Manger appointment

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    Al The Gooner
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    Steve, I think we’re playing a bit fast and loose with the word ‘success’ here mate. It’s nice to win a domestic cup and I love the fact that we can boast a record number of FA wins (let’s face it, we don’t have much else to shout about) but I couldn’t give a toss if we don’t get to another domestic final for years, as long as we progress each season.

    Impossible to say for sure, but I doubt even another cup win would have saved Wenger’s job this season. However, as you say yourself, if we were at least up there with Man U, his job wouldn’t even have been in question – at least not to the board.

    As for Allegri, we did go for him mate but even the board can’t be blamed if he doesn’t want to come. Sure, you could argue it’s their fault for hanging onto Wenger for so long but they can’t turn the clock back and now they have to go for the best candidate that’s available.

    But sorry mate, I just don’t get why you and others are getting so worked up, when there’s nothing to get worked up about yet. If the board appoint Arteta, you giving yourself a heart condition (if supporting our team hasn’t done that yet) ain’t gonna change a thing.

    Aren’t you fed up with being angry? Aren’t you excited that, whoever we appoint, this will be the first season in about 10 years that we can’t reasonably predict the outcome of?

    At least wait and see who they appoint and then how that guy performs. If he makes no progress, if players don’t want to play for him, if it’s just the same old, same old – that’s the time to get angry again.

    Honestly Steve, opposition fans have been taking the piss out of us for years for being a bunch of whingers. I always felt we had good reason to whinge while Wenger was clinging on but if you’ve been reading this forum since we finally got our wish, you can’t help thinking they might have a point.

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    Jeff
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    Al- you seem to think that some journos like Wilson, Cross and Olley have done this off their own back?! OK, club-paid hacks was a bit strong, but since the ex Barclays PR man, Mark Gonnella was appointed a few years ago with a direct remit to get some papers to only post good things about the club and Wenger in general, the change in these rags was noticeable. One example was Cross, who, after the aggregate 10-2 defeat to Bayern, penned two articles in successive days slamming Sanchez for the amount of running he did. As if he was the chief reason we lost. If you think the club has no influence on certain journalists, that’s your prerogative. Finally, this is a site for people to voice their opinion and if it differs from yours, it’s a bit pointless to keep panning them for being”angry and miserable” as you seem to have done recently. That is getting very tedious, no-one will storm the ramparts, go on long marches or stay away in droves if we appoint someone whom the Board want. Just because you’re “happy” that Wenger has gone, that doesn’t mean everyone else who doesn’t want him is going to have a heart attack if we end up with Arteta as you suggested in one post back – understand?

    #1638380

    T_Adams
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    A story broke out across the papers a while back saying that the players didn’t like Arteta and were totally against his appointment as he was arrogant. Not sure if this is true but if it is the I can’t see Arteta being able to motivate them.

    There are many fans against Arteta’s appointment and I would definitely prefer someone with experience. As Fatmop said, he wasn’t a strong captain and as Al pointed out, Wenger has left a low bar. If someone can motivate our players or the sell the ones he can’t, drill the defense and not play players out of position then we will see a HUGE improvement. If he can get the best out of players too then I can’t see top four being a problem and we can build from there.

    I’ll be honest, when Wenger was here, I would have taken anyone over him.

    #1638381

    Jeff
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    That last post to Steve was another example of you playing the high and mighty one again. Yes, Wenger has gone, but what this Board has done is remove one dinosaur and take the piss by appointing, if it happens, a manager who has never managed. That’s the level we have sunk to. Stop telling people they are whingers, just because it goes against the idea of Arteta arriving. Yes, we aren’t going to change a thing- many thanks for that insight. There is no point in this site as Al has decreed everyone to be “happy”.

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    andy528
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    T_Adams – With regards to the motivation question – anyone who doesn’t want to play for him or this club can quite simply sod off. The majority of them were barely playing for Wenger and he was a club legend. Quite frankly a lot of them are not fit to wear the shirt and if Arteta came in and shipped a load of them out, he would have my full support.

    If you read his comments about the kind of manager he seems himself being, I think its quite impressive. This was his quote from 2016; ‘My philosophy will be clear. I will have everyone 120 per cent committed, that’s the first thing. If not, you don’t play for me. When it’s time to work it’s time to work, and when it’s time to have fun then I’m the first one to do it, but that commitment is vital’. Just my opinion but I love that attitude.

    His potential appointment was being discussed on the radio this afternoon and although I don’t know how credible Tony Cascarino is in the grand scheme of things, he clearly talks to more knowledgeable football people than I do. He actually predicted Arteta being our next manager in December. He said that he speaks to so many people who have a very high opinion of Mikel and that he is considered the ‘next big thing’ as far as coaching potential is concerned.

    I don’t deny for one second that it’s a risk but its a risk whoever we bring in. I’m excited about it but appreciate others won’t be. I just don’t see the point in people having the knives out already. I have heard enough from people who know more about him that I do, to suggest he has something to offer.

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    steve68
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    Al.what makes you think i’m angry?i’ve given that up a long time
    ago.what is there to get excited about?what am i missing here?so
    if it’s arteta i should be happy that we have a “rookie” manager
    who hasn’t managed before and he get’s a top job like ours straight
    away.why?he’s a coach with guardiola and everyone seems to think he’s
    jesus christ all of a sudden.

    sorry,mate,but it’s not very ambitious is it?you said we did go for
    allegri but you don’t blame the board for it.doesn’t that answer
    your own question as to how things are going.if it’s true that he
    didn’t want to come because he doesn’t like the structure of the
    club and that he would demand 200+m for transfers also tells you
    that the club DID NOT MATCH HIS AMBITION.so what is exactly going
    to change.nothing,nothing much.

    all the arteta appointment will prove is he’s a yes man to the board
    and he’s an easy option.i would rather us go for henry if that was
    the case because top players will want to play for henry.i honestly
    can’t see this being the case with arteta.the football might be nice
    and pretty to watch but we want to compete for titles.it’s funny how
    we can excuse the board for not getting allegri but have hammered the
    club many times for penny pinching when it comes to missing out on
    top players.suarez immediately springs to mind.what’s the difference in
    the two because they’re both the same in princible.

    at the start of every season the prem lge,fa cup,lge cup and the eur
    trophies are on offer for the top clubs.i would rather us win a trophy
    every season that finish in the top 4 and not compete in the champs lge
    season in season out.the fa cup is a fantastic trophy to win and i’m
    sure you celebrated rambo’s winner last year as much as the next fan.
    it’s the best day out especially when you win.surely we can’t go saying
    that the fa cup don’t mean anything when you have said that no club
    has a divine right to win any trophy.on a personal note i’m glad your
    back at the emirates next season and i honestly hope you’re proven right
    and i’m wrong.61% of afc do not want arteta according to the sun poll.

    #1638709

    romford_pele
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    Funny how Wenger backs Arteta… and he is front runner. Maybe it is all a rouse. Steve, I’d take Henry over Arteta but then Henry pointed out all the fundamental flaws and got Wengers goat up….

    #1638763
    AndyC
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    I’m going to make a slight redirection on Arteta, mainly because someone above eluded to clearing the dead wood and also his philosophy he sees himself having as a manager. I read this same article I also read Tony Cascarino’s bit on sky. And so then decided to read more from articles a couple years old.
    I will be far from happy at his appointment but I’m willing to wait and see what he does before judging him.
    We have this whole new set up with the Dortmund guy now I charge of recruitment and the ex barce guy in charge of contracts and negotiations, a very influential figure.
    Really all Arteta is going to have to do is coach, what he is currently doing at city! It’s been highlighted recently how he was responsible for sterling and sane upturn in form this season and let’s face it sterling was crap before season just gone for city. So he did something right there. Same has been brilliant all season as well. These stories are being released very timely so I I’m still very sceptical but I will give him until October to see what ‘change’ he can really bring is.
    I’d love to see him clear some of the players and let’s face it, based off his vision I think he’ll have 3 or 4 wanting out. My worry is he still won’t be strong enough after the initial cull and when Bellerin and co start slipping he won’t have the prescence that a seasoned winner would have.
    I’d still rather have Brendan Rogers than Arteta but I’m reluctantly willing to give him a few months before any kind of AOB status goes up.
    This whole 50 million thing I think is nonsense that said I think manislat n co will sign some players and then tell Arteta he has 50-70 mil so realistically we will spend more but Arteta won’t have all of it.
    The 3 mentioned players link and we look set to sign sokritis, urcan and Leno are not bad at all. I was on here 3 or 4 years ago raving about Leno, he is going to be one of the best in the world. shame we ain’t trying to take Julian Tah as well.
    Anyway Arteta isn’t the right choice but looks like we are getting it anyway so I’m just moving on with that now. If we end up finishing 6th again or worse then at least I won’t be as deflated as I have been last few years as I don’t expect anything else now. If we finish in top 4 then then fortune truly has favoured the brave!

    #1639034
    Al The Gooner
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    Steve, of course it’s always hard to tell over the internet and maybe ‘angry’ wasn’t the right word, so my apologies but people are definitely getting worked up over an appointment that hasn’t even been made yet and could, for all we know, be a very good one.

    We’ve been moaning for years about Wenger but, since he left and even before Arteta’s name came up, the moaning’s barely let up. It’s like it’s our default mode and we have no idea how to do anything else.

    And you’re right, it doesn’t seem very ambitious, if it is Arteta but again, the board also went for Enrique and Allegri, that we know of. We know that both got to the interview stage and, by all accounts, Allegri decided another season at Juve was preferable, while Enrique wanted silly money. No idea if it was true but I also read that Tuchel was sounded out and was interested, but wouldn’t wait as he didn’t want to risk losing the PSG job.

    Maybe they were the only managers we went for – who knows? – but for all we know, Arteta might be one of the few options left unless we want someone like Sam Allardyce.

    What really interests me is the case for Henry. It’s not just Ray above – a lot of Gooners would love to see Henry as manager, which leads me to think that the issue with Arteta is only partially down to his lack of managerial experience (which is considerably more than Henry’s, to be fair). I think a lot of people are rejecting Arteta as much because they didn’t like him as a player, as for any other reason.

    Same goes for Vieira – also a more popular choice – but no one knows if he’s a better option that Arteta. I think helping coach a record-breaking title-winning side in the PL easily equates to managing a ‘soccer’ team in the US.

    As many people have pointed out, no one would have pegged either Graham or Wenger to be successful managers, based on their playing careers. At the same time, Big Tone looked like he had all the qualities and look what happened there.

    Ultimately, we don’t know who is going to be appointed and we don’t know if they’ll be successful or not so it just seems pointless to me to moan about things that haven’t even happened yet. It won’t stop the board appointing whoever they appoint and even if it is Arteta, he could be absolutely brilliant, for all we know or, at the very least, good enough to get us up there and mixing it with the rest again.

    One of my biggest gripes under Wenger was that for the last decade or so, we’ve been able to predict almost exactly how the following season would pan out so until the new season is well underway and we know where we stand, I’m only feeling positive.

    Jeff, don’t worry mate – you’re always happiest when you’re moaning anyway so, with you, my work is already done 🙂

    #1639052
    Al The Gooner
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    Looking very much like Arteta will be appointed today.

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    andy528
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    Morning Al

    You have hit the nail square on the head there regarding Mikel. Its an ‘unpopular’ choice with many because they didn’t like or rate him as a player and they can’t separate the 2. For the record, I’m not saying that is the case with Steve – he has always been one of the more rational and sensible posters on here.
    There are of course people who have genuine concerns about it and I totally understand that, but the level of vitriol being aimed at a man who hasn’t yet accepted the role is staggering.

    I think we do need to re-asses what our expectations as a club might be – certainly for the next season or 2. If the rumours are to be believed about Enrique’s demands for taking the role, then you could be forgiven for thinking he was trying to deliberately price himself out of it? Was it tempting enough for him to take on a side without CL football and no blank cheque book? I’m not so sure. Allegri as well, would be giving up a lot to come here. Perhaps he heard something he didn’t like and felt he was better off waiting for something else.

    There has also been a lot of talk about this ’50 million budget’ that seems to be causing a lot of concern in the fan base. Myself included initially! However, its worth reading this article;

    Arsenal’s “£50m budget” explained

    Puts the spending issue into a lot more context. Could be more to play with than people realise

    #1639151

    Jeff
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    Al- “getting worked up over an appointment that hasn’t been made yet”. Who’s getting worked up? What is the point of this site- to all say the same things as you? Most people excluding you, of course, have very serious concerns about appointing a man who’s been a coach for two seasons as a manager. He’s never managed before- full stop. I really could not care less about Arteta’s record as a player with us, he was past his best when he came here and was asked to do a new job by Wenger, which he was pretty average in. He displayed zero levels of leadership as well whilst at the club. That is not the issue. We should not have a man learning on the job given the dire straits we have been in under Wenger. All this talk about others taking the load of Arteta is also not the issue. How does someone who has been a coach immediately make the step up to be number one at a major organisation such as AFC? How will he attract top- notch players? How will he completely revamp the complacent, couldn’t care less and spineless mentality that pervades the whole club, which he incidentally, was part of for so long? How does he he get the right players, the right team for different occasions, the right tactics and formations? How does he adapt when things go wrong in a match? Will he get the substitutions right when he’s never managed a game before? What did he do when Guardiola got sent to the stands against Liverpool- stood there looking lost. We should not be taking a chance with someone who has never done any of the above previously. The Club is taking the mickey be appointing Arteta and you being content as opposed to being concerned at this course of action speaks volumes. You don’t know me, so don’t presume to speak for me. I want this club to improve from where it now lies. Yes, of course that could happen with Arteta, but the chances of that are not high. Now, many of us would be really “happy” if you stopped preaching to us and stating the obvious such as “it won’t stop the board appointing whoever they appoint”. Fantastic insight.This is a forum to debate, argue, and state different points of view. Just because you’ve overdosed on a course of happy pills immediately Wenger’s departure was announced, that doesn’t mean we all have to take them.

    #1639159
    The Oracle
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    Couldn’t agree more Jeff. Personally I think Arteta is being set up as a sacrificial pawn and the club’s hierarchy are not expecting a turn around anytime soon. Wenger should have gone years ago and we should have gone for Klopp. Hanging onto Wenger that extra 5 years has sent us rapidly backwards. As Henry Winter stated yesterday there is so much dead wood at the club this job is too big for Arteta. As I said a few weeks back it will take 2 or 3 managers and 5+years to get anywhere near challenging again, and the longer we go without CL football the harder it will get. It wasnt long ago that the forum expert said it wont take 2 or 3 managers it will take the right one, now he’s telling us that Arteta is the right one. Then again he doesnt even know how Cup Final tickets are distributed along with several other things that go on within the club. Arteta will be eager and grateful, he wont rock the boat and he will be malleable, just what the BofD want as they work on bringing in someone else in 3 years time. Arteta is a stop gap who wont be allowed to spend or change much. We are going to be treading water, get used to it.

    #1639160
    Al The Gooner
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    Really interesting article Andy. I try not to get too worried about how much we have to spend anyway. Obviously there’s a correlation between cost and quality but a £90m player can turn out to be a flop, while a free transfer can turn out to be a top player.

    I always wonder how they know what the budget is anyway – of all the clubs, ours must be one of the most secretive. Besides which, as the article says, £50m is more than it sounds and depending on who the new manager wants to sell, he can probably raise at least another £50m. Fortunately, our weakest area is defence and defenders are a bit cheaper.

    Jeff – just let it go mate.

    #1639170
    Al The Gooner
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    Of course Shifters – sorry, Sir Shifters – it was just a coincidence you gave up your fake season ticket about 5 minutes after you were rumbled 😉

    Chin up old chap – the beauty of having a fake season ticket is that after the third manager, you can start pretending you have one again. I reckon you should go for a box next time.

    #1639293
    the specialone
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    Andy,Very interesting article which should be followed up on another thead since it is off topic.

    Where manager is concerned,Latest reports suggest Arteta might Snub us because of lack of decision making power he’ll have.The dream duo would be someone established and experienced like emery with arteta as no2.But would arteta agree?I mean if he really loves the club and wants to help us he should come as no2 and eventually take up the managers job.If the board do this,It is the best and only good thing they might have done here.

    But they’re incapable as expected.

    #1639303

    steve68
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    Al.you haven’t got to apologise because i know it wasn’t intended in
    any bad way.we’ve always got on,even if we disagree and i think that will
    always be the case.while i’m a 100% against arteta being our new manager,
    but i really do feel for him.perry groves summed it up perfectly when he
    said arteta probably had to sell himself and make a very good case when
    he had an interview for the job,with allegri it would have worked the other
    way.allegri would have said,can you match my ambition and it’s pretty
    obvious to us all now how that turned out.

    i will of course give arteta my support but i can honestly see this being
    a short term appointment and one the board will have a lot to answer for.
    no fan can blame arteta for taking the job,i would in his case.one of the
    reasons i think the board called time on wenger was this split between the
    fan base.for me they might have made things a lot worse and it wouldn’t
    suprise me one bit if we see empty seats come march/april,and protests
    against kroenke/gazidis to the extent we seen with wenger these past few
    months.

    it doesn’t take a brain surgeon to workout i’m anti kroenke and his fellow
    deluded board members.i think fans will turn on them and not arteta.that’s why
    i feel for the man because i like him as a person.he’s coming into a poison
    chalice and i’d hate to see discontent amongst the fans again.i hope and
    pray to god i’ve got all this wrong because this useless board of ours should
    be bringing us fan back together,but i feel the split between fans could
    get worse.i just hope they take it out on those they should and not arteta.
    wenger’s gone.THE BOARD NEXT FOR ME,mate.ps thanks andy528.top man.

    #1639358
    Al The Gooner
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    Steve, your comment about Arteta being a short term appointment got me wondering if they’re doing another “Rioch” and just getting in Mikel short-term, as they have another in mind, who wants to come but isn’t available yet.

    As far as the board go, I’ve been waiting for this moment. I’ve blamed Wenger for most of the crap over the last few years and my only real gripe with the board was that they didn’t sack Wenger sooner. So now, I guess we’re gonna see how much at fault the board were.

    Unless you’re a City fan, there aren’t many football fans about who are fans of their boards and there aren’t a huge number of clubs where a change of board has led to an immediate upturn in the fortunes of the club.

    In fairness to any board, if the manager is shit, they get the blame but, if the manager is brilliant, they rarely get acknowledged.

    Re: the manager, there’s suddenly a lot of stories about Emery and that he’s set for talks with us.

    #1639384
    Alfie07
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    It’s Emery. As reported by the bbc.

    #1639388
    the specialone
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    Emery 90% confirmed .the irony of it all.

    Here we are discussing so much about arteta and with the biggest of surprises emery is going to sign for us.

    BBC journo Ornstein announced.Hes the most accurate when it comes to our club.

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