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    The Oracle
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    Again you’re missing the point Moppy, read my last post. We don’t have any money to spend so we need another approach. Edu & Arteta and crooked agents are not going to improve us. You’ll be telling me next Klopp has done badly and isn’t as good as Arteta Oh if we could win the Champions League and PL title. I bet you think Tuchel is hopeless as well, how many finals is he in? I know, let’s stay as we are and carry on challenging for London’s 4th best team, now that’s success isn’t it?

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    muffler_1
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    Remind me again Pep is northern European?

    It does not matter where the coach is from its about his competence.

    As for Arteta he is clearly feeling the pressure just look at his last presser he basiclly said he cant move any further with some players. Now he did not say who but Im sure its not Willian. But I think that tonight he might have to watch a game of downing tools.

    I honestly think that we can skip having a coach and save some cash. I dont think it will be worse its not like they care anyway.

    As for throwing money at new players what money? Arteta will this summer for sure only invest what he can generate from sales.

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    AndyC
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    Oracle I completely agree about Klopp, but lets get this straight, he had to sell and get rid of players and bring in his own players to suit his system.
    Every week we have fans saying our players can’t pass out from the back etc etc, thats right they can’t but did Klopp change his tactics to suit his players or did he get investment and his own players to come in a suit his style.
    When pep first came to England he was slagged off left right and centre by armchair fans saying ah he can’t cut in the league its not Spain or Germany blah blah blah. What did he Aldo have to do? well he bombed out long serving players, he ruthlessly got rid of players and then guess what he got investment to sign the players that suited his way.
    Both managers first seasons were bad against expectation, they also didn’t have a broken season, no fans in stadiums, a stop start league and global pandemic to deal with. This unfortunately cannot be ignored as they do impact everything.

    these are the 2 best managers in world football. they both looked out of their depth at first they both got support, investment and time. they have both won the league and look great for it. Well Klopp this season hasn’t but the amount of injuries to key players is always going to effect you. also as well neither manager changed their style when it hasn’t or wasn’t going well. they stuck to their guns.

    Non the these managers will fair better without investment. Tuchel, pep, Klopp Ancelotti, Zidane, none of them would succeed with us. Tuchel hasn’t walked into Chelsea languishing mid table with a plethora of average players in the side. He’s walked into his last 2 jobs with world class elite level players throughout. even at Dortmund he had the second best team by a country mile and finished….. thats right 2nd!

    Dumping Arteta (you could insert any managers name right now) doesn’t solve the problem. constantly changing managers with no investment only puts you further behind the rest of the pack. UTD are prime example of this. kept twisting, then realised they need to stick, they sit second. they also invest in the team.

    I know top 4 is miles off, im not sure a lot of our fans do though. you will find many fans saying in one sentence ‘ we should be doing better, our players are so shit’ that makes absolutely no sense. many fans hounded a manager out who ignored the defensive aspect of the game but we had exciting games, we also got spanked a lot. We are now back to hounding a manager out for the opposite reason, worse still its the same fans beating both drums.

    Nanglesman was never available – he was always going to Bayern. Tuchel probably wasn’t either PSG or Arsenal, Chelsea or Arsenal im sorry but in both scenarios you aint choosing us.

    Stev – that model is the model that got Wenger hounded out. We all as fans have our own opinions on what we think would be the best path. Some want a big manager to come in and start over again. some want us to get behind the current manager. In both instances there has to be huge investment. in both instance there is absolutely no guarantee of success. Spurs and Jose springs to mind on this. serial winner, club on the cusp of breaking the ceiling, club in all honesty has gone backwards with a very good tactical mastermind at the helm whilst they sacked a younger fresher manager who took them forward.

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    steveosnakeeye
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    Just to clarify my position
    I’m saying frank had better results than Arteta but was not good enough so they upgraded and without spending on the team have improved

    A better manager could get. Ore out if this team snd certainly to be top 4 contenders with current players over a season

    If this is good enough for the board and fans so be it but it’s a small club mentality

    #1952561

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    Shifty you argued Northern Europeans are more suitable to the PL, yet all you back that up with is Klopp being a good manager. Having a change in system has nothing to do with someone’s nationality.

    I agree speaking English is a basic need, though Pochettino a South American with no English didn’t exactly do too bad.

    Arteta is fluent in English, French, Spanish and Italian and knows the premier league inside out by playing in it for 10 years.

    By all means argue for a change in manager if you want but not because you where they originate from, that’s my point.

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    the specialone
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    This ideology that We should get rid of Arteta and citing Chelsea and Frank Lampard for that is quite honestly one of the stupidest analogies out there.How can you even compare the two?

    Frank Lampard had a squad at his disposal capable of seriously challenging on all possible fronts.He was underachieving and roman as we all know is as impatient an owner you could get.They signed Tuchel and what he has done is maximised the potential of their squad.What’s impressive is he’s done it instantly and in the process gotten some exceptional results beating the best teams in the world and hardly conceding against them.

    Arteta arguably dosen’t even have a Europa League squad at his place.It’s upto the interpretations of different people regarding that.For example some people might think we have a better squad than Everton but I certainly don’t.Either ways Arteta could’ve easily finished in the Europa League places even after considering the fact he’s been dealt the worst hand of the lot.Truth is we were outdone by blatant VAR decisions, any genuine arsenal fan would acknowledge this.

    Long story short, if we signed Klopp or guardiola tomorrow.At best we’d get a Europa League place.Unless you can delude yourself into believing they would achieve more with this squad..

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    steveosnakeeye
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    A better manager would get better then 9 th
    We have a europa winning level squad if managed properly
    After that we would need sensible investment to go further
    To not have either shows how far away we are and how badly run we are and how little ambition we have

    Also shows how little some fans are willing to settle for in this once great club

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    The Oracle
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    Well Moppy you’re still not getting this are you. Who is fighting for the top4 behind Oil City?

    Man Utd; Manager > Norwegian
    Leicester; Manager > Northern Irish
    Chelsea; Manager > German
    West Ham; Manager > Scottish
    Liverpool; Manager > German

    Ole, ex-player turned it around and made a success of what looked like an impossible task.

    Brendon Rodgers, laughed when some people mentioned him for Arsenal. Spent hardly anything, transformed Leicester with a clear strategy and way of playing. The players know what’s expected and react accordingly. Shirkers not tolerated, no one on huge wages.

    Thomas Tuchel; When I and others suggested him for Arsenal the usual suspects claimed he was useless, never done anything. Great success at Dortmund, successful at PSG. Transformed Chelsea in a matter of weeks without spending a single penny.

    David Moyes, Another manager some suggested for Arsenal by some but rubbished by the usual suspects. Turned West Ham from a relegation threatened side into top4 challengers. Because of him they have played some much better than Arsenal this season

    Who is 6th in the table? Oh yes Liverpool, manager Juergen Klopp, won the PL last season after transforming the club, won the Champions League the season before. Arsenal haven’t won the PL for 17 years, have never won the CL.

    All of these sides are streets ahead of Arsenal, each manager is streets ahead of Arteta, each club is run far better than Arsenal.

    Arsenal who have relied on a Brazilian (technical director) and a Spaniard (manager) to transform the playing staff, failed abysmally. Sanilehi Spanish, in charge of transfers, bought appalling, wasted money, took bungs, only deals with crooked agents. Both Sanilehi when he was at the club and Arteta in the pocket of Kia Joorabchian.

    So what do you draw from this Mop, well you probably don’t draw anything from it but I see clubs who have appointed the right managers who all have something in common as I’ve highlighted whilst we have made appalling appointments who also have something in common.

    But let’s watch these clubs disappear over the horizon as they win trophies whilst we fight Brentford next season for the prize of London’s 4th best team. Great hey, and you never know, Arteta might get us up into the top half of the table if Saka, Smith-Rowe and Tierney carry us again. Now where do they all come from?

    #1952599

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    So you’re including British as Northern European too now are you? And what nationality is the manager above all of those?…

    West Ham are having a good season but would you seriously want David Moyes as manager? …Solskjaer?

    A managers nationality has nothing to do with success in the PL. Why don’t you list the nationality of all the managers that have won the premier league? How many of them are Northern European- even including British most aren’t! Or don’t you care about winning now – is top four enough? ….Are you counting Wenger as Northern European??

    If you think we are in a mess because our manager is Spanish you have a problem.

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