Manger appointment

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    andy528
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    Having been on holiday for 2 weeks, I thought maybe by the time I came back, we might be a bit closer to knowing who the new boss might be.
    Oddly enough, I landed back in Heathrow at about 11 this morning for my connecting flight home and one of the first people I saw was Ivan Gazidis. I did tweet a photo of him earlier as he was heading for the BA departure lounge.
    Got me wondering where he was off to.

    Seems like every day there has been a different favourite for the role. Today, word out of Italy would suggest that it looks quite likely Allegri will stay put and Arteta has come in as favourite with the bookies.
    You can see from social media alone that its an idea that splits the fan base. I can understand people not wanting him given some of the names we have been linked with. However, I can also see it being the kind of appointment the club would make. He was a popular figure with many when he played for the club – certainly off the field. I always liked him. I think he was badly used but at his peak, he was a very good player and a superb pro. He spoke so well about the game and his love for this club was very evident when he left. Pep couldn’t wait to get him to City and the Spuds wanted him as well. He is clearly an impressive character to those in the game.

    Given the fact that we now have Sven and Raul taking care of other important off field issues, the idea of us bringing in a coach rather than a manager seems even more likely. Targeting a young coach is something the owner likes after seeing some success with the LA Rams taking the same approach. Lots of things seem to point to Arteta being a very serious candidate. Wonder how people on here feel about it?

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    Al The Gooner
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    Andy – did you notice whether he was heading for domestic or international? ie whether he was flying to Manchester or Italy?

    Arteta would be extremely underwhelming but as everyone keeps saying, so was Wenger when he signed and, for that reason, whoever we sign, I’ll give them until the season is underway before even thinking about making a judgement. Even Pep had limited managerial experience, before being given arguably the biggest job in football and look what happened there.

    Ultimately, I’m fed up with being angry and I’m not going to get angry about the managerial appointment until there’s something to be angry about. Right now I’m just excited about going again next season and being there for the start of a new era.

    I did read yesterday that one of the fan action groups will start the protests up again if we do get Arteta but that would be really dumb. Whether he turns out to be the next Pep, or the next Moyes, getting on his back from the start won’t help anyone.

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    muffler_1
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    Arteta would be underwhelming and how that would be recieved by the players remains as an issue. Because playing with someone is one thing but being managed by someone you played is not an easy adjustment.

    I will say regardless we should all stand behind the new manager and give him a chance how underwhelming it may be. Because regardless of who it is he will have enough by following after Wenger. If then from the beginning have many fans on his back from day one then we might end up in the Moyes situation that United had and who wants that not me.

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    andy528
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    Morning Al. Not sure where he was heading. I was walking to the bar and he took the stairs up to the BA departure lounges near the same gates I was leaving from. My flight left from a gate next to a flight to Rome and he certainly wasn’t in that group when it boarded.

    I don’t really have a problem with the idea of Arteta being appointed because I’m starting to feel more confident about the management structure being implemented by the club. It feels like the next man in will be able to focus entirely on tactics and player development as their primary focus. There are some huge changes taking place across the entire club and I’m choosing to look at it all from a positive POV. Its been a while since we have been able to do that!

    Agree entirely about those talking about protests. Its an idiotic mentality. How long did it take people to turn on Wenger? About 7 years too long in the end and yet they would be against Arteta before he even sat in the dug out!

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    Gunjam74
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    Nagelsmann—Thats who I would love to see at the club. OK his Hoffenheim team was blown away by Liverpool in Champs League and I know there is all the arguemenets that can be made about the Bundesliga being a One Team Pony. However, taken Bayern out the equation. To take Hoffenheim over when they are in relegation trouble when you are 28 years old and then the following two seasons to take them to 4th and 3rd spot in the Standings with the small budget they have is no mean feat. Downside though I suppose is they have about as good an away record as what we have.

    As for Arteta. Having watched him as a young lad with Rangers then his move down south and eventually his time with us you can see he understands the tactical aspects of the game. He had tremendous respect for whoever his manager was and I am led to believe from a few of the lads we have had train down with City that he is well liked and respected by all at City. If his remit is going to be just the playing side and identifying what we need to do to progress on the pitch then it might be an astute appointment. Whoever gets the job lads we just have to give them time. Remember it could be worse, we could have had one more year of Wenger or we could have ended up with Allardyce.

    #1636721
    Al The Gooner
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    Andy, that’s what’s giving me encouragement too mate – the fact that the new manager will have little to do but coach the players and however good Arteta does or doesn’t turn out to be, whether it’s with us or anyone else, he’s been learning from the best in the business.

    Just read that Lewin has been sacked but the interesting thing was that the article said it was just the latest in part of a big clear-out they’ve been having. Aside from Vic Ackers retiring, I wasn’t aware that anyone else had gone from the backroom staff but again, aside from Vic, Bouldie is probably the only other name I’d know anyway (and there’s rumours that he’s on his way too).

    Either way, people keep comparing our situation to when Fergie left Man U and the two situations are a million miles apart. Fergie won a title in his last season, with a squad that probably only he could have done that with – the next manager was always going to have a massive rebuilding job on his hands. I think we have a much, much better squad than Moyes inherited at Utd and really, all the next guy has to do, in his first season, is improve on 6th.

    We don’t really need to bring in anyone, in any of the attacking positions and I’m really looking forward to seeing what Laca, Auba and Mikki do in their 2nd season. As for our defensive players, with or without new players, there are probably managers in the 2nd divison who could instantly improve them, with just a bit of work on the training pitch.

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    Jeff
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    We are supposedly a big club, one of the richest in the world that was Europe’s best in 2004 and have now slipped so badly that if we get back into the top four in the next two years that will be seen as a major achievement. I absolutely deplore the idea of Arteta learning on the job with AFC. I really am not concerned that we have a director of football and a recruitment guy in place. Why the hell are we going for someone who has been a number 2 for only two seasons and has never actually managed at any level, let alone a Premiership one or a club in a major European League? So Arteta has no experience on determining which players should be part of a squad or which should be dispensed with. He has never selected a team, decided its playing formation, its tactics, when to switch roles, formations or indeed when to make substitutions. He’s never had to deal with angry, unmotivated, uncommitted players or ones who need an arm on their shoulder- great pedigree to manage us then. So he’s Gazidis’s favourite, that’s it then, he’ll recommend him to the Board. Am sure our esteemed chief executive has “leaked” stories of first Enrique and then Allegri ” demanding” £200m to buy players. I would prefer Jardim or Nagelsmann to be our manager, certainly not an ex-player who displayed zilch leadership whilst at the club and who used the players’ fines kitty to buy Gazidis an expensive watch on leaving!

    #1636733
    Al The Gooner
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    Gunjam, seen similar comments about Arteta’s popularity and the respect he had from his fellow players when he played for us too and if we were to get an untried manager, you could at least say that we couldn’t do much better than someone who’s been watching and learning from Pep for the last two seasons.

    I also like the idea of Nagelsmann. The Bundesliga is probably the closest, in style of play, to the PL and to finish 4th and then 3rd, with a team that is probably closer to a Southampton or Burnley, than it is to an Arsenal, suggests he is going to be a very good manager.

    End of the day, if Allegri turns us down and Enrique has priced himself out, there ain’t many options left in the big name, experienced manager pool.

    #1636765
    Gunjam74
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    Al..too true…all too true..not many inspiring managers around…or at least inspire confidence for me…

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    steveosnakeeye
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    if Allegri wants to come and we dont get him because of funds then i will be royally pissed off personally…. enrique can do one
    arteta…just no id prefer Joachim lowe over him

    at least he will sort the defense

    #1636823
    the specialone
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    TBH,from what I read here and other media platoforms this club has ruined the mentality of the fans to the extent that they’re ok with just about anything the club feeds them.

    One of the worst saying I usually listen to is “Give so and so a chance”.what nonsense,why should we give an unestablished manager a chance at apparently a “top club”.Don’t get me wrong,i love arteta,hell I’d take him as no 2 anyday of the week.But people so easily forget that this guy left Arsenal and wenger to move to city to work under guardiola.Now,this pathetic board can’t appoint an established manager so they are willing to make a person who’s never managed a football game as our manager.Great thinking there.

    Fans repeatedly keep saying we need to give a chance.so what tomm if this club signs an “amateur player”(literally) should he be given a chance as well.Times have changed.this is not the 90’s,there’s no room to give a chance to youngsters,there’s no room to get a wildcard manager,this is modern football.You need to make the right managerial appointment and spend to win trophies.I don’t for one second believe we have only 50m to offer,we are capable of way way more.

    The manager appointment will be the most important decision this club will have to make.Allegri,enrique,simieone,sarri.Sign any of these established managers.Or even Unai emery who’s admitted he’s open to offers from Arsenal.But unestablished managers like Arteta,viera,henry an absolute joke.

    #1636824
    the specialone
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    It’s a bit pathetic really,instead of going for managers like Guardiola,Klopp we are going for their assistants.How can we be considered a top club,hell we are on the level of everton.

    I’ve lost all hope for this club,and it’s always been because of the board who’s not made the right decision many a time.

    #1636904

    steve68
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    while i’m a 100% against the likes of arteta being our new manager,
    but i would back and give that manager a chance for a couple of
    seasons.if we do get arteta though it would show a lack of amition
    on two fronts for me.no1.it would prove that he’s got next to
    nothing to spend.no2.i cannot see him attracting top players and i
    do liken that to moyes not attracting the likes of cesc at utd.

    i said a while back that it could take 2/3 managers to get this club
    back where it belongs and unless there’s huge investment in the
    playing staff,then we are looking for the same miracles we had in
    winning top trophies like graham and wenger did.

    our home form was pretty good,but our away form was dreadful.whoever
    was manager must be looking for at least another 6/7 away wins just to
    have any chance in competing for a top 4 place.i do have concerns about
    the structure of our club too because if reports are true that allegri
    and enrique have huge concerns of the afc set up tells me we are still
    way off competing on many fronts.

    it’s the same old,same old for me though.we try and make players and we
    try and make managers instead of getting the ready made product.i will
    swallow my selfish pride and give any manager a chance,but if it is
    arteta then it’s non ambition for me.he’s going to need some luck by
    the bucket’s full.

    #1636946

    muffler_1
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    @tso i would agree to your post except for Enrique what has he done besides the self playing piano Barca he has flopped everywhere else. My first choice is Allegri but besides him there are not that many established managers that are even close to being availble. We all speak about big names but actually it takes two to get a deal over the line. Not really something we are famous for.

    Pep had only managed Barca B one season before taking over Barca. So its not all about experience.

    #1636997
    Al The Gooner
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    Steve, sorry mate but I don’t get the thinking behind it taking 2-3 managers – it makes no sense. The only thing that will matter is when the right manager/coach is appointed – might be first time round or might be at the 10th attempt.

    I’d understand if you thought it might take 2 or 3 years – or even longer – but to me, that would suggest that the problem wasn’t so much Wenger as the squad he left the new manager with. While he was obviously responsible for recruitment, fact is that if he managed 6th with a squad is as poor as some are making out, then surely Wenger wasn’t so bad?

    I see it completely the opposite. I think we have a very good squad. Certainly we could do with some strengthening in defence but if we strike lucky and get the right man in first time, then we could take a massive step forward simply with a manager who understands defending, tactics and that every now and then, you have to stop being the players’ friend and be their boss.

    I think we have to forget the title for the next couple of years or so anyway. City look so good and Pep will no doubt spend another couple of hundred million this summer, so I can see them blowing everyone else out the water for a while to come, but it won’t take much to have us back amongst the others.

    We outscored everyone bar ‘Pool and City this season (and that’s with three new attacking players who will only improve next season) but you only need to add up the number of points we dropped due to individual errors to see how much further up the table we could be even before new players are brought in.

    Anyway, I’ll reiterate that it’s the beginning of a new era and an exciting time for us Gooners – lets just enjoy it for now.

    #1637048

    momo
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    I think the profile for a new manager will be based on one single aspect and that is someone who can run the club to a relative level on a limited budget. It’s obvious the likes of the allegri’s of the world will demand large sums of money to rebuild the squad close to where he wants it and the club is unwilling to entertain that idea unless we decline to such a extent that the clubs starts making a loss. So the likes of our ex players arteta and co are front runners makes me think that the club is happy to stay in the shadows and carry on making a buck or two. It’s also true there’s not a massive pool of managers available but the board owe us fans a big name signing for sticking up with the team in recent years.

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    the specialone
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    This idea of 2-3 managers to get us back to the top couldn’t be more false.Infact,it’s becoming a bit pathetic that our own fans are trying to make excuses for us not getting back to the top.Our ultimate aim should be to win the PL/CL.no one is saying that we need to do it next year itself.Even though it’s “possible”,it’s unrealistic to expect it.However,why would it take 2-3 appointments.It would simply take the right managerial appointment.If someone like conte can come in and lead a mid-table finished chelsea to the title,then anything is possible.It’s about your desire,ambition,expectations.

    Need i remind you our departing manager has been underachieving for many years.Even our performances have become poorer over the seasons.So it’s not really that it would take a genius of a manager to make us progress.We’re sixth,with our squad/financial capabilities we should get a minimum top four finish next season.That would be progress for once.It would not be a great achievement but it would steady a sinking ship.

    I have to admit,i’m personally against hiring someone with less experience,but it would take balls to hire someone who’s never managed a football game in his life knowing that fans would question the appointment throughout the season.My final say on Arteta is I like the person,he’s got a good education and been groomed by guardiola but to appoint someone with no managerial experience is too much of a risk.

    Saying that,whoever comes in I hope the first thing he does is improve the mentality,expectaion and ambition of the whole team.There is a lack of passion and desire I’ve seen for too long now,As a fan trophies are secondary to me but I want to be proud of my team which I haven’t since a while.

    #1637111
    Al The Gooner
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    Good article here about Arsenal’s history with appointing managers and pointing out how, apart from Chapman and, to a lesser extent Neill, we just don’t sign high profile ones.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/05/15/mikel-artetas-appointment-might-disappoint-arsenal-fans-should/

    We can stamp our feet and bang our fists all we want but it won’t change who Kroenke finally says “yes” to, so lets just unite behind whoever the board appoint – they’ll stand far more chance of getting off to a good start if we do, which I’m sure is what we all want.

    #1637121
    steveosnakeeye
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    i agree with what you say Al, but this is 2018 and the game has moved on so much, the luck we would need to stick to that model is far more than an established manager IMHO and frankly if the board go down this route it once again shows their total disdain for the match going fans that pay the highest prices in the UK, i will support any manager that comes in, doesnt mean i will like the appointment, and if its arteta i will be totally pissed off, there ARE decent options out there such as Allegri and if we REALLY wanted to show intent to improve as a club and challenge for top honours we would do all in our power to get a manager of that stature

    #1637123
    steveosnakeeye
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    that said i would obviously be happy to have egg on my face and be proved wrong but this just shows the systemic poor choices our board make and their total departure form the fans who made this club worth buying in the first place

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