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    steve68
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    wish we was playing this game in a few months time.in saying that
    it might not be a bad time to play pool as teams are getting good
    chances against them.they are a different animal at anfield but all
    i want to see is improvement and that we are getting better.i think
    we are at where pool was 2/3 years ago in the fact their defence and
    goalkeeper were not good enough and now it seems they have addressed
    those issues.

    we got a good hiding there in recent years and we must look to
    compete better away from home.i don’t think we are anywhere near our
    so called best team yet and i honestly don’t think the starting 11
    in the first two games will get anything at anfield.if we do lose,
    then it’s no shame in the fact they are a few years ahead of us but
    we do have the players to hurt them in forward areas.

    the big problem i see if we are to play a good counter attacking game
    can we control the game without the ball?fergie’s team was great at
    that and counter attacked really well.i’m not expecting anything but
    a pool win at this stage of the season but a welcome improvement and
    not getting battered.still,if we can give them a game then who knows
    what might happen.it’s a funny old game as they say.

    #1776973

    stev2bath1
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    My Madly optimistic mate is convinced we will get a win. Although he did predict our long unbeaten run last year I think he is unfortunately wrong on this. I cant see how we would do it unless their front three have a shocker our front three have a blinder and Van Dyke is injured. I would take a draw now and if we come a away with a point it will be a great result. No one expects us to win so we have nothing to loose just don’t get hammered so we loose confidence! COYG

    #1776982

    fatmop
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    I think there will be goals I just hope our defence doesn’t let in too many! We will need a bit of luck but I think we might manage a draw and maybe even a close win.

    I really hope Emery sticks with the three in midfield against Burnley. I am a Xhaka fan but I don’t think any of the three should be dropped as they worked so well against Burnley. Pepe has to start though, yeah?

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    the specialone
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    This is a more important game than people think.It’s not just about the points,it’ll be about the performance as well.A win realistically no one can expect,Liverpool haven’t lost at anfield since the longest time.We’d be lucky to get a draw.But I feel this game will really tell our top 4 credentials.

    You look at the spuds,they went to city away and got a draw.I could never imagine us going to either city or Liverpool away and get a draw.I’m waiting to be proved wrong but I know I’m right.It will be a very telling game.

    #1777567
    the specialone
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    And that my friends is when you don’t have the right personnel to execute your tactics.The game plan was clear,defend deep and hit them on the counter and use the four central midfielders to press them.

    But when you have players like luiz doing comical stuff like that you’re not going to succeed.Willock was ok but lost the ball too man times.Same with guendozi who i thought had a very poor game,and add maitland niles who was generally good but again lost the ball a few number of times.
    Emery was naive in thinking this team can defend.Our biggest strength is attack and we’ll have to continue to do that until we get good defenders.A defender and a midfielder key.

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    stev2bath1
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    Interesting how people see the games differently. I thought Gwen was really good and the best of the midfield today Xhaka and willock were both ok but ceballos was very poor. I thought tactically we got it wrong but I suppose it was worth trying something new as I agree we can’t sit in and defend but I also think trying to outscore them at home could end with another confidence damaging defeat which this was not. Pepe looked good in bits and looks fitter. Luiz was poor on both Sala goals and had mustafi done that he would be slaughtered. In hindsight it was probably the game to go with 3 centre half’s but not sure that would have even worked. 99% will lose there this season so it’s not the end of the world.

    #1777611

    steve68
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    it’s not the end of the world but there was a huge difference in
    class between the teams.i made a comment in the week that torriera
    must start and he looked pretty good when he came on.he’s our best
    midfield player IMO and surely emery must start picking our best
    players and a more settled starting 11.

    pepe looks fantastic and it’s only a matter of time before he
    scores for us.the positives were the above 2 and who knows what
    might have happened if we took our 2 1on1 chances that pepe and
    aub had.i think we will be a force at home but we are a few years
    behind the likes of citeh & pool.thought the game was too big
    for some of our players but hopefully they would have learned a
    lot.i do think emery needs to stop this nonsense passing out
    from the back all of the time.we need to mix up our game more.
    now onto NLD next week.

    #1777635

    muffler_1
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    It was always going to difficult and we all know our defence is dodgy. But one thing that pissed me off if we cant defend why is that our tactic to sit deep. We give away the game by doing that and its not the first time and this is down to Emery.

    Also to say even though jokingly that he dont want to play Pool away thats just stupid. If you want the right mentality from players you say the opposite regardless of what you believe.

    Then again i did not expect anything from this game so it is what it is.

    #1777661
    the specialone
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    Muffler – We tried to defend deep because Emery wanted to demonstrate to us what happens when he uses defensive tactics for his team and that’s the reason he’s focused on simply outscoring the opposition ever since he’s been in charge.
    Although,yes I do agree normally I don’t want us to defend so deep no matter who it is,when you look at it his tactics to a point did work.You have to remember you’re playing Liverpool,we actually gave them about 14 attempts at goal we had 9 attempts which is not bad at all against them.

    Apart from the obvious flaws in our defense,I think the midfield is more key as i said before the season started.we sill have a week midfield.Players like Guendozi and willock only show “moments” of potential but when you were to analyse their game thery’re so sloppy in posession and aren’t the most effective going forward as well.
    I don’t trust them,they might become really good players in the future but to rely on them espescially in big games is crazy.And you can look at the evidence on the big games they’ve played.If we had Ramsey and cazorla in their place the scene would be completely different.Add a van dijk type defender to that and a natural right back and I really beleive we could’ve gotten a result yesterday!

    Go back to the game against Man city when we won 2-0 against city.It was not the best defense but we had a very good midfield who did their job to perfection and that’s why we won there.

    #1777696

    muffler_1
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    Sorry but giving the Wings away too two players who had 23 assist between them last season is not the best tactic. Again sitting deep works if you can keep the ball once you get it. Nothing we have done in years too be honest especially not a team that do high pressing.

    I agree that our midfield consists mainly of players learning their trade still.

    I still think though his tactics where mainly to avoid a big defeat rather than go for a point.

    #1777737
    AndyC
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    Muffler I disagree slightly that giving the wings away was a bad move. It restricted Liverpool massively in the first half. Crosses came in and the additional numbers being narrow meant the ball was getting cleared. Playing with 2 pacey strikers knowing their fullbacks would push on gave us the chance to spring the long channel balls for them and it worked and we should have scored at least twice from that.

    AMN was poor, Ceballos was poor, Monreal was poor, Aubs I thought was poor as well.
    Gwen was solid, Pepe gave us glimpses of what he can do, should have scored 2 goals he is still settling so will let him off.

    Luiz has a very good first half then made a mistake in second, for the pen that ultimately ended any chance of a come back. It meant we had to open up more which just plays into pools hands and so the second half bar last 10 was easy for pool.

    Had auba or Pepe put their chances away in first 30 odd mins it would have been a very different game. The signs are there, proof was in first half we need the likes of bellerin and tierney back fit ASAP. I would have liked to of seen laca start with Auba and Pepe beside him, hopefully next week against the twats from down the road.

    Not gonna get too down about this result pool have a much better defence than us and took their chances well. We are still missing players and have players still finding their feet with us with a good mix of youngsters learning. On that I thought William had small patches of good play but ultimately got overrun by the experience of pools players.

    #1777807

    muffler_1
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    It restricted them sure but it did invite pressure that the longer the game went on would be harder and harder to cope with.

    I agree that after the second it was game over and yes we could have scored also which could have made the game different. Then again we scored the first last time at Anfield just to ship in five after that.

    So yes there are positive signs and I am not to bummed out especially not when the scums just lost at home to Newcastle.

    #1777817

    stev2bath1
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    A couple of people have mentioned Monreal as poor today again I can’t remember him making any significant mistakes he was told to stay narrow and defend and he did well, I think he has played well or at least done his job in all the three games he has played I would not be letting him go as it will also mean we don’t have to rush Tierny in as I think he will need time to adjust.

    #1777952
    the specialone
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    Muffler – I think you’re missing the point here,the only difference between Emery’s tactics yesterday was that we lost 3-1 with the tactics he employed,and we’d have lost circa 6-2 if we would not have sat back and pressed.The result would’ve been the same,the personell is the problem.

    Think of it,the goals we conceded,first one we had guendozi marking matip,i thought luiz could’ve done more as well on the header.Second goal Luiz pulled salah’s shirt.Luiz’s stupidity.However,if anyone noticed Van dijk pulled pepe’s shirt in the exact sam manner but VAR didn’t make anything of it because pepe didn’t go down.VAR Is a farce.Third goal,schoolboy defending from Luiz.All three were avoidable.

    I also want to stress the importance on playing guendozi and willock.They’re not ready,maybe i 3 years they will be but we seem to be the only top club that plays teenagers against big sides.Look at CITY,do they play foden?No.Even though he’s more of a talent than the ones we have.we need to get real.Having them as back ups is fine but we need to make signings in central midfield,expereinced proven signings.As soon as torreira came on we looked better.

    Also,I think all of us expected a loss.But eventually I’m getting tired of this mentality that we should expect to lose no matter who it is.This is AFC,i’ll give them one more trasnfer window and then no excuses.We don’t even get a draw.

    #1777976

    muffler_1
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    Sure personell is a problem not debating that all. All Im saying is that you cant give Pool a freebee to dictate play. Sit back and wait for the goal is not a tactic its to give up from the get go. Which he kind of did with the comments he made pre game. Joke or no joke its something you just dont say.

    I did not say we should do a full court press as you say that would increase the score But just to stand and wait i dont see us winning a single game like that let alone threaten a team like Pool.

    #1778018

    OttawaGunner
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    I agree Muffler, the aim seemed to be damage limitation. It was inevitable that they would score given the amount of possession freely conceded to them especially allowing TAA and Robertson to run free on the wings. I didn’t see any change in tactics after giving up the goal so no real intent to go and win the game. Our strength is our forwards which begs the question as to why Laca was left out again in a big game. Unlike Auba the ball sticks to him and he can bring others into the play. The defence is what we have until Bellerin and Tierney get fit. Emery needs to have a serious look at the midfield and get that sorted. Willock and Guendouzi were being asked to do too much and Xhaka is just not mobile enough to rotate with these two. Ceballos, our only midfield creative threat, had been identified as such and was marked out of the game. Yes we should have been ahead befoe Pool scored but with our setup the odds are we would still have lost.

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