manager yet again mention the scapegoat of this club Xhaka.

    But I’ll stick to Ben white,he’s had nervy moments in almost every game he’s played in.He’s been found it in some terrible one on one Situations as well.
    I don’t know whether he will become a great player in the future,I certainly hope he does.But me hoping is very different from what kind of performances he’s putting in right now and I can only judge him on that.
    For all the clean sheets we’ve kept,Ramsdale has been most responsible.
    And we’ve anyways kept those clean sheets against mid table sides.
    Is that where you think the “Quality” of this team is tested for.

    As for your comparison with City?Why the bloody hell now am I not allowed to compare Ben white with Someone like Ruben dias?
    Man city signed Ruben dias for 60m – Just an additional 10m.He’s been a rock ever since and arguably the best defender ever since.To back that up it’s just not my opinion but he actually got the Premier league player of the season award.

    So what – Now what we’re not even allowed to compare a 50m signing with a 60m?Are you even hearing yourself stev?Please get rid of that cheap rate mentality and stop having this inferior complex towards teams like City other we as a club WILL NEVER move forward.

    I compared those two because the other was signed for just an extra 10m and we could’ve afforded it.But the quality in both those defenders is there for all to see.

    Ultimately,the success of this team will largely depend on the RECRUITMENT.It’s one area where we cannot afford to go wrong but we usually do.

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    I wouldnt mention Xhaka If he stopped doing stupid things but he cant which is why he is mentioned time after time. You seem fine with what he did and thats ok but calling Whites tackle stupid and ignore Xhakas well of course I question that approach. You have been on Whites back since we paid £50m for which is fine but I rather give a new guy a chance than a lost cause who never learns.

    Xhaka made a nice pass for the second goal though but that does not hide the fact that he is a liabillity on the pitch with mental problems that comes out of nowhere for no reason.

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    The Oracle
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    Continually criticises White because he’s English but thought Mustafi was wonderful and Xhaka the greatest player the world has ever seen and never makes a mistake. Recently started a thread ‘DUMP ALL THE SUMMER SIGNINGS’ the first line ‘Tomiyasu, Ben White, Sambi Lokonga, FUCK OFF and he thinks the fans player of the year and our top goal scorer Emile Smith-Rowe isn’t good enough and should be loaned out. That’s the intelligence you’re dealing with.

    #2032716

    Gooner54
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    Tricky 47.

    Sorry old age taking its toll.

    1971 double. We won the league Leeds 2nd. FA cup against Liverpool and beat them. We had Three players come to guest. He was one, Francis Lee and TC (Coleman) were the others.
    There was a great dislike for Leeds at the North bank, Billy Bremner was their captain. I think Sprake was their keeper. A good team and hard to beat.

    GFL.

    #2032729
    the specialone
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    Muff – No,I don’t defend Xhaka’s disciplinary record.I myself think sometimes what he does is borderline stupid.He asks for a yellow card every single game.I am okay with him making a proffessional foul to get a yellow when we are exposed in the counter(Just like the one he should’ve made against Everton’s winner) but he is going to get a yellow every other game.
    However,I’m sick and tired of his name being mentioned when we are talking about a 50m signing.

    A person has to be purely ignorant and borderline stupid to see that we play 10x better with Xhaka in the team than when we have Lokonga,El nenny or AMN patnering.
    Am I saying he is going to win us the PL?Not at all.I think he has his limitations but his strengths outweigh his limitations.
    I think we have played some of the best football(In most moments of the match) in the last two games in which he has returned from injury.
    And although I don’t even think Xhaka was at his best A lokonga could never make that pass for Martinelli’s second goal.
    I certainly think we need atleast three more midfielders espescially with the system we deploy.And certainly to give Xhaka competetion for his spot.Not only him but even Partey who has overall just been an Underwhelming signing considering his financial package.

    I have absolutely nothing Ben white.I want him to succeed and no one will prove happier if he proves me wrong but the fact is he has been responsible for so many goals.Whether that’s because of a young age/lack of expereince I don’t know.
    And this is not only about Ben white.We have paid a lot of money for Lokonga,taveres who have not lived upto expectations.

    So yes,The recruitment is shite and will be the biggest reason why we won’t achieve top 4 spot at the end of the season.

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