Liverpool v West Ham Sunday 12th Aug 13.30

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    Sean the sailor
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    Pax I think Gomez will start at centre back and he’s my one concern

    Shuts off way to easily. Made a lot of errors leading to goals last season by not being aware of what’s behind him

    Still so young though and klopp clearly rates him. Vvd beside him can only improve the chap

    #1662486

    gingerlfc
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    Lovren is jûst back from holiday so very unlikely to start.
    Matip is injured so won’t start
    Klavan recovering from hamstring strain so unlikely to start.
    That leaves Gomez who’s been partnering VVD recently.
    It’s very likely he’ll start.
    Fantastic potential but still young.
    Let’s cut the guy some slack, eh?

    #1662506

    Big_Balls
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    Nothing against Gomez just don’t see him as a centre back. Right back or possibly a defensive mid. Would prefer to fast track Philips than Joe

    #1662530

    gingerlfc
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    It never fails to astound me the lack of faith liverpool fans have in their own players.

    Gomez is 21 played a few games at centreback and looked good Would prob have travelled to the World Cup with England if he’d not got injured and had been excelling in a back 3 before that injury but already people wanna write him off before his centreback journey has even really begun.

    YNWA

    #1662544
    Red Herring
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    Gomez’s weak point seems to be lack of awareness of movement around him; but hopefully something that he will be able to overcome. The example that highlights it the best is the Sanchez headed goal at the Emirates last season that triggered their comeback in a game that we were coasting. Although Joe was playing at right back, the incident happened when the defence had shuffled across and he was effectively ‘defending’ in the middle of the goal. I wouldn’t say that this issue can be attributed to playing RB or CB as it’s just a general awareness/focus thing that he’s got to get sorted wherever he’s playing.

    #1662552

    Big_Balls
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    Ginge, when was Joe playing in a back three?

    #1662557

    gingerlfc
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    For England, like I said.

    #1662624

    Sean the sailor
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    Playing beside vvd will help the lad bigtime

    Centre back is his position so let’s see how he gets on. He is only 21 so plenty of time on his side

    #1662633
    mwake
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    Yep watched Gomez shackle down Coutinho and Neymar in the friendly at Wembley as part of a three man defence. However I do agree that he is similar to Lovren in the sense that he seems not to relish headers. But when he played for England he had Harry Maguire next to him who loves headers, thankfully at Liverpool he had a even better header of the ball VVD so he should be okay. I’d rather have Gomez over Lovren any day, he has better recovery pace and his reading of the game will get better as he gets older! Also, you can’t compare Lovren who is 29 years old to a 21 year old experience wise. Give Gomez time and his ability to read the game should improve. If we are willing to suffer lovren then we might as well give Gomez the odd chance here and there and fully support him.

    #1662641

    gingerlfc
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    Lovren was very good for much of last season, easily 8 outta 10. He was fantastic in the CL final and he was fantastic in the World Cup. As soon as he’s up to speed he’ll go straight back in and partner VVD in the heart of a defence that conceded very little second half of season and went unbeaten at home all season.

    #1662749
    mwake
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    Lovren divides opinion so much and for me Im on the other side so I have to agree to disagree Ginger on Lovren. For me, he wasn’t fantastic for much of last season. He was competent enough when VVD arrived. But most semi-decent defenders would be good enough with VVD next to them. The real mark of how good Lovren is/was is when he plays without VVD. Yes, Lovren made the WC and CL final but most of the posts on TT were concerning whether Lovren would mess up as he tends to do now and again…That’s why I wanted us to sign a top top player good enough that when VVD is unavailable that we don’t have a massive drop off. As for success as a marker, Djimi Traore won the CL didn’t make him a decent defender in my eyes.

    Lovrens weakness: Heading (especially high swirling crosses). He does win a lot of headers but in the key moments he his heading abilities have failed him so many times Eg. The Roma game, the Spurs match, Man utd match etc.

    Recovery Pace – Once you get past Lovren he rarely is able to recover
    Positioning – Many times he is not in the right place

    Lovrens Strengths: Combative – Very Strong in the challenge – no-nonsense tackler
    Sweeping up – Lovren is better at being the one who drops off mopping up rather than being the “main” defender.

    I made a VVD alternative list a long time ago, and I would still rather have most of those players over Lovren (I think Gomez was on that list and looks like he will get his chance on Saturday). But we will see this season whether “one of the best defenders in the world” (lol) can maintain his form with VVD. And ultimately Mr Klopp loves Lovren so that is that regarding my or anyones opinion, but I always suspect Lovren has some dirty secrets on Klopp lol

    #1662776

    gingerlfc
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    Everyone agrees VVD is a monster in the air. His percentage of aerials duels won this season is 74%. That’s very good.

    If one of Lovrens “weaknesses” was heading you’d think it would be vastly inferior wouldn’t you?
    It’s not.
    Admittedly it’s not as good as VVDs but it’s still pretty good at 67%. Just the 7% less than our monster in defence.

    No matter what Lovren does some won’t give him credit. Their mind is made up on him and it’ll never change again.

    #1662777

    Moonster
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    Mwake, Gomez is injured for tonight’s game, so hopefully he will recover for Sunday….otherwise, we are down to one CB available

    #1662785

    gingerlfc
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    Seems to be precautionary more than anything.
    Sounds like they’re making sure he’s ready for the weekend.

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    MrMakaveli
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    Team I’d play:

    Becker

    TAA – Van Dijk – Fabinho – Robertson

    Lallana – Keita – Wijnaldum

    Salah – Firmino – Mane

    I wasn’t impressed with the young lad at CB. Fabinho already drops back as deep as CB already, he can fill the gap for a match I think. As for TAA, he’s raring to go and came back a week earlier than expected just to be fit for this. That’s good enough for me.

    We’ll have serious quality on the bench if we need to make actual impact substitutions. This is a luxury we didn’t have before, so you can expect to see Sturridge and Shaqiri, who have been immense in preseason.

    Oh ya, as for Lallana. I bet that’s a controversial one but really, that’s the position where he shines. He’s had a full preseason, so he’ll have a physical edge.. something he really needed after last season, so bring him into this season with at least 60 minutes of PL football. I;m confident that if he can stay fit and isn’t used up in the front that he’ll remind people of why Klopp likes him so much. Maybe I’m wrong but hey, it’s good as long as we win right?

    Score 3-0 Liverpool, maybe 4-1.

    #1663195

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    I am with Ginger, Lovren actually had a very good season last season, it is because of previous years that any minor fault get magnified by some, they just can’t be objective anymore.

    #1663197
    MrMakaveli
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    I agree with that too btw. Lovren was caught out the odd time last season but you know Van Dijk was too. Lovren had a really good season, he just needs to shut his mouth and carry on the way he was going.

    #1663257

    Sean the sailor
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    Lalanna wouldn’t even be on the bench for me until he gets fully fit. Looks very rusty and mis placing passes everywhere in pre-season. It tajes him ages to recover and in fairness he missed nearky all of last season

    Gomez centre back for me winji keita and I’d start shquiri In couthino old position

    Team on sat I’d say will be

    Alison
    Taa
    Gomez
    Vvd
    Roberston
    Winji
    Keita
    Milner if fit or fabhino
    Salah
    Firmino
    Salah

    #1663261
    MrMakaveli
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    Starting Shaqiri in midfield is going to leave gaps.

    #1663270
    Rob Fort Worth TX
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    Not necessarily Mak. All depends on how well we keep our compact shape without the ball and how effective in their organizational and communication skills the midfield are. If Salah and Mane pinch in and do their jobs well and the 6 and 8 cover and communicate effectively that will help Shaqiri if he gets the 10 role. I’m sure they’re working on that at Melwood this week. We did it well when Shaq played there against United so I see no reason why we can’t follow suit v WHU.

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