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    stev2bath1
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    I just don’t know how to approach this? I think the only way we can beat them is sit back and try and catch them on the break but I don’t know if we can do it with this team. As well as we have been playing I don’t think we are good enough to go toe to toe and at the moment no team in the league is. As much as I would love it to be this is not our benchmark Team so all I can hope is we have a worldly and they have a stinker and we manage to get some points out of the game.

    #2036167
    The Oracle
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    Well done Xhaka you prize cnut. How many more games will this prat cost us. How many more points will we drop because of this brain dead knucklehead. Kick the moron out of the club during this window, I’m sick of his attitude, sick of his never ending errors and sick of the fact he’s fcuking useless. The young players give everything and get let down by this donkey every week. And then Gabriel goes and does something almost as stupid, argues with the ref then commits a needless foul. Xhaka has cost us a vital 3 points again. He must go.

    #2036193

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    Absolutely gutted that’s the best we have played against one of the best teams in the world and should have got a result! One min cost us the game. Martinelli missed an open goal then Xhaka stupid shirt pull and Gabriel no brains stupid booking times two!!!!! We lost this game as opposed to being beaten. Just gutted ! Some great performances, from Partey, Saka, Martineli apart from that miss both full backs were great first half was absolutely brilliant. I am gutted today as opposed to angry.

    #2036205
    The Oracle
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    Stev2bath1, I also thought Ben White had an excellent game, In fact the back5 apart from that idiot Gabriel were excellent. Shame Martinelli couldn’t have put that one away. The new signings together with The Hale End boys give us a superb base from which to work. Clearly the useless Xhaka has to be dumped, that stupid tackle was lazy couldn’t care less and typical. And the petulance afterwards illustrated everything you need to know about this clumsy donkey. Given Gabriel’s indiscipline as well Xhaka’s attitude seems to be rubbing off on other players. Partey probably had his best game and playing with Xhaka can’t help. Get Haaland, Rice or Bellingham and we’ve got a team but whatever happens that moron Xhaka has to go.

    #2036321
    The Oracle
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    I’m still fuming at that crass idiots behaviour today

    #2036349

    stev2bath1
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    Still gutted not angry. Really proud of that first half and three players mistakes ending up costing us the game! Partey has turned up just before Afcon going to have to use the squad let’s hope we can keep this level of performance up!

    #2036353
    AndyC
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    We were very good today and if we play like that consistently we will have a great chance at 4th.
    Ref was awful today not just the big decisions but many little things went against us. Where we get booked city just got told off, the blatant favouritism was there for all to see.
    We had stone wall pen denied you can’t get man then ball and it be ok. Their own was a pen, but it was also a dive in the same action. Up until that xhaka and partey were playing really well. Gabriel had a red mist 5 mins, ref could and should have a done a better job of just pulling him to the side and getting him to calm down, didn’t have to produce 2nd yellow. Rodri made same challenge and just got a talking too…
    Feel for the boys today, they played fantastically well up until that pen. Then the mad 5 mins and after that 10 men against city was going to be tough however we still dug in well, but they are the best team by some way at moment.
    Martinelli missed an open gaping goal, that would have put us in good place to win and that changes everything after.
    Opportunity missed and we played really well against best team in England if not In the world at the moment.
    Atmosphere was again electric and lively. We are doing the right things and getting better the more they play and train together a clear style and philosophy and players playing for each other and giving it all.

    #2036371
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    Gotta commend the overall display by Arsenal. Individual stupity today cost you a win. I thought you guys were the better team overall. As for the pens, it’s tough but I actually think the right calls were made. For the one you guys had turned away I don’t think there was enough evidence to say Ederson didn’t get the ball, remember there has to be conclusive evidence to overturn an on-field decision. As for the City pen, had Xhaka not had a fistful of his shirt I think the on field decision would have remained. The refs have been fairly consistent with shirt and body grappling in recent weeks. If it wasn’t for that I think they would have said Silva is diving (which he still did really).
    Gabriel’s red card I can’t help think is cultural. When you have senior leaders like Xhaka getting stupid yellows week in, week out and arguing with refs, well other players are going to do the same. absolute stupidity.

    #2036506

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    Good point, foxy. Like most, I thought that the first yellow was for scuffing up the penalty spot. Only after watching MOTD, was it seen that it was for dissent. When you have the stand-in captain ( ie after Lacazette was subbed), behaving like a jerk in every match, the kids will think it’s ok. If Arteta doesn’t reprimand Xhaka for his pathetic and obvious penalty, then he will continue to cost us as he has since he’s been here. If he gets booed in his next mach, he will fully deserve it. Did you see the “look-at -me” runt run faster than he has ever done in his life when he did his one man show of closing down?! As they said on BT Sport, his job at 1-1 was to keep things steady at the back and in the middle, not charge up the pitch in a pathetic attempt to show the fans how committed he was. He could have cost us again as he had earlier. When will Arteta learn to discipline this player that no-one in the world wanted except for that busted flush, Mourinho, and even he was not willing to fork out more than £10m.

    #2036511
    The Oracle
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    Jeff, the deal to sell The Donkey to Roma was done and dusted. Edu had agreed the deal then Arteta overruled Edu and for some unknown reason kept the useless pudding at the club and then gave him another contract. He refuses to play AMN unless he has to, he’s played 1 game in midfield and was MOTM, since then he’s hardly been in the squad. But Xhaka gets preferential treatment for some reason and is HIS first name on the team sheet. Were it not for Xhaka’s laziness and stupidity we would have won yesterday but how many times have we said this over the years

    #2036578
    the specialone
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    Have to admit we have the most predictable fan base in the world.The same old positive fans trying to take positives out of a game we shouldn’t have lost.Concentrating on the incidents.Everyone knows that was a very poor refereeing performance so no point going over it again and again.
    For me the biggest talking point should be the fact that we conceded in injury time.
    I think that speaks volumes about the poor mentality of this squad.Deep down inside I had this feeling we would concede a winner somewhere down the line,so little is my confidence in this team and I was proven right.

    The fact is we had a fully fit squad avaialble,had a week’s rest that city didn’t have and were on red hot form.Yet as soon as we come up against a good side we bottle it.
    I absolutely despise fans trying to take positives out of this game,the simple fact is we lost.
    And the manner we lost in is just so discouraging.

    Ok,so the situation was we had a brainless 15 mins in the second half.But once Gabriel got sent off we did well to hold on.We even bough on El nenny and took out an attacking player.So there was no excuse to concede.Yes,it was completely understandable we couldn’t score but why concede?
    So once and for all I want to remove this label that we are a good defensive side because we’re not.
    It Is against teams like city in games like yesterday that our resilience is tested not against mid table depleted sides.And we failed.

    What do you expect?You have Rob Holding coming off the bench who’s our third choice.This guy wouldn’t have lasted over a year at any other top club but hey it’s Arsenal.Co-incidentally,he was respomsible for not marking/taking care of rodri for his winning goal.
    I’m not a fan of Ben white and Tomiyasu either.Just like this club they flatter to decieve.

    In our whole defense only Ramsdale,Gabriel and Tierney are good enough to make us achieve our goals.

    #2036810

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    TSO do you watch football in general? Its actually very common to let a goal happen in the final minutes of a game. This due to fatigue and on top of that being one man down to the best team in the league in our case.

    We are not the only club that happens to as you seem to think we are. Sometimes your logic does not make any sense.

    Are we the best defensive unit No we are not but what happened against city hapoens very often for many teams its called football.

    #2036865
    the specialone
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    Yes,Muffler.I watch football in general and to make you understand better a lot more than you do.I am convinced you don’t actually read my posts,because the only one making illogical arguments is yourself.Speaking nonstop constant gibberish since the City game and espescially scapegoating Xhaka even though there were so many people that admitted the penalty was 50/50 with Bernardo already on the way down so how you can call it stupid is beyond me.

    On top of that,now you say conceding an injury time winner is common.What absolute nonsense do you speak?Then you sight fatigue as a reason for it.If you had any sort of awareness and research you’d know we city played an extra midweek game and we had about 3-4 extra day’s rest over them which is a huge advantage.
    The reason why we conceded is because it’s a mentality issue and it’s a lack of quality issue.You bring on Rob holding who wouldn’t last more than a year at any other top club and that happens.
    This was also our fourth major test against a big team and we failed.We’ve lost all four against Liverpool,everton,Man utd and Now man city.The games that really matter.
    Instead,you’re making excuses here saying it’s “common” to concede in the last minute.Just fantastic,I think you should revisit your thoughts.

    #2036886

    stev2bath1
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    TSO you have constantly shown a lack of understanding of the game and of this Arsenal Team. We have a very good back five but you think we have a poor defence. We Did not concede in open play against one of the best teams in Europe when we had 11 men and lost to a last min goal. Your take on this game is that Holding is not good enough to be third or 4th choice or we should have better. You take no positives out of the performance when everybody else does. I agree we should have been better against United and Everton but then you include City and Liverpool? I am trying to help you understand a bit more about the game and where we are as a club at the moment.

    #2036905
    The Oracle
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    Stev & Muffler, why are you pair bothering with this idiot? You’re wasting your time. This idiot reckoned Mustafi was world class, he defends every cock up made by Xhaka, of course it was a penalty, every pundit and ex ref has said it was blatant. This fool constantly criticises Tomiyasu who is signing of the season, White who has been excellent and Lokonga. He reckons Smith-Rowe isn’t good enough and should be loaned out but he wanted to spend £35m on Buendia. He hates our young players even though they saved the team last year and this year. He moaned that Kronkie wouldn’t spend money, we have spent a fortune in the last 3 years. We spent £150m on new players and he says they’re all crap. You’re just wasting your time he doesn’t know anything about the game and all he will do is bombard you with illogical nonsense. If you engage with him he will just carry on spouting his nonsense. Just ignore him so we can get back to reasonably sensible comments. I’ve warned you both before, you won’t get anywhere.

    #2036909
    the specialone
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    Stev – I didn’t expect anything less from you.You have a habit of constantly twisting and turning around certain things to suit this team which Is why I refer to you as Mr.Positive.
    Let me just tell you I get absolutely no pleasure in criticising my team,I call it like I see it and I don’t hide behind curtains spitting facts.If I say something I stick by it and it’s that this season has been filled with false dawns.Many results have been decieveing.We have made our defensive numbers/Clean sheets against depleted mid-table sides and relegation threatened sides.

    How can you say we have a “Very good” back five when they’ve failed to keep a clean sheet against even one proper top side.
    We’ve conceded against Liverpool,spuds,Man utd,chelsea,Man city,Everton all of them.
    In those games we’ve conceded a total of 19 goals.Now take any of those top sides and see how many they’ve conceded against each other.
    The only reasons we’ve kept many clean sheets is down to the brilliance of Ramsdale more often than not.I don’t credit this defense.I think it’s a week defendse and I stand by what I said that Gabriel,Tienery and Ramsdale are the only ones good enough to take us where we want.
    That’s not to say this defense is terrible but it’s certainly not good enough either.
    Players like Tomi and Ben white.I don’t think they’re bad.But I think they lack the quality to take us to where we ant to be and if we can’t do it this season with them then we will never anything else is just excuses.
    I actually like Ben whit’s attitude and mentality but I just don’t think he’s that good a central defender.

    Lastly,we will not make top four.This result against city has convinced me.We not only lack the squad quality but also the squad depth.Take Laca our and our strike force will be unrecognisable.Take gabriel out and this defense will be as weak as they come.

    Again,I challenge anyone to take me up on my offer.A lot of people love to spout support for these youngsters.And as much as I have nothing against younsters,I just don’t think it’s the formulae for success and we are the only club in the world that has the money but has failed to adapt.
    Come on now,don’t back out.We are still in a very good position to finish in the top 4 but as per my analysis we won’t.There are so many posters that constantly argue with me about this squad so don’t be a coward now.
    Anyone thinks we will finish in the top 4?The way you lot comment one would certainly think you do.But yeah,I highly doubt you’ll take up my offer.

    #2036922

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    TSO- what are you on about? You do not learn anything and as stev says, you need to try and watch games and understand from them. You constantly excuse that abhorrent excuse for a footballer, Xhaka as you did Mustafi. You also praised to the hilt ex-players who were average such as Walcott, Iwobi, Coquelin etc. I remember you wailing that we “only” got £35m for that penguin runner Iwobi, whilst everyone else says it’s the best business this club has ever done as £35m a few years ago is worth much more in today’s money. I do not think we will get fourth place and never thought we would. A few weeks ago I posted that we might get sixth or seventh and last week suggested that we could get seventh now which would be a disaster as we would then enter that crap competition that even Spurs are now pleased they have been kicked out of. We are unlikely to get fourth as the likes of United, Spurs and West Ham have better managers than we have. What has Moyes done since taking over around the same time as Arteta? The Hammers nearly got relegated, their dressing was far more broken than ours. He has got them where they are on a next spend of c £65m in four transfer windows. Next, it’s no coincidence that we played “with the handbrake” off even after going 1-0 against City as our micromanager was not present. Arteta is not close to being a good manager and I still have my doubts if he ever will become one. You defend him as he won ” and FA Cup and fixed a broken dressing room inn his first season.! Crap, we won a Cup by playing ok in rounds 3-6 and then played lie an English Atletico in the semi and final. We created hardly anything, but Aubameyang, in peak form, converted in both games. Since then, Arteta’s team selection, “tactics”, in-game management and substitutions have been lacking. When it comes to the crunch now in the last few months of the season, Arteta will screw up again. Letting AMN go for c £10m is the beginning of his idiotic moves. If he manages to get us into 4th place, let me know your favourite charity and I promise you I will put £100 into it. By the way, by favourite charity, I do not include Xhaka’s pension fund.

    #2036935

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    TSO you do realise that fatigue plays a part in the decision making Because If you are tired you are more prone to make mistakes. We were also down to 10 men for 35 min and that takes it toll on players its very common with last minute goals down to 10 men because you sometimes think you made it and then switch of a bit. This is what happens in many games and teams. As for City playing midweek thats a factor and it showed until the pen and sending off happened. After that a team can get a mental boost seing that they now can win it and run more to push more. This is also very common in sports If things go well you get more energy and the other way around. There is science around this topic and not just not in football.

    Watching is one thing understanding it another and you is a stat master with no understanding of the game.

    As for Xhaka again soft but he put his leg out for Bernardo to fall over and then pulled the shirt on the way down. Im sorry but that is stupid on Xhakas part no doubt about it had he not Bernardo could not dive over it.

    Oracle last answer on my part to him he clearly dont have clue about the game

    #2036953
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    Jeff – Mate honestly are you even reading what you’re writing.I am not going to justify myself time and again and repeat just because you lot fail to understand my post and as a result I end up repeating myself over and over again.
    Firstly,Regarding the city game My simple point was we need to remove this “Good defensive” team or a “resilient” team tag away from this team.Because if we were,we’d have kept clean sheets or atleast conceding fewer goals against top teams.We would also have held on against city.I don’t get it how anyone can mention fatigue?When we have a few extra days rest over city.Not only that – But even if we did lose a player – So what?It is understandable from then on we don’t go on to score another as we have to remain cautious but How does that excuse our team for conceding a winner.All our players were defending after that and we even bought on a defensive midfielder for an ofensive player.I just don’t get the logic that gets spouted on here.
    This is our record when we get a red card – Against wolves last season Luiz got sent off and we go on to lose.Against city xhaka gets sent off and we get thrashed.Against City recently gabriel gets sent off and we Lose.Why is it always we get a man sent off and WE HAVE TO CONCEDE?It’s just beyond my understanding.
    Let’s look at chelsea?Earlier on in the season they went down to 10 men and managed to hold onto a draw against a red hot liverpool side for more than half the game remainging and that too at anfield.That is called a good defensive unit – Not Arsenal’s.

    Where Xhaka is cocnerned.I will say this for the last time.At no point have I said he is our saviour.I do think he’s a very decent and useful player who has his moments but for me if anyone thinks that there are better midfielders at the club that deserve to start over him – Well they’ve got their heads so far up their arses that their hatred for Xhaka is blinding them.
    I have always maintained we need to sign midfielders to compete with him.Healthy competetion.And no Lokonga or El nenny or AMN can solve our midfield problems.

    Lastly,You then go on to say that Arteta is not a good manager with absolutely no factual evidence of it.Yet when I present facts infront of you like – Arteta has achieved the most points in the PREMIER LEAGUE only after PEP GUARDIOLA’S CITY in exactly the past year – You blatantly ignore it.He has also won us a trophy with a broken dressing room that speaks volumes about his potential.
    Then you lot have the audacity to question my understanding of them game when all you spout is just your opinions which is purely subjective.Just fantastic.

    Muffer – I have tried to maintain a line of respect towards you,but you have crossed the line now you say I have no clue about the game.It’s ok,You and stev and that other robot can hold hands and discuss with each other since you’re the only posters on here.I know for myself whatever I predict is true and that surely validates my “Understanding of the game”.

    #2036970

    muffler_1
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    Now i know that saying someone speaking gibberish,being ilogical and nonsensical means showing someones view respect.

    Where can i find that dictionary?

    Anybody maybe in the states?

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