Liverpool v West Ham Sunday 12th Aug 13.30

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    Songman
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    Ginger, we could see the midfield you suggested mainly in tough away games, where two holding midfielders (e.g. Henderson and Fabinho) would be ideal, with Keita, or even Shaqiri, having licence to roam

    #1665280

    Sean the sailor
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    Pl but if options in midfield guys. Really strong in that Area now.

    Really enjoyed watching us play yday but I’ll never get. Worried away. Long tough season ahead but is the best squad we have had in a very long time

    #1665288

    bofa
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    The one negative thing I’d say about Klopp (and it’s really not a huge thing) is that he’s always very slow to make substitutes. Someone on here suggested yesterday that it could be because he wanted to get the match fitness of the front three up to scratch.

    However, he’s always been this way but may have his reasons i.e. consistency, let the players get the goal tally and confidence up etc. However, surely when we’re battering West Ham we should be giving Shaqiri and Sturridge or whomever Klopp thinks needs to go on, a bit more pitch time.

    Thankfully, the front trio appear not to be injury prone but did we really need to risk them? Shaqiri came on in the 82nd minute and Sturridge on the 87th. It’s a very long season and we have way more cover in centre midfield so can rotate those positions more that we can the front three. So, why not take the trio off earlier when we don’t need them?

    #1665357
    Number8wasgr8
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    Agree Bofa, gives the fringe players time on the pitch in 1st team action and a rest to our big guns. To me that’s a win win.

    #1665418

    gingerlfc
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    Not only do the fringe players need more game time to give other guys a break/rest the players themselves need the game time to stay fresh and sharp. If we get an injury to one of the front 3 we want Sturridge/Shaqiri/whoever to be sharp and fit enough to come in and do an effective job.

    #1665420

    Sean the sailor
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    i was thinking after 65 mins to give shaq and Sturridge a run.

    ive watched the Sturridge goal a few times. did he defo get the final touch? was it off his knee?

    very hard to make it out

    #1665437
    The Fulcrum
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    Hard to get the balance. Agree Klopp at times seems to use subs a little late. But at the same time made sense to let our front 3 get back into the swing with no pressure and gave keita a chance to develop that almost telepathic understanding they have.

    #1665445

    gingerlfc
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    Songman, Hendo doesn’t necessarily have to be a holding midfielder if Fabinho is behind him. Don’t be surprised if he takes up a role similar to what Milner/Wij has been mostly playing i.e. Fabinho holding midfielder, Hendo in the centre but bursting forward more, Kieta attacking midfield.

    #1665457

    Songman
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    Depends on who Klopp sees us the holding midfielder of the two, or he might even play both as holding midfielders depending on the opposition. Still early days for Fabinho, so it remains to be seen as to what happens when both these players are on the pitch

    #1665489

    redsforever
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    Whoever that guy is that harassed mo salah in the middle of traffic for autographs is a fucking cunt.

    #1665632
    MrMakaveli
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    I just saw it, wow it really grinds my gears to see this kind of crap. The guy is just harassing him and loudly calls him “horrible”, whilst continuing to try and get an autograph. What a disgusting human. The world needs less people like this.

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    Rob Fort Worth TX
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    Song, yes, two holding mids in Fab and Hendo could work nicely in almost a 4231 with Bobby as the 9 flanked by Salah and Mane and then Keita/Shag as the 10. With the ball we’d be a 3-1-3-3 (one 6 splitting the CB’s 3 – the remaining 6 as the 1 – the fulls and the 10 as the 3 and finally the usual 3 up top). Balance and support.

    #1665655
    nediarb2
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    I hate it when football turns into maths! ☺

    #1665677
    MrMakaveli
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    As for the discussion about taking players off earlier yesterday. They didn’t need a rest, they needed to build up match fitness and the best way to do that is to play as many minutes as possible. Getting the lads good and tired will have them being fresher for the next match, than they would be if you “rested” them.

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    mwake
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    Bofa – I’ve been saying that for a while about TAA. He’s a little overrated IMHO, I’m not saying he not a great young player (he showing amazing maturity in fact ). But if you are going to assess him as a right back which is the position he plays in then his weakness is he gets turned and stripped fairly easily by the top top players and even the likes of Antonio had him in trouble once or twice. When I watch the game I see that he gets a lot of protection from the centre-backs and midfielders, I think Klopp is aware of his weakness. Compare that with Clyen who rarely needs support and deals fairly well with 1 vs 1s.

    Thats not to bash TAA he is going to be amazing for us – but I personally think Klopp will eventually push him into the attacking midfield position as his passing is amazing for such a young guy.

    On Keita – Is there even any player in this league that is adept at turning defence into attack soo well? I dont think City or United have anyone good at that, the only other player I can think who is similar is Tottenhams Demebele, but Demebele is injury prone and getting old, Kante is good too, maybe slightly better defensively but his attacking isnt nowhere as good as Keita’s. Whereas Kante might get a nosebleed when in the final third Keita relishes being in the final third.

    #1666809

    bofa
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    I agree Mwake, I don’t think he’s a natural full back but he has an awful lot of time on his side. He’ll definitely push further up in time.

    As always, the expectation is huge for a young lad at Liverpool but there’s so much that can happen over a couple of years. For me, it’s impossible to say how he’ll be doing in 2/3 years at this time.

    Regarding Keita, he has the ability to be world class in my opinion. He has frightening talent.

    #1666816
    MrMakaveli
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    I don’t agree that Trent will be pushed to attacking midfield by Klopp. It’s true that he has a lot to learn but he’s going to learn it. It’ll take time and patience from the fans. Yes, he gets a lot of praise because in attack he’s simply brilliant. If they can round off his game he’ll be unstoppable.

    Now, were it another manager, with other players then yes, Trent might be moved to midfield but there just isnt any space for anyone who isnt brilliant at playing that position. He’d never get a look in. So, Klopp is going to do what he can here and I think it’ll work out. I mean. compare Trent to Moreno… No comparison and Moreno is the finished article, still at the club. I mean, in a way he’s not the best example because he’s obviously got some dirty secret on Klopp but ya…

    #1666821

    Big_Balls
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    Mwake, isn’t being a top player the reason why they can turn and strip a full back. Sane, Mahrez, Mane, Salah, Zaha have the ability to go past any full back in the world at some point in a match.

    #1666920

    bofa
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    Mak & Bg balls: It’s just a gut feeling with him. I think he has a lot of potential and he’s basically still a child in footballing terms so the scope for improvement is enormous whether it be at full back or not.

    I take your point Mak re the midfield and as we continue to buy players and become stronger, it will be much more difficult to get into a midfield spot. You also made a point on another topic that it’s not right to compare him to Robertson which I agree on. Robertson, for me, is a perfect full back.

    I just don’t think that he has the same game as Robertson to turn into that player but I think he has the potential to improve hugely at going forward from midfield given time.

    This season will be huge for him.

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    mwake
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    Hey Big Balls totally agree with your point 100%…I think I already mentioned that Trent is young and made context to the fact that he dealt with one of the best wingers in the world really well. But…if you compare the way his opposite Robertson deals with tricky wingers compared to Trent, Robertson generally deals quite well with tricky pacey players better than Trent does and even if he gets beat shows great recovery pace and tackling.

    Of course, I repeat Trent is 19 but regardless its still for me a source of nail-biting worry for me compared to how I feel about Robertson, who makes me feel a whole lot more relaxed. the comments I make aren’t about cussing Trent just making honest observations, of course, no player is perfect lol But even with my constructive assessment of his weaknesses Trent is a hell of a player and will be amazing by the time he is 25 years old, I shudder to think how high his ceiling can be!

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