Man United Away Sun Oct 20 KO 4.30pm

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  • #1792511

    pinezes69
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    U R right!!

    #1792513

    redsforever
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    When keita and lalana played we finally had composure in midfield. H3nderson shouldve been off earlier as we needed someone with composure and technique on the ball

    #1792514

    Mikus
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    If today didn’t prove we have a problem in midfield, I don’t know what will, particularly when we lose one of our front 3. Klopp pretty much had to change the entire midfield today.

    #1792517

    Songman
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    Adam Lallana!!!!!!!!

    I’ll take that point all day long, as you can’t win them all, and we clearly on the way to a defeat.

    The whole team was a bit lacklustre today, totally disagree that there is a problem with our midfield – what are Keita, Ox and Milner there for then, if not to change games?

    I am surprised both Hendreson and Wijnaldum both started as they were exhausted from 2 full international games, yet Milner was fresh.

    On to the next game, where we need to restart our winning spirit with 3 points

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    Razor
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    Always knew how they were going to set up. They bought the ref for the goal like they always do but it was tactically poor. If anyone is to blame it’s Klopp. Just like the Salzburg game we didn’t respond immediately with a change in formation. Guardiola would not have let that shit play out. Can anyone blame the front 3 after they were allowed to go man to man with ALL our attackers including the full-backs? Against these shitters and it was a point earned and not 2 dropped, bloody disgrace. Henderson on the right or even in the centre was a fucking joke and should have come off after 1/2 hour. Where’s the fucking captain when you need him? Top 3 in Europe my arse. We literally played well for 5 minutes. Fabinho as well went missing when they were starting to rough us up. His only saving grace was giving that cunt James one in the face. Only Gini looked like he was really trying in that midfield 3. We may have missed Salah but even more we missed Shaqiri in the #10.

    Dealt with their counterattacks well enough but Matip really should have done better for the goal. Credit to Lallana for scoring. Ox did his best. Best player by far was Naby and he only had 10 minutes. Looked lively and his reverse pass set up the space for Robertson to get the cross for the assist. Only started playing after he came on. Really promising from him and he looked like the midfield metronome we’ve been missing.

    And again, FUCK ATKINSON!!!

    #1792526

    pinezes69
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    Mikus Klopp has been stuck with Hendo and Gini who can not play together….

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    Razor
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    Also credit to Rob for guessing the 1-1.. Kudos to you if you had money on that..

    #1792534

    Mikus
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    Agree with much of that Razor. When our team high presses a team, Henderson can be a useful player, but in a game like today he offers absolutely nothing. Fabinho is a good player, but I just don’t think he’s *that* good. And he gets passed so easily at times. We’re crying out for a player like Kante – I just hope Keita can step up this season. He really could take us up a notch. I just hope Klopp has learnt a lot from that today. Whenever we lose one of our front 3, it’s not enough to just throw in Origi – he also has to make an adjustment in midfield.

    #1792563

    redsforever
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    Can hendo just be a squad player

    #1792570

    Songman
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    Liverpool and Juve are the only big teams in Europe who are still unbeaten, but they are only one point ahead. No team can win every game, even City lost 4 in the league last season.

    And I don’t know why no one noticed how under par most of the whole team was today – Origi was non-existent, while Matip could have done better for the goal. Salah was definitely sorely missed.

    As for our midfield, I was happy to see our forgotten players, Ox, Lallana and Keita make a big impact, with the later two delivering our goal. Add Milner into the mix, and we now have 7 fit midfielders competing for 3 places – that should hopefully lead to even higher standards and more wins

    #1792578
    Razor
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    Songman.. Trust me, everyone noticed.. If Sean is blowing his lid during a game you know we’re playing shit.. Unbeaten or not this game means the most in the entire fixture list and the players AND the manager didn’t turn up. That’s the most disappointing thing for myself and I’d say for others as well. Not to mention the dodgy refereeing that absolutely no Liverpool fan would have been surprised about.

    Mikus you’re absolutely right but then again everyone could use a Kante. If Keita can keep that up we will finally start seeing our returns on that 50mil or w/e it was. On a different note, given the way things have panned out I think we do need a new signing to give us more quality in a 4-2-3-1. It looks like something we’re going to be relying on a lot more as the season progresses. Shaqiri as a back up has been unreliable with his injury record. You’re right Origi is more of an impact player rather than a replacement. We sure as hell could’ve used a Minamino or a Hwang. Can’t see us shattering our wage structure for Eriksen but he’s someone who can play in midfield, in a forward 3 and at #10. Still stand by what I said about Son however unlikely it may be.

    #1792579
    mwake
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    Klopp messsed up, the players seemed to try their best but Klopp wont mes with the midfield trio until it seeemilny seems to late, what is with that?

    Yes Henderson, Gini and Fabinho have a really good telepathy and when the tactics are right (which they werent today) and the other units of the team are playing welll play welll then the midfield trio doesnt matter but today…the midfield trio were deviod of any creative outlet, any time they tried to be creative they got snuffed out with sloppy play. know some will say this is the same midfield that beat Barcelona blah blah blah…but we not playing Barcelona every week.

    Dont get me wrong its not just the midfield, forwards were lack luster too which probaly became a trickle down effect…but what today proved was that our default midfield is great at pressing but when they have to help out creatively their answer is to simply look for the front three.

    See how we were a lot better creatively when Ox, Lallana and Keiat came on… Its time for Klopp to start blooding those guys more often to give the the chance instead of turning to likes of Ox, Lallana and Keita only when we are desperate.

    #1792580

    redsforever
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    Mwake agree..im hoping klopp will play keita or oxlade more in place of henderson in the nxt few games.

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    Razor
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    There’s no point being this negative towards Henderson, myself included. Yes, he was awful and I’d go as far as to say he’s been our worst regular this season (stats back this sentiment up btw) but in this game, Klopp was the main culprit for the result. However, we’re still top of the table with a 6 point lead, unbeaten and he’s been one of the cogs in this machine. If we can win the next few games, especially the City game, we’ll be at least 9 points clear.

    Klopp has shown he’s not afraid to drop the captain for a better option and I’m sure he’ll do it again if Henderson doesn’t pull up his socks. It’s solely his decision. I still believe Henderson deserves his starting spot but mostly because Ox and Keita haven’t stepped up a gear consistently yet. Plus, it looks like Klopp doesn’t trust Milner’s legs to last the full 90 on a regular basis.

    For the record, I don’t care if this midfield played against the best 11 in the world and won. The only thing that matters is that they keep doing it every week, especially since they’ve shown they can mix with the best. Otherwise there’s no point in bringing it up.

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    Songman
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    Razor, it was clear the whole team was not up to par yesterday, but there is no way you can win every game. And you could even say that it was the superb Matip who was somewhat to blame for their goal by not blocking the cross.

    What about City, they have already lost 2 games to teams that are inferior to United, who incidentally always raise their game to new heights, when playing their greatest rivals Liverpool.

    In fact considering the way United set up to defend, plus the wrong referee decision for their goal, I would consider that a good point earned by us, and our subs were excellent in rescuing the game, that we were on the way to losing.

    My main gripe is that Klopp did not start with Milner (and possibly Keita or Ox), who was completely fresh, unlike Henderson and Wijnaldum, who had played 2 full international games.

    Time to move on and focus on getting the 3 points on Sunday

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    Sean the sailor
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    Songman it’s a very good point considering how bad we were.

    I’ve no problem dropping points but this performance was so so predictable. Why do we play so poorly at old tarford? Are the players intimated?

    Fabhino and firmino touch was terrible. We look frightened ffs. We are the European champions. Play will balls. Don’t hide

    Just happy we got a point. Still top and we move on.

    #1792612

    Songman
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    Mwake, agreed that Ox, Lallana and Keita especially offer more creativity than our regular midfield. And I would definitely like to see them played much more regularly where relevant.

    But you forget one thing, Keita and Lallana, are both injured consistently, thus ruling them out for several games, and just when they’re building up a rhythm and playing regularly, they get injured again. Same goes for Shaqiri. Hence why Klopp persists with his regular midfield, and who can blame him either, as they are a key component in getting us excellent results so far.

    As for Ox, he is still not back to his best after a very serious injury, and he said recently that it may take 2 years to overcome this knee injury. Having said that I think yesterday was his best game for us this season, and was pleased to see his numerous shots from distance.

    For me, I thus see Wednesday as a relatively low-risk game to freshen up our midfield, and give our exhausted regulars a break, as our opponents are supposedly the weakest in our CL group. I would rest both Henderson and Wijnaldum, and start with Milner and Keita instead – let’s see what happens

    #1792616

    Songman
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    Sean, I just think it was one of those days when we were not at our best, with far too many misplaced passes for my liking, from several of our players.

    Also as you rightly say, we just can’t seem to play well recently at Old Trafford, seems to be the hardest away ground for us.

    But time to reset, and focus on getting 3 points on Sunday

    #1792617

    pinezes69
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    We have Keita, Milner and Ox and Klopp uses Hendo and Gini together!!

    #1792645

    SirRoger
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    I see most of the usual suspects are out in force laying the blame primarily at one player. You would think given some of the responses on here that we were the one’s 15 points behind an unbeaten table topping Man U. Just to remind you, boys, it’s the reverse that’s true. All outfield players were pretty poor yesterday. Given that, we still had more possession, more shots and more on target. A little perspective, please.

    Like most on here, though, I think Klopp needs to be far more pro-active in games like this. He knew an hour before kick-off what the Utd formation and tactics were likely to be and should have planned accordingly. He should have given it no more than 10 minutes before switching. We could easily have matched their formation by switching to three at the back – Fabinho could easily have dropped in between Matip and Van D, pushing TAA and AR into a 5 with either Firmino or Mane. Or he could have gone 4-2-3-1 or 4-4-2 just to give Utd something to think about and disrupt their game plan. As it was, he left it far too late and played into Utd’s hands making it easy for them.

    Yes, it was good to see the 3 subs have some impact but to suggest that they would have made a difference from the start given their state of fitness is ridiculous.

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