Mismanagement & Bad Signings

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  • #1791814

    Blacky
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    @killy – Hahaha You could even get Doctor @redblood to perform the procedure for you mate!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    #1791823
    killyboye
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    @blacky, perish the thought

    #1791839
    redblood
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    Blacky-I only operate hearts mate,if only any of our players had one…..

    #1791881

    Manthistle
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    Blacky – It’s my opinion that Zlatan was a poor buy because it’s short-term thinking. He was over 30 when he signed and even older when he left. I’m not a fan of stop gap signings. You can’t build a team if you’re constantly chopping and changing players. There needs to be longevity. I didn’t think RvP was a good signing due to his age. Didn’t think Matic was for the same reason. Or Laurent Blanc. Or Schweinsteiger. Or Owen.

    Don’t deny Zlatan did a good job for us, but how do we know if signing him prevented us from signing someone else who would have been a better choice long term?

    #1791894
    Zico
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    How old is Mata and whats he been doing lately on the pitch?
    Absolutely nada!

    #1791900

    happyhurling
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    It actually buggers belief (spelling correct!) that Dan James is so important to us now.

    #1791928

    N1xer
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    I would say its an absolute inditement of how shite we currently are and a total embarrassment

    #1791930

    Blacky
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    @Manny – Fair enough, I completely agree with you on that point. It’s a big pity we didn’t get Zlatan when he was 5 years younger. Looks like we are now going to pay 10m for Mandzukic who is nearly 34 yrs old and nowhere near as good, deary me.

    #1791948
    steveosnakeeye
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    what do you lot make of this?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50091841

    #1791954
    Alfie07
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    I think it was fairly obvious tbh.

    Problem with today’s society is that people believe what they read. Very few question what they are told.

    For example, I am doing it now!

    However, it does make sense.

    What I would question though is the story is in two parts. Football people making football decisions, and then the January transfer window being used to sign long term signings rather than short term fixes. Because I believe one I will automatically believe the other, but I’m not sure that is necessarily the case. Ed has said the football bit, but the transfer window bit hasn’t come from him.

    #1791958
    steveosnakeeye
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    well if the football bit is true then what does this say about the club for the last few years with all the shocking footballing decisions, it helped when it was thought to come from non football people but if it is then it actually makes things far worse, no?

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    steveosnakeeye
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    #1791963
    Alfie07
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    The thing is though, were the decisions ‘shocking’?

    All were bad to shocking in hindsight, but that’s a wonderful thing. People quickly forget the good decisions that were made.

    #1791965
    Alfie07
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    With the Fergie story, again peoppple will either believe it as it seems to make sense or won’t believe it as:
    a. tribal reasons won’t accept he would do that
    b. will argue why would a multi-millionaire need to take a, fairly small, bribe?
    c. point out even the bloke who made the original allegation denies the truth in it
    d. there is no evidence that the agent ever worked on a transfer with man utd

    #1791968
    Alfie07
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    Regarding the ‘shocking ‘ football decisions. Jose makes short term decisons, he has done so whereever he went, so if people thought he’d give that up entirely at Utd then they are probably in for a shock. He signed Matic, and ex player who was very good. Hardly shocking. Sanchez was a free transfer, hardly shocking. Fred is poor, but a shock? Why is it shocking that we signed him, but not long ago poeoplpe were saying we only signed him as City wanted him? Are City’s football people shocking too? Or are we judging one club by different standards again?

    Most of the individual decisions are understandable. The problem is we made too many poor ones over too long a period. But that in itself is understandable as we chopped and chnaged manager too often.

    #1791975

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    The story about Fergie is total horse shit and has got zero traction anywhere in Europe. Why would you throw a game against Juve for 30K when the game itself is worth millions? If true it would mean that one of the greatest teams in English football history was full of players that took a back hander. You really think that Utd squad would have been in on match fixing? Find it totally ridiculous.

    #1791976
    MacGuffin
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    Haha.. its always a Rolex isn’t it. Never a Cartier or a condo in Spain or heaven forbid cash.

    I’m sure Alex and every manager accepted bungs in transfers but never match fixing and certainly not champions league. And not sure how bribing the manager can fix the game to any level of certainty.

    And why bother with Fergie when the Hungarian referee can be bought for a Swatch !!

    #1791979

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    Post Fergie Utd have tried to replicate the Fergie Gill model and it doesn’t surprise me in the slightest that the managers have had the biggest say in football decisions. Bottom line is LvG and Mourinho are two of the biggest egos ever in the game and will never accept they failed. There is a narrative in the media it’s the boards fault and they will hide behind that to save their own bollix.

    Where the board fucked up was appoint managers who were not the proper fit and then continue to fire them without any long term recruitment strategy. That’s why we ended up with a lucky bag of shite as a squad after Mourinho got himself fired. How was LvG ever going to build a long term squad when he was clearly past his sell by date even when he was at Munich 4 years before. And how many teams has Mourinho ever built?

    The simple reason we are where we are is because we haven’t appointed a top manager who fits the Utd mould. Someone who can identify and build a team around young players. The board are largely responsible for the simple reason they have failed to implement the correct long term vision for the football side of the club.

    #1791980
    MacGuffin
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    Why do people keep on saying Sanchez was free, he wasn’t. We gave Mikki for him who was valued at 35m.

    This article discussed the same topic as the BBC one https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/oct/17/manchester-united-recruitment-ed-woodward

    the executive vice-chairman admits recruitment strategy was dysfunctional in the wake of Sir Alex Ferguson’s retirement.

    Incidentally the article also says …..

    Privately the hierarchy accept that Moyes had almost no chance of success because United retained the structure that had worked so productively for Ferguson, his predecessor. There is a further acknowledgment that the prevailing reason for the flatlining of the side and failure to challenge for the title in the six years since Ferguson left is errors in recruitment.

    some fans say Moyes should not have messed about with title winning structures but what may have worked in the past may not work for the future !!!

    #1792028

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    Blacky – Agree. Just another stop gap. Don’t mind loans like Larsson because they can leave at the end of the year, but signing a 34 year-old is something a team like Stoke would do, not Manchester Utd. He’ll be on silly wages and we won’t be able to get rid of him.

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