June 10, 2020 at 8:49 pm #1848150
I think you’ve seriously missed my point Alfie, and BLM demonstrations in the UK of whatever ethnic mix and denomination have definitely missed the point too. You obviously support them and that’s your business. However..
These demonstrations are a disrespectful affront to our country that goes out of its way to welcome anyone in the world worth welcoming. It’s an insult to the millions of us who have been respectfully self-isolating and keeping our distance for months, missing our families and following the rules.
I have empathy with anyone of any race that respects our rules, contributes to our society and plays our game. If they don’t, can’t, refuse or hate to accept our way of British life, then they should do the decent thing and leave. Why not? Surely there is nothing wrong with that Alf.
The sad event that happened in Minneapolis offered BLM an agenda in the USA, and perhaps it was deserved, but that country is, and has always been, a complete basket case.
We aren’t yet, but if we don’t watch out we could head the same way, especially if too many naive people continue to swallow this shit-show.
Its nothing but an extremely skewed farce.
Lenny.June 12, 2020 at 9:04 pm #1848421
Well that takes the cake!! A classic Basil Faulty episode has been deleted by the BBC. Our historical statues are also being covered and shored up, including Churchill for fear of it upsetting black people!
Why is this insane outfit that calls itself: “Black Lives Matter” still allowed to march and disrupt life all over London streets whinging about their lives with the Mayor of London, Sadiq Kahn, and the Met Police Commissioner Kressida Dick’s blessing? How can this shit-show be condoned?
Never mind “Black Lives Matter”, what about “Beige Lives Matter”, or “Light Brown Lives Matter”, or “Pale Yellow Lives Matter”. Oh, and I almost forgot, … what about “White Lives Matter” too!!!!!
What the fuck is going on in this crazy country? This madness needs to be stamped out now! And the powers that be need to do whatever it takes to ensure that it is!
Lenny.June 15, 2020 at 9:19 pm #1848903
Completely agree Lenny. Its all staged by some wealthy people,the globalist maffia with Soros,Gates and Democrats like Obamas and Clintons.
Those fuckers wants race against race. The lefties hijacks black peoples interests to start an anarchy and to disarm the police. Politicians hands are tied with political correctness by the minorities. First you empty the streets in a pandemic then you fill it with BLM and lefties. How could they sanction this in a pandemic?June 21, 2020 at 7:40 pm #1850341
I wonder if the premier League or players showing solidarity with BLM are aware it’s a Marxist political movement that believe in collective guilt, trial by public opinion, and want to disband police and capitalism.
Some white supremacist county we are, where Indians and Chinese earn a higher average salary than Caucasians.
Not bashing any racial groups here, as you can tell I’m not a fan of collectivism and think every individual should be judged on their own merits… But here’s some stats from our govt. Per capita, Caucasians contribute more tax money than Black people. Per capita black people take more benefits than Caucasians. This so called “white supremacist racist system” is redistributing wealth from white people to black people.
And right at the bottom of the average salary charts, Roma gypsies and Irish travellers. But at least they have white privilege right? Whatever that means.
I hope George Floyd’s family get justice. Seeing what unfolded at Hillsborough as a kid and knowing families affected, it’s quite an ordeal to fight against corruption from authorities. I hope they at least get justice in the courts.
But BLM are spreading hostility toward all white people (well the ones who won’t kneel to their Marxist agenda) for things they had no part in, and even things that happened hundreds of years ago.
I don’t see how that’s going to take race relations forward.June 22, 2020 at 9:12 am #1850422
UK households most likely to have a weekly income of less than £400 are from the mixed and black ethnic groups, at 32% and 35% respectively – according to the latest government survey.
JC – your post shows the breadth of opinions in the UK at the moment. Polar opposite to others. You think it’s a good thing black people earn less and therefore receive more in benefits and other people feel the polar opposite. Funny old world, eh?June 22, 2020 at 3:13 pm #1850557
“JC You think it’s a good thing black people earn less”
Come on Alfie, behave yourself! I didn’t say that. I appreciate you engaging with my post, but prefer if you don’t strawman me.
The white demographic is roughly in the middle, behind several other ethnicities in the salary charts here in the UK. Same in America.
This contradicts the BLM theory that our country is a “white supremacist” system. Nobody controls the economy, let alone a shadowy cabal of white supremacists. Which is why the cultures who perform best in education dominate the salary charts. If you look at stats for A level results by ethnicity, it’s basically a mirror image of salary. And white people aren’t on top.
The government, as discussed earlier, is hardly enacting “white supremacy” by redistributing wealth into the black community through the welfare state, is it?
So neither our economy or our govt are white supremacist systems. So what’s the reason for inequity? That’s the question and is not easy to answer, there are probably many reasons, and despite protection from the courts racism may be a factor if someone in a position of authority over you in the workplace is racist.
Take two groups who are identical ethnically but perform vastly different in salary… White British vs Irish Travellers.
Race is identical, the only difference is culture. This proves the importance of culture on economic outcomes, and there’s a lot more to average salary than race. And once more for good measure, the top 3 ethnic groups by salary in this country are all non white.
This is just my opinion here, but it looks to me the black community (not all of course, but on aggregate) resents British society, not as much as travellers but certainly more than other groups like Indians who are mostly grateful for the freedoms they experience in our country. And the more resentment takes root, whether you are black, Irish traveler, or white British, the less likely you are to succeed.
Here in the UK we aren’t perfect but we have better opportunities than most countries in the world. The average salary for a black person in the UK is 25k a year, no doubt one of the best countries on Earth to live for a black person.
White people in countries like Belarus in Eastern Europe are earning 3k a year on average, and suffer high rates of human trafficking (modern day slavery). But at least they’ve got white privilege, whatever that means.
Black people in the democratic Republic of Congo earn 300 a year, but at least they don’t experience institutional racism, or god forbid, sitcoms that reinforce harmful stereotypes.
If BLM held black people to the same standard they hold whites over slavery they’d be up in arms about what’s going on in Equitorial Guinea and Eritrea (black nations with state enforced slavery), but instead they’re oddly silent about it
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/worst-countries-for-human-trafficking-today.htmlJune 22, 2020 at 3:47 pm #1850566
JC… Dude… You do realise that your country is built on slavery! Like your history and wealth is mostly built on ransacking the whole planet, we could literally be talking about this genocide or this genocide in your history and you feel like its not built on racism, now that is sad…June 22, 2020 at 8:47 pm #1850610
Hat’s off JC! A brilliant fully thought through post on Teamtalk! I totally agree with you. I was starting to suspect that everyone on here was down on their knees supporting this outrageous farce.
To be fair, I suspect Alfie may have misunderstood your brilliant gist as he did with my recent post. I’d certainly give him the benefit of the doubt.
But I do have trouble defending Notorious Bingo. He’s appeared to have already hung his full colours to his mast, so he’ll have to explain himself, – and hopefully without calling you “Dude”…. but don’t bank on it.
JC. It was a pleasure to read such an articulate well thought through post.
It rarely happens on here these days.
Cheers, Lenny.June 22, 2020 at 9:00 pm #1850618
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So Bingo why would you choose to support a Club and a Football site in such a despicable country.
I suggest you troll through the history books and take notice of the many positive things Great Britain has done for the world including helping save the world from Naziism and Iceland from its occupation!
We can’t and shouldn’t try and deny our past but you have to balance the bad with the good.June 22, 2020 at 9:37 pm #1850622
Quite right Nine.
Notorious Bingo has shown his colours in more ways than one on here and it’s time for him to come clean. But don’t hold your breath. It’s the nature of the beast..
Lenny.June 22, 2020 at 9:57 pm #1850626
I’ve heard that repeated before many times bingo. It’s not your words, I’m not going to take offense. But have a think about it. The UKs wealth today in 2020, “mostly built on slavery” that’s the allegation you’ve made.
Slavery contributed to the GDP of this nation, at various points in history, as did shady deals with colonies. My ancestors were enslaved by Romans and then again by the English (I’m Scottish), obviously people in the past in this land suffered greatly from bad stuff, others benefited from bad stuff, and spilled blood. What I object to, strongly, is the idea this was unique to the west, or that people today should be held accountable.
You’re Scandinavian right? How about the Vikings? They raped and pillaged from many countries and took that wealth back home with them, they built up their society thanks to that wealth, they probably only survived wars with neighbours because of the pillaging. So you have benefited from rape and pillaging, by your own logic. How stupid is that. A Scandinavian born today is not responsible for the crimes of the Vikings, nor do they profit from it.
The national treasury was empty after ww1 and then again after ww2, and currently today it’s a negative number.
Fortunately, the UK is a place people want to live and do business, we are in demand and that’s great for the economy, which has helped us rebuild from the ashes of two wars.
What makes this a great place for business? We have security in the form of police, a law and order system people trust, democracy where we can vote out bad leaders without bloodshed, with positive international relationships, a good education system. Funnily enough, all things that BLM is trying to dismantle.
The UK GDP is 2 trillion a year. 20% industry, 80% services, 0% trafficking stolen colonial goods. There may be a museum or two which have stolen artifacts, to be fair, but again it’s hardly the backbone of our economy. Goods from the colonial era, stolen or otherwise, have been long since been spent buddy. It makes up zero of today’s GDP.
Where I can see some truth, is we owe a lot of our standing today to having industrialised first… And slavery and colonialism contributed to that. But if that’s what you mean… Then an individual of ethnic minority working in the UK today is benefiting from slavery, just as much as a white person.
The suggestion that all people in this country today, which includes many black people, owe their wealth to theft is at best an ill informed over-reach. And at worst, Osama Bin Laden level anti western propaganda.
Like anywhere else, most people in this country are born with nothing and yes they are blessed with political stability and opportunity compared with other countries, but have to work for everything they’ve got. In my view, the current generation of Brits are getting fleeced, on average each household in the UK pays over 2000 a year to service the national debt. That’s money down the drain to our debtors (mainly China), and that’s just government debt, personal debt in Britain is significant too. Very few people own their own homes. You need two people working full time to afford to raise a family anywhere better than the shittiest part of town.
How much do the UK pay out in foreign aid each year? About 12 billion. And that’s been happening for some time now, probably 100 billion the last 20 years, and that’s just from tax payers, many more millions are raised by various charities in the UK every year. Remember to factor that into your rigorous calculations about how much the UK is “ransacking the whole planet”.
Now onto genocide. My bloodline has paid a hefty price, 8 of my great uncles were killed in ww1 and 2, fighting against a real genocidal regime. That’s fairly typical for people living in the UK. No doubt we’d have a higher standing in the world today without the 7 trillion spent fighting two world wars, and the absolutely irreplaceable damage of 1.5 million Brits killed, but do you see us getting resentful and bitter about it? No we have moved on.
The British empire did colonise several parts of the world, and collected tax in exchange for security and access to trade routes which were often lucrative for ruling class natives, but as capitalism often is was exploitative of the lower classes/castes which occasionally resulted in uprising, but what people forget about these conflicts is it wasn’t black vs white. It was pro British natives alongside the Brits who fought against separatists. Not black v white ethnic cleansing race wars, more a geopolitical conflict. Ugly all the same, but this was a long time ago, the world was not as litigious back then and violence has been the main resolver of disputes for basically all of human history until recently.
Should all Asians be apologizing for killings carried out by Ghengis Khan or the Ottoman Empire? Should all Muslims today be treated as if they benefited from the Eastern slave trade which continued well into the 19th century. Should Scandinavians pay reparations to descendants of Scottish families Vikings raped. Should the UK pay compensation for bombing raids on civilian targets in Nazi Germany.
Or how about everyone ignore and stop spreading divisive collectivist propaganda. Approximately around the days of slavery in the west, average life expectancy in the UK was about 35, young British children were sent down mines often for 20 hours a day, families would have 16 kids and only 4 of them would survive until adulthood. The world today aint that bad, you just have to step out your bubble and take a look at it once in a while.June 22, 2020 at 10:25 pm #1850636
Utter poetry JC. Keep it coming.
Anyone seen Notorious Bingo?
That boy has got a lot to answer for….June 22, 2020 at 10:37 pm #1850637
JC – you wrote the following.
“ But here’s some stats from our govt. Per capita, Caucasians contribute more tax money than Black people. Per capita black people take more benefits than Caucasians. This so called “white supremacist racist system” is redistributing wealth from white people to black people.“
Just to clarify, do you think that is good, or bad?June 22, 2020 at 10:50 pm #1850638
I don’t think it’s good for anyone to be on benefits, I would much prefer everyone was living their best life, but I do think it’s good there’s a safety net there.June 22, 2020 at 11:02 pm #1850639
The safety net is neither here nor there. The issue is that statistically black families and families of mixed ethnicities are the lowest earners. BLM are trying to change that. I wish them well.June 22, 2020 at 11:08 pm #1850641
Lenny did you forget what I told you at the start of this thread, its only two pages long but I’ll state it again in case you have trouble remembering, I don’t argue with racists!June 23, 2020 at 1:44 pm #1850779
I wouldn’t be so dismissive of the safety net. Any person of any religion or race in this country, wind rain or shine, the people of Britain are with you. Your mother is sick? Don’t worry, we will make sure she gets the best treatment. Your kids are hungry? Don’t worry, we’ll fix that.
The welfare state in Britain (when it’s not being abused at least) is one of the finest acts of humanitarianism known to man. Which makes the resentment people are being taught to feel towards the country all the more toxic.
“The issue is that statistically black families and families of mixed ethnicities are the lowest earners.”
Wrong… By far, the two lowest earning groups in the UK are Roma gypsies and Irish Travellers.
The black unemployment rate is 9% in the UK, which is rather high. The unemployment rate for Irish Travellers is 85%… Take a moment for that to sink in.
You’re also wrong about mixed race salary… Mixed race have a higher average salary than whites in the UK. But higher unemployment rate of 7% compared to white unemployment which is 4%.
Who wouldn’t support BLM trying to raise the average salary of black people in the UK? Also who wouldn’t support more checks and balances against the police. Both would be fine aims.
Sadly that’s not what it’s about.
BLM UK has raised 1m so far this month. In their own words, this money will be used to “dismantle imperialism, capitalism, white-supremacy, patriarchy and the state structures that disproportionately harm black people in Britain and around the world.”
See for yourself:
Here’s one of the co founders of BLM, describing themselves as “trained Marxists”:
In case you don’t know what Marxism is, it’s a far-left political ideology, which pushes class conflict, in order to install a Communist state:
All they do for the black community is incite conflict. Zero of the 1 mil will go towards freeing black slaves today in Guinea and Eritrea, zero toward job creation, zero toward better policing, zero toward promoting nuclear family values.
But you bet they’ll be accusing capitalism of being “like slavery”, insisting Churchill once deliberate killed 2 million ethnic minorities, slandering people of all races who oppose their political aims, convincing talented multimillionaire celebs they are victims of oppression, and stoking up unrest in the street any opportunity they get.
If you look into Marxist doctrines like Saul Alinsky, and examine the numerous Marxist uprisings over the last century, you’ll see the initial stages of revolution is about creating a climate of militancy, a fear of violence which will pressure politicians to cave in to the demands of the Marxists leading the movement.
Here are BLM organisers marching on the mayor’s house the day after several were killed and businesses looted and burned in riots:
Their aim is divide and conquer – weaken America, weaken the UK, and then change to a new political system. The leadership of BLM is aware of their Marxist aims; however, the average participant is probably oblivious.
For what it’s worth, I don’t think BLM are anywhere close to achieving their aims here in the UK, but the far-left is getting increasingly bold, and the endorsement from high places is concerning. People need to look beyond the slogan, and clue themselves up before they endorse a group agitating for Communist revolution.June 23, 2020 at 2:37 pm #1850797
Go to section 2 (by ethnicity), the summary states:
“the households most likely to have a weekly income of less than £400 were from the Mixed and Black ethnic groups, at 32% and 35% respectively”. So me claiming that to be the case is not wrong nor way off, it’s word for word from the gov.uk report.
The safety net is neither here nor there in this discussion because the discussion is based on you claiming that “But here’s some stats from our govt. Per capita, Caucasians contribute more tax money than Black people. Per capita black people take more benefits than Caucasians. This so called “white supremacist racist system” is redistributing wealth from white people to black people.“
Which I may have misunderstood what you meant. I thought you meant that it’s a good thing black people earn less and therefore receive more in benefits and other people feel the polar opposite. So the safety net is immaterial to this discussion as it was introduced after the debate on what you meant.
I assumed people paying more in tax earned more, and people taking more in benefits earned less and the redistribution of wealth from white to black people (your words) was a positive in your view. If you don’t feel that way then great.June 23, 2020 at 6:07 pm #1850867
Think I got the wrong end of the stick too Alfie, thought you were saying black and mixed earn the lowest wage.
The part of the report you highlighted is about households. Black and mixed race families have double the rate of single parent households compared to all other groups, which goes some way to explaining that statistic:
With this in mind, you might assume BLM would promote stronger family values within the black community. However, from BLMs official website, “We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure”
https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/June 23, 2020 at 7:56 pm #1850899
Bingo, do behave. The reason you jumped to your daft conclusion is because you are obviously an avid BLM supporter regardless of its background and their serious divertive motives. Black Lives Matter refers to black Americans killed by police. It has nothing to do with the UK or with football.
The people who run the Premier League are creating a racial divide in our country. If they carry on pushing this slogan for the remaining games, it will get much worse. Embracing Black Lives Matter is a monumental blunder by the Premier League that will permanently damage football and set race relations back fifty years. Whoever is responsible for the decision should resign.
Black Lives Matter is dividing our country and forcing everyone to identify by race. It could not be more destructive. It will end in tears and violence and everyone who supports it is an idiot.
The next World Cup will be held in Qatar, a terrorist-funding racist rogue state with no football connection, in brand new stadiums built on the bones of dead foreign labourers who were treated like slaves. Ask yourself this Bingo. Would Black Lives Matter boycott that? Bearing in mind that they jail women for being raped, I don’t think so.
So football has taken a moral stand with Black Lives Matter has it Bingo? Well, perhaps not. Manchester City is owned by a prince in the government of Abu Dhabi where women are also jailed for being raped. Perhaps the PL players could take the knee for that too, or wear that on their shirts.
Black Lives Matter is a front for far left extremists to exploit black people for a wider political agenda, and the dimwits who play football are buying into it wholesale, or are too gutless not to. I wonder how many will take the knee and raise a fist in front of 50,000 fans…
Black privilege means that you get to take the knee, raise a fist, and smear millions of decent English people as racists. Pure self-indulgence. It will backfire horribly and cause more racism, not less, as tolerant people run out of patience… And don’t forget… Isis are also attempting to destroy and eradicate history for their own evil ends.
At least try to think it through Bingo before you start planting labels on people.
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