Mismanagement & Bad Signings

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    @steveosnakeeye – I’d take:

    – Kurzawa (back-up & challenge Shaw for LB)
    – Erisken
    – Modric
    – Gotze
    – Mertens

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    Mike2005
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    @Mac I agree with what you’ve said here, and we’re not far apart in our views on who’s to blame.
    The backroom staff issue, is slightly incidental as it did need to be done at some point, there was just too much change at once to support any kind of continuity.

    So the topic of Phelan and the backroom staff has come up again recently (McKenna in particular seems to be getting targeted). Do we need a new first team coach at the end of the season, or are we just seeing the last of a few bad eggs, using player power to leak stories to the press?

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    killyboye
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    Of the 26 listed there I wouldn’t be rushing to sign many, Savic did well at Atletico for a while under Simeone but has fallen out of favour. He’d be better than Phil Jones but that wouldn’t be hard to be fair. I’d get Guerreiro from Dortmund as he can also play left back, he’s only 25 so would fit into the younger player bracket. Don’t know anything about the guy from Lyon, the midfielder so he might be worth a punt. Apart from that, they’re all either over the hill physically or just too old.
    I think we have to look at the Glazers as the cause of all our problems. Even if they hadn’t leveraged their buyout with a load of debt, they’ve systematically mismanaged the club since the day they took over. They then lumped Ed Woodward into the job which was fine at the time, however time has not been a kind mistress to Ed. Time has shown that Ed hasn’t a fucking clue what he’s doing from a football perspective. Perhaps he deserved a shot, but to leave him in situ and not get rid of him when he’s obviously out of his depth is criminal. He’s a fantastic commercial director, getting sponsors and money into the club, he’s probably second to none but he needs to have football affairs (transfers included) taken off his remit. The fact that the Glazers have allowed this situation to continue is unforgiveable.
    To add to this, the Glazers and Ed have overseen a period of managerial changes which have all started reasonably, apart from from Moyes who seemed doomed to failure, but ended in ignominy. Again, Ed and the Glazers have not covered themselves in glory. OGS was given the permanent job too soon, why not wait until the end of the season? If still temporary the players might have kept trying harder, they might have tried harder to buy into his concepts and the good times may have rolled a bit longer and the start of this season might not have been so important. Life is full of if’s and buts though.
    We have continually seen underperforming players awarded new and more lucrative contracts, Mata, Lingard, Jones and now (arguably) De Gea.
    Now, and worst of all, the club is stagnating, the stadium is ageing badly, it was once the envy of every Premier League club, would it now be in the top 5? The top 10?
    Worse about the stagnation is on the pitch. We’re like Liverpool were 20 years ago. Living on past glories and convinced that those achievements gave us a god given right to be successful now. Since when is success a guarantee? Since when does Fergie’s achievements make this squad great or entitled to greatness?
    The club needs to be renergised from top to bottom and, being honest, I can’t see the Glazer’s being the one’s with the appetite or the wallet to do it.

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    @killyboye – whilst older players won’t help us long-term, think we’ve gone too much in the opposite direction in terms of having young players with no leaders.

    Kurzawa is a good left back and just can’t find a spot with PSG (no shame there) and is undoubtedly better than Young for the LB spot when Shaw is injured (which is often). At 27 he’s not exactly over the hill in terms of age.

    Eriksen and Gotze are 27 – peak years in reality. Both are class and way better than all our midfielders, bar Pogba.

    Mertens would add a different type of player up front, just like Ibrahimovic did and just like Mandzukic may do.

    We could see this team next year without a single cent spent:

    De Gea
    AWB (Dalot) – Tuanzebe (Lindelof) – Maguire (Rojo) – Shaw (kurzawa)
    McTominay (Fred) – Pogba (Pereira) – Erisken (Gotze)
    James (Chong) – Rashford (Mertens) – Martial (Gomes)

    Don’t think that’s too bad – throw in another 200m into the fray and you’ve got a potential Top Four team.

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    steveosnakeeye
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    blimey champ manager isnt as good as it used to be 😉

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    MacGuffin
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    @mike2005 – I’m not sure how desirable continuity was in terms of the system. Fans tend to airbrush history to make the past better than it was.

    The team was getting progressively worse in terms of player quality and team style. The last title win was hardly champagne football, it was perhaps the luckiest and largely due to DDG and RvP.

    When fans talk about continuity they mean keep on winning. I doubt many fans have the first idea about what goes on behind the scenes. But with the veterans aging and the younger players not stepping up I dont see how the likes of Phelan could magical make Cleverly into a Charlton or a Smalling into a Rio.

    After two decades with the same manager change was inevitable and probably desirable. Lets not forget Fergie was largely a dinosaur who probably had the same style he always had. Not sure hairdryers work with the foreign player who doesn’t understand a word he’s saying. I’m convinced Fergie knew there would be problems so abandoned ship before it hit the iceberg.

    The Moyes problem was the same as you find in companies all over the world, people resist change and dont cooperate, especially if they do not respect the boss. The difference in football is player power trumps management.

    For me the root problem is Glazer-Eds control of signings and extensions based largely on budget (restrictions) and a poor understanding of football(ers).

    Anyhow it is what it is, I dont see things changing much if reports are true that Ole has a 300m budget for the next two seasons.

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    killyboye
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    @sympathy, I’d rather have Guerreiro who plays in a very good Dortmund team over Kurzawa who can’t get a game in a PSG team who’ve been very expensively assembled, piss their league but crumble in Europe.
    I’d stretch to Eriksen/Gotze in midfield given they’re only 27 but that’s about it. None of the defenders set me alight with longing and certainly none of the strikers do. I’d rather go out and spend money on young to middle age (relatively speaking) players rather than get average or too old players on the cheap. There’s a reason many players contracts are allowed to run down, greed or not up to the level ability-wise, neither are characterisitics we should be looking to recruit, we have enough already.

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    redblood
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    Sympathy-On a free,I agree,any of em players are ok for a year-max! But then again,will need replacing the following year most of em.I would take Eriksen yesterday,but sadly he seems to want to win trophies,which with us is lightyears away.Modric,Cavani,Mertens,Callejon-no fucking way.
    killyboye-B.Soumare plays for Lille,mate,not Lyon,but has been outstanding the last couple of years I have watched him closely.However,so was Bakayoko @ Monaco a while a go,so…..

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    redblood
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    redblood
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    Sympathy-I really hope you are terribly wrong about that line-up for next season,mate.Wanting Pogba & Rojo still playing for us next season? Hope they both fuck off in January,latest next summer,alongside many more.

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    @killyboye and @redblood – my apologies but I don’t think I made myself understood. My mention of those players was based off of the list provided by steveosnakeeye as players who will be out of contract at the end of the year, nothing else. There are many many other players who i would prefer instead and would go for other players above them BUT, given that we will not splurge anything higher than 200m in a window, would it be so bad to get in some of those players as stop gaps? Yes most are old but Modric, Mertens and the like still remain excellent players and better than what we have, whilst Guerreiro/Kurzawa, Eriksen and Gotze at 27 are good options for a big of experience but coming in at just about the right age.

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    killyboye
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    Mertens will be 33 at the start of next season. Definitely not a player we want, if Napoli let him go it’s for one of two reasons:
    1. He’s not as good as he was and they’re willing to let him leave
    2. He’s looking for a larger wage as this will be his last big contract and he’s being greedy and asking more than they’re willing to pay.
    Both good reasons for us not to sign him.

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    Same goes for Mandzukic and Rakitic.

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    redblood
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    Sympathy-Eriksen yes mate,every day of the week,Kurzawa too,but Modric is already 34 and always injured,which means he is finished @ the top.But we shouldnt really be going after geriatrics of the ilk of Cavani,Mandzukic,Mertens,Williant,etc,at all.Much better doing what Chelsea & Arse are doing in bringing through young players,than collecting the rejects of Europe.We have Young,Rojo,Matic,Mata,dont we?

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    Yes JM, if OGS sanctions either of those 2, then he is as hood as gone as it will mean the young, hungry, british motto has been parked – and proof the manager and Ed have lost their nerve.

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    redblood
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    Goetze has peaked too early and after the WC 2014 he hasnt been the same player he was.Same goes for Hummels and Boateng.We need to invest in the likes of Havertz,de Beek,Neres,Zyiech,SMS,Dias,etc…..

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    happyhurling
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    Rashford is back!

    #1791209

    jm1502
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    Ha ha, fuck me happy. It looked a great goal in real time, I’ll give you that, but the replay showed the defender jump on his arse and the shot go through the keeper’s hands. Certainly proved that he either plays down the left or not at all though.

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    jm1502
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    Correct redblood. Particularly like the look of Havertz.

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    killyboye
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    It’s certainly the confidence boost he needed. Looks better on the wing, Martial will need to play through the middle when he’s fit.

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