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    Jeff
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    Arteta is not a good manager and I’ve given you the example of Moyes ( whom I do not rate), who has done a better job in the same time and spent less. The Hammers dressing room was far more “broken” under Pellegrini as they were one point off relegation when he took over. As for FA Cups, come on, Wigan and Portsmouth have won that trophy in the not too distant past, does that make their managers good?! The League is a true reflection of a manager’s abilities and Arteta, Pep’s iPad man, is learning on the job, or trying to. Don’t give me points won in a 12 month period, that’s rubbish, he’s got two 8th place finishes since he’s been here. I do question your understanding of the game as does every poster on here. Yes, my opinions are subjective- I think Arteta is not up to it. For example, on player judgement( Leno v Martinez), recruitment ( Willian and Cedric), team selection (Elneny always before AMN), “tactics” (backwards and sideways), in-game management ( Villareal both legs and most league games where we go behind), player retention ( Xhaka) and substitutions ( Nketiah on the left wing), and many others, he’s clueless. You’re on your own on this forum, TSO.

    #2036984

    the bsm walk
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    TSO, give it up. You went on to say that our defensive record was only good because we did so against depleted teams. By the same token you also said Arteta is a great manager because he’s taken the most points in this year behind Pep.

    So how does that argument wash because we’ve only played according to you ‘depleted’ teams you cannot have it both ways.

    I think Xhaka is our best midfielder in that position but it does not excuse him from making mistakes. You said we need healthy competition for him – no he needs replacing someone that can offer more than what Xhaka brings, but does not make them mistakes. Do you ever see Rodri or Fabinho constantly make those errors leading to goals? If they do it’s an anomaly as they’re intelligent enough not to do it…

    Those things he brings to the team do not outweigh the negatives, it’s like saying I’ll have a striker who will score a goal every time he’s on but gets sent off every time he is on as well. It’s not worth it. Xhaka needs replacing ASAP because the whole structure of the team needs replacing and every position slowly but surely needs replacing as we need a complete fresh team from previous regimes.

    #2037031
    the specialone
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    Jeff – The premier league is a true reflection of the manager’s abilities.

    Yet you completely ignore he’s picked up the second most points in the past years in that same prestigious league.I can only laugh now.

    BSM – Arteta is getting the best out of this squad atleast to a certain extent.I’ve always maintained he’s a good coach.He’s bringing the best out of what he has.Yes,he is also responsible for those recruitments and that is why he’s not a good manager yet.Now,Don’t quote me on that “Arteta is a good manager” because I’m clearly saying he’s a good coach but to be a good manager you have to get things right off the field as well and he’s messed up in the recruitment.
    You guys simply don’t understand do you,He needs someone else building a team for him because even if he was sacked then the next manager would have the same squad.
    This whole policy of youth development dosen’t work in modern football if you want to succeed.
    As the Greatest manager of this club Wenger said “You develop youth at the cost of points”.And whilst I may have no problem in Hindering youth development,absolutely none.Let’s not pretend it’s going to be the cost of success.

    #2037034

    stev2bath1
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    TSO everybody is entitled to there opinion but it helps if your points show some understanding of the game. If you are saying something that no one else believes the likely hood is you are wrong. Tomi is a prime example you don’t rate him and think that was a poor buy. If you ask 100 fans 99 would disagree with you on the basis of of cost and performance. Even at this early stage and even if this is as good as he gets no one would say he is a bad buy, but you think everyone else is wrong??? I have no idea why you keep mentioning the top 4? No one on here or anywhere I have seen has said we should be top 4. Again if they did it would show a lack of understanding. That fact we could is an achievement in itself. United have by far the best squad of the challengers and if they turn up then they should do it but we hope they don’t then we have a chance but that’s all. I hope this helps!

    #2037052
    The Oracle
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    You’re wasting your time people. Nothing this fool says makes any sense whatsoever. All you’re doing is feeding him, you respond to his ludicrous missives and he will keep producing crackpot replies. Then again if you ignore him he will just reply to himself over and over again. The guys lack of any understanding of the game is embarrassing. You’ll never get any sense out of him but if you’re happy to waste your time on this clot carry on.

    #2037055

    Jeff
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    TSO- you are hard work. Is there a trophy for getting the most points in a calendar year? No doubt when Wenger was here you’d say, “he was on schedule for the title for most of the season, every season, until March!” For your information, the season starts in August and finishes in May. At the end of each season, teams’ positions are analysed. Just wondered if you knew that?

    #2037140
    the specialone
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    Jeff – I guess you lot only understand if only each and every word is spelt out isn’t it?I’ll try one last time.After that your on your own because it really is mind boggling the point hasn’t gotten through yet.

    Arteta is getting the best out of the squad.That is what the manager is judged on.Not what position he will finish at the end of the season but is he getting the best out of his players.
    He very clearly is.Now What do I have to back up this argument?Well,Facts.Maybe you should go and undersrand the meaning of that.
    It’s that in the past one year he has achieved the most points in the Premier league only after Pep.But more than a klopp,tuchel or anyone else you can name.
    If that is not enough to convince you based on the squad he solely has at his disposal he’s doing a good enough job than your standards must be at an impractical and unreasonable level.

    Now whether it comes to him not making us finish in the top 4,that’s because he has got nowhere near the squad at his disposal required to do that.If you really think this squad is good enough even for a top 6 finish I’m sorry you’re deluded.
    Yes,he spent 150m.It still dosen’t change the fact he’s signed the players he has and any manager whether him or anyone else will have the same squad to deal with.

    So yes,Ofcourse I will judge him on the squad he has under him.Every youngster seems to be performing under him.A lot of people still don’t realise though the challenges he has.
    I just don’t agree with his recruitment.That’s precisely why i suggest somone else has to come in and help him in that department.But until then,if you really think he’s not done a good enough job in the past year even after him being backed up with factual evidence,then I can call a taxi for ya.

    #2037200
    foxyfoxes
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    Is this kid for real? (I’m assuming he’s a kid, right???)
    Conceding in the last minute to arguably the best club side in world football right now. A side who have 2 world class players for every single position, and you’re saying it’s not good enough? The only thing he has said that has any validity is that Ramsdale has won you many points this season (10 or so by my reckoning), which would put you guys around that 7-10th position mark. The defence is good and well organised, however the buffons that are supposed to shield that defence are attrocious. It’s been a problematic position for you guys for many a year, I think. But then so has the defence and that seems to be getting there.
    Small steps. If you guys can get top 6, I think you can expect to start attracting a better class of player, I’m just not sure Arteta is capable of attracting that class of player.

    #2037298

    muffler_1
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    Well foxy he is the only one who cant see where issue starts when it comes to defending. Its been obvious for many years although previously the issue was also the defence with his previous favourite WC winner Mustafi who just based on that was a good defender and fans broke him.

    I agree with your post though.

    #2037328

    Jeff
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    Yes, he’ll give Arteta the “12 months runners -up points” trophy. TSO, I give up with you, you’re beyond help. By the way would the taxi be yellow?!

    #2037343
    The Oracle
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    Until you lot learn to ignore the fool he will keep churning out endless nonsense. You’re wasting your time he knows nothing about the game and less about Arsenal. We get a sensible guest come on here like foxy and he must be laughing his socks off at the never ending ignorance.

    #2037392
    the specialone
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    This thread is proof this is the most confused fan base in the world.They don’t even want to understand what another poster is saying.They will twist,turn,Mince words and dilly dally and put words in my mouth even after backing statements with clear examples.
    Here,no essense is given to a fact.People’s opinions are considered above and beyond everything.
    You have a manager who has achieved the second most points in the league in a calendar year with an average squad and he absurdly is deemed not good enough.

    Then You have another fan signting fatigue as a reason for conceding a last minute winner so blatantly ignoring that the conceding team had a suffcient couple of days rest over the other team.Then he says we were down to ten men,and when I point out to him even if you are down a man that is absolutely no excuse for conceding.It might be a good reason for not scoring but conceding – Espescially when you have a fresh player coming off the bench.Even if you ignore this game – I listed several other games as examples where we’ve gone down a man and gone onto concede and consequently lose the game.Even that is not enough.Then I list Chelsea not conceding for an extra 45 minutes against Liverpool with 10 men and that too at anfield even that example is not good enough?It’s come to a point where I can only start laughing at the stupidity of some on here.

    Enjoy holding each other’s hands and whinging.You guys don’t even have the balls to admit it when you were wrong when you asked for managerial changes three times in the past 6 years and when they didn’t bear fruitition you say the manager we hired is not good enough even though he goes on to the next club and make history over there.As case in point to Unai Emery at Villareal.

    It’s pretty clear on here.There is zero importance or value given to facts.And just about everything give to an Opinion.
    This is Arsenal – Ladies and Gentlemen.

    #2037397
    The Oracle
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    😂 😂 😂 😂 Hilarious. He is without doubt barking mad 😂 😂 😂

    #2037420

    the bsm walk
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    TSO – Villarreal has slowly regressed from that fifth spot in 19-20… I don’t know why you keep mentioning Unai Emery he’s finished 5th, 7th and now he’s 8th currently in the table. I do not care if he won that Mickey Mouse trophy, I really do not. If you think finishing below the top four is a measure of success with a team then you need help

    #2037482
    the specialone
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    BSM – Firstly,Emery has never had a champions league squad.This is the problem with you lot,You don’t understand and you don’t even analyse what kind of squad a manager has at his disposal.You automatically want them to Over-acheive (It was Emery at Arsenal,then Emery at Villareal and now Mikel Arteta at Arsenal) a top 4 spot.If they don’t – Then they are not good enough.It was Wenger first,then Emery and now Arteta and I can bloody well write it down that it will be the next manager as well who won’t be deemed good enough in your perpsective.

    The simple fact is Emery made history at Villareal by making them win win their first major Honour.If That subsequently makes you qualify for The Champions league.Ofcourse that’s an overachievement.Don’t lambast him for doing it another way than top 4.Barcelona,Real,atletico and Sevilla have always had better squads than Villareal Comfortably.This is not even a debate.
    Now,Because you hated him at Arsenal and never thouht he was the right fit,You are trying to take away this one achievement away from his as well is it.

    And Just FYI,He has done a great job at Villareal.Please go and do your research.They not only qualified for the CL knockout stages but are 3 points away from a top 4 spot.You so convinIENTLY mention they are currently 8th in the table.LOL

    #2037488
    The Oracle
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    And he drones on, and on, and on, and on, and on. And you lot keep feeding him, on and on, and on 🙄

    #2037522

    muffler_1
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    Haha wow completly lost it now.

    Apparently you can never get tired during a game If you have rested for a week.

    He must know something that no doctor does then haha.😂

    #2037633

    the bsm walk
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    TSO if they are eight and three points off top four that says more about the quality of other teams than how magical Villarreal are doing.

    The thing is you are so hell bent on proving it has absolutely nothing to do with the manager you will use any trick up your sleeve. Stop just stop, when will you accept that when Wenger was in charge and made criminal mistakes like persisting with crappy duds such as Denilson that it was his fault and nobody else’s…

    #2037648
    the specialone
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    BSM – Sorry but you already seem to have a pre-concieved notion that Emery’s villareal are not a good side.It is probably because it will go against your agenda that Emery is a poor manager.That is why You’re now saying them being 3 points off top 4 says more about the lack of quality of other teams.Yet,You still didn’t understand my point.If villareal achieve a top 4 place,it will be an over-achievement.They have never had the squad to finish inside of the top 4,Hence they should not be expected to.If they have qualified for the CL,By hook or crook it is an overacheivement.They also qualified from the group stages and from what I’ve seen and read recently they have been smashing teams left,right and centre in the La liga of late.My basic point is Emery has done a more than decent job at the club,and the fact he’s won them their first piece of silverware ever proves he’s actually doing a great job there.

    Now I’ve mentioned Villareal,Because Arsenal are kind of in the same boat.Yes,we might have much much more financial capability but the fact is we’ve never had a squad atleast in the past 5-6 years to make top 4.So why should Emery,Arteta or A wenger be held responsibly for not over-acheieving?

    We’ve never had a squad solely because of the decision making at the very top.The recruitment.The Contract management of the players.Just everything over there has been awful.It’s not because we’ve not had a good enough manager.

    #2037985

    stev2bath1
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    Its just madness and shows a total lack of understanding of the game and the club. Just keep changing the point and then still making mad statements. Now you think Emery should not have been sacked I am sure even you at the end said he had to go ? Its not you Everybody else is wrong???? That is Madness fella lets move on there is no helping you!

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