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September 12, 2020 at 2:20 pm #1873689
And,when it comes to refugees/immigrants/migrants/asylum seeker-call em whatever you like,I agree with Len.If you decide to go and live in another mans house,you abide by the rules,regulations,principles,customs,way of life,of that man.I have no problem with someone coming to live in my country,work hard,contribute,pay taxes,but they have to live by the same constitution I do.UK belongs to British people,Sweden belongs to Swedish people,France belongs to French people,Germany belongs to German people,etc,etc.No matter where you go,you have to live by the rules and law of that nation/country.I have friends both in Stockholm and Malmo,I know quite well things they are faced with,and they blame the central goverment.September 12, 2020 at 2:32 pm #1873696
Red blood you’re conveniently forgetting pol pot and many genocides on the African continent and the fact it’s not whites that are evil or more evil it’s that all humanity no matter colour or creed is capable of evils and atrocities and have been since we stopped being monkeys! No other animal does that and it’s why mankind is the evil virus
History over eons have lead to white wealth majority had history been different and black or Indian or what not nations been more “advanced” and imperialistic then we could be living in a world of white discrimination…
it’s not the colour of skin or the country is every individual person ever!!!September 12, 2020 at 2:46 pm #1873698
Zico – you don’t understand what the race card is. It is not calling a racist a racist. That is simply calling a spade a spade. Anyone who says “why should we be nice to black people when their black kids mug our white kids everyday” is racist in my book.
There was a reason your post was deleted, it was because it was racist.September 12, 2020 at 2:58 pm #1873701
Yes thats rascist to say this but i dont recognize my words in that line Alfie.
If i said this i apologize for this. Who is the moderator?September 12, 2020 at 3:00 pm #1873702
steveo-All mankind is evil-man is evil beyond beliefs,like stated in the Bible.And the sooner a natural force wipes us out of the face of this planet,the better.But I was talking/writing about what the white man has already done to the world,with Brits and the French absolutely destroying the world for 300 years,Hitler causing the deaths of 100m people,and USA invading almost the entire white world,as if someone has put these fucking assholes in charge of the planet.I mean,why the fuck cant these people stay in their own countries,fucking cancers……………September 12, 2020 at 3:05 pm #1873703
And,stop being so fucking naive.Pol Pot and the rest of dictators who have killed their own people,they havent invaded UK,France or USA,killed someone elses people,raped,looted,stolen,someone elses people/wealth/properties.UK did invade,what,50 odd countries….September 12, 2020 at 3:18 pm #1873707
Their leaders state they are Marxists in videos, and their website states they want to destroy capitalism.
Replies from BLM supporters in this thread “it’s not a Marxist organisation”
BLM receives 100s of millions funding globally not just donations but through corporate and NGO sponsors.
Replies from BLM supporters in this thread “it’s a fluid grassroots movement with no structure”
BLM and it’s very loud but very tiny minority of supporters are not being slandered. They’re being called out for being unaware about politics. Some might say ignorant. Although I’d like to think it’s just nativity.
But at what point does it become blatant ignorance? When you ignore the leaders/founders statements? When you ignore the intention to destroy capitalism?
When do the denials cross over from nativity to ignorance?
I think we have reached that point gentleman. Continue to be ignorant if it makes you happy.
Just don’t join a BLM march and come to my neighborhood demanding reparations.September 12, 2020 at 3:49 pm #1873714
Actually JC. Its ignorant of you to think everyone that supports BLM is a Marxist capitalist killer. The vast majority just want to show solidarity with people who are being oppressed. At this point you’re not saying anything other than propaganda.September 12, 2020 at 5:13 pm #1873732
jc-BLM should have nothing to do with politics,otherwise its just another political movement.
I said it from the beggining to bingo,these gatherings of people should have been banned because of the Covid-19.
I have never really cared for politics,one way or another.September 12, 2020 at 7:01 pm #1873764
Where did I say that Harry?
Sorry my friend, but you are playing defense. And doing a good job of it too.
I get it. You see celebs, friends, family, all of whom decent people supporting BLM. Supporting it because they feel like it’s the right thing to do.
You don’t ask questions.
Maybe you think a stranger like me on the internet is lying. But a few months back when this thread began, I visited BLM Facebook page and within seconds images of dead children were on my screen (Bengali famine of 1938), and BLM were willfully misleading people that Brits stole the food and that’s why they died. Because of racism. It was actually a natural disaster that destroyed their crops, combined with Naval warfare that shut down trade routes, combined with the invasion of Bengals allies in the East, by Japan.
I’m just a guy who loves his life, friends and family too. And I think we’d be fools to not be concerned about BLM using their huge platform to popularise lies, which are clearly designed to incite hatred. And believe me, there were many other examples like this on their site.
There are anti racism campaigns out there with real integrity, BLM is not one of them.
Like bingo said. It’s wrong to tarnish everyone with the same brush. Some cops kill innocent people, some cops run into burning buildings to save people’s lives.
You can’t accuse all BLM supporters of being Marxists (I never said that), you can’t accuse all cops of being evil, and you can’t accuse a whole country of being racist.
Anyone who does any of the three is an idiot.September 12, 2020 at 7:32 pm #1873784
Tbh I dont doubt what you say, I just think its largely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. If it ever gets to the anarchist stage you’re suggesting, it wont have popular support. My personal view is I have alot of sympathy for people of colour that live stateside, I dont necessarily think it applies over here, as we have a very different more nuanced racism.September 12, 2020 at 7:36 pm #1873786
As for playing defence well. Shame our lads couldn’t do the same today.September 16, 2020 at 10:29 am #1874846
Today is historic in this matter as the city of Louisville have given 12 million dollars to the family of Breanna Taylor and they have promised more reforms… let’s wait and see what happens because the officers need to be convictedSeptember 16, 2020 at 5:39 pm #1875047
Hey I’ll take 4-3 over 1-0 any day.
Good to start the season with a bang, especially at a time when there are fears audiences for football might be dwindling.
That’s the no knock warrant shootout situation isn’t it bingo?
I remember police did a no knock warrant raid at 4am on the guy who lived across the road from me a few years back.
He was dodgy, as were most of his family who lived there. Involved in all kinds, from drug dealing to tax fraud.
It went peacefully, and nobody was hurt. But in America so many people have guns, the guy they raided, Breonnas boyfriend, fired on the police and it turned into a shootout.
They do them at night hoping to catch people unawares.
Perhaps it’s better to wait till they’re out if you need to search the premises. Or if you need to apprehend the individual wait till they’re outside and can be approached more safely.
But there’s always going to be some risk in apprehending dangerous individuals.September 17, 2020 at 7:54 am #1875185
America needs to come together people need to be talking and looking for ways to come together to begin to solve their problems over there from both sides of the divide.September 17, 2020 at 10:48 am #1875250
You are so ignorant JC, so unbelievably ignorant…
So you think it’s justifiable to shoot defenceless women in their bed because you’ve had dodgy neighbour?
FYI… The police raided the wrong house, they charged the house without telling anyone there who it was, basically just breaking and entering.
The police were investigating a house further down the street, a house that Breanna had no ties with, except a ex boyfriend.
Her current boyfriend shot at the intruders who in return shot Breanna dead. With one officers shooting 10 times blindly at the couple… Would you say the same if the cops had shot a kid?September 17, 2020 at 2:43 pm #1875357
The Breonna Taylor case is a tragedy that shouldn’t have ended as it did but the Police didn’t enter the wrong house they had a warrant to enter Breonna Taylor’s apartment because her ex boyfriend was a suspected drugs dealer and they believed he was recieving drug packages at Breonna Taylor’s apartment.
People need to take a balanced view and avail themselves of all of the facts and even if they then disagree it’s very unhelpful to be throwing around insults towards other posters.
These are very sensitive subjects that if they are going to be discussed need to be discussed with an awareness of all the facts and with sensitivity.September 17, 2020 at 3:49 pm #1875384
I was merely talking about the concept of no knock warrants, and what alternatives might be. And recounting an interesting event from my neighborhood a few years ago.
Before they get these warrants they have to go through certain procedures. Certainly the cops involved in busting my neighbour. They had been carrying out surveillance for months before the raid. They need to collect enough evidence for it to stick in court. Otherwise, they’ve fucked up months worth of work.
Which it seems like the cops stateside did in this case. With no drugs even being found on the premises.
Some details I’m hearing.
They were at the correct address, and were there because her drug dealer boyfriend was regularly seen at the property.
Breonnas neighbours and her second boyfriend who was with her at the time, say the police did knock loudly.
The police claim they did announce themselves, some of the neighbours back this up, some of the other neighbors say they didn’t hear it, and her boyfriend said he didn’t hear it.
Breonnas boyfriend opened fire and shot one of the police first.
The police were in plainclothes.
They returned fire, shot 20 times into the apartment blindly, Breonna was hit 5 times.
There’s no bodycam footage.
The police also didn’t make any report or take statements from the officers at the time, the left their report blank.
After this event, no knock warrants have been banned in federal investigations, and incentives have been given for states to follow suit. In the state where this happened no knock warrants have been banned, and it is now essential for all officers executing warrants to wear bodycams and have them switched on from 5 minutes before, until 5 minutes after executing the warrant.
If you ask me, from the little I know, I don’t even think the warrant was justified.
But if there police version of the story is true, they announced themselves and were fired upon as soon as they entered, then returning fire would be justified, and anyone caught in the crossfire, a tragic accident.
Impossible to say if the police are telling the truth without bodycams. And it’s hard to trust the police version of events in this case, when they didn’t even make a report of the events right away.
It looks to me like they fucked up on a number of levels.
Did you ever hear about this one Bingo? Totally fucked https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/02/us/amber-guyger-trial-sentencing/index.htmlSeptember 17, 2020 at 9:03 pm #1875510
“America needs to come together people need to be talking and looking for ways to come together to begin to solve their problems over there from both sides of the divide”.
You’re peace sentiments are of course correct and most honourable Nine. But there is overwhelming evidence to support the fact that it will never happen mate, at least in our, or our offspring’s lifetime in a month of Sundays. I’ve lived over there and travelled around extensively and the social divides are extreme in the extreme.
Don Chump and his monkeys obviously don’t and certainly won’t help matters to improve the welfare of the poor one iota, and neither will the democrats. Nothing of significance will change over there for the better any time soon. If anything, I can see it getting much worse.
I’m afraid the good ol’ USA is destined to remain a basket case for the foreseeable future Nine. They are not much better than the other two so-called ‘super’ power basket cases.
Let’s face it mate, anyway you look at it, the future is murder.
Happy days eh,
Len.September 18, 2020 at 7:32 am #1875541
Lenny, there has to be a route out of the mess that the US is currently in.
If people aren’t talking and aren’t looking for ways to come together the US will never overcome its current problems.
Banning “no knock warrants” could be a very small step in the right direction but it needs to happen across the whole of the US. There also needs to be restrictions on how the Police operate shooting a man 7 times in the back is an over use of force imo. Shooting a man in the back because he’s running away when he’s not even a suspect of any major crime and he’s been stopped on suspicion of drink driving is a totally unacceptable action by the Police. But so is trying to kill two Police Officers in their car in Compton just because they are on duty.
I’m not sure the US can ever come together under a Trump Presidency I’m not even sure Biden is the answer but he’s worth a try imo.
The root cause of many of the US’s ills are their gun laws Breonna Taylor would probably be alive today had her current boyfriend not had such easy access to a gun and not been able to open fire on the Police.
I don’t pretend that I’ve got the answers to the mess the US is in currently and it’s been a long time coming but those in power in the US can’t keep sitting on their hands doing nothing about it there has to be communication between all sides and a coming together and radical changes made or things are likely to get even worse.
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