Norwich v Arsenal

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    The Oracle
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    Interesting to see the side Freddie picks and the tactics employed. How different from Dick will his approach be? Also the result is vitally important. Lose this game and fail to beat Brighton and West Ham and we are in big big trouble.

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    I predict an entertaining match with plenty of goals. Freddie’s role is to try to get a bit of belief back in the players, let’s hope he can.

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    I like Ljungberg but he should have known that there is a reason Why you should not play Mustafi.

    I know that the rest aint much better but wow how poor he is.

    #1803839
    cavey
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    Freddie isn’t the problem. Half of the team is worst arsenal team ever. Mustafi,Luiz,xhaka,özil and lazyzette. 35+8+35+42+49 m £ wasted. Both Norwich goals could had been blocked by a decent defender, but mustafi. I’m actually tired of repeating about useless mustafi and xhaka. Ok hope second half would be better. And Freddie slap hard the useless players

    #1803871

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    Gwendozi too light weight, can’t tackle, can’t head. Ship him out on loan.
    Mustafi just ship him out, useless.
    Chambers Carthorse, my apologies to the Horse.
    Willock…..should change his name to charity, he gives the ball away so much
    Saka no positional play idea, also easy to put off with a bump. Also ship out to learn big boys playground rules.
    This league is Professional. You can’t use these kids, they are getting eaten alive.
    I know the answer, we ain’t got any better.

    Mr new manager, whoever, hope you get lots of money for Christmas and a defender, or two in your stocking. Very poor performance.
    GFL.

    #1803877
    The Oracle
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    Gooner54, the issue in this game was bringing back Xhaka and Mustafi playing. Pairing Luiz with Mustafi was a recipe for disaster, that was always going to cost us. As I’ve been saying for a long time we just aren’t good enough, far too many very poor players and until the dross has been dumped nothing will change. We are a poor side and people need to accept that. We are in a very barren period and will finish bottom half this season.

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    Willock was poor. Thought Mustafi was ok not sure what else he could have done for the goal. Tried the block and the ball hits his hand he is not reason we drew. Thought willock was poor why Saka instead of Pepe ? Thought Gwen was ok first half and we looked like the old arsenal controlled the ball but still lack of clear cut chances. Though Laca was poor, chambers was just exposed as had no protection. No real great new manager bang still feel numb !

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    the specialone
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    That was an Even worse performance possibly than we had when Emery was in charge.
    We played like a team that were fighting in the relegation zone.No authority,played on the backfoot towards the end of the game.Never really looked like scoring.Auba looks lost,laca was poor.Guendozi needs to be dropped but ozil yet again.The guy is so so frustrating.Everytime there was pressure on him he lost the ball.He can’t even take on players.Dosen’t mean he’s a bad player,but it just isn’t enough.But more than anything,it’s just the defense.I not only think they’re just poor defenders,but I think they’re too afraid.

    Unpopular opinion – I think the fans have gotten into their head.They’re too scared to tackle,they stand their ground,but at what point do they put a challenge in.they’re too scared to tackle because they’ll get lambasted should they make a mistake.It’s happened far too many times this season.In the first 75 minutes we didn’t give norwich too many chances but the ones they had they scored form.Every time we were exposed in midfield.

    #1803935
    The Oracle
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    Steve2bath1, not sure what game you were watching if you think Mustafi was OK, he was awful. Falling over trying to rugby tackle Norwich players, standing off players in the area, on one occasion he stood still in the area and let forwards run past him, he was turned inside out by a nobody Norwich player. He really was awful. Yes Willock didn’t play well but why play him in that role, strange decision, Xhaka did nothing and neither did Ozil. Interesting that Freddie sent on Saka as opposed to Pepe. Like the rest of us he obviously doesn’t rate the flop. We are crying out for defenders and the powers that be waste £72m on Gervinho MkII

    #1803941
    AndyC
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    I don’t actually thinks it’s as bad as most of you are making out. The starting line up didn’t fill me with confidence at all but I understood why mustafi and luiz started. Freddie can’t change too much too quick. that would have been suicide and for anyone that knows anything at all luiz and mustafi whilst not the best defenders are the only 2 footballing defenders who can play out from the back. Notice we didn’t actually get caught playing out from back today like with sok.
    Who ever he starts at the back it won’t please anyone as we are strapped with bang average defenders.
    Willock in midfield was actually playing well until around 60th minute he tired and should have come off earlier. Lacazette had a quiet one and cavey you talk utter nonsense if you think he isn’t any good.
    Ozil, I was surprised to see but Freddie went for experience in his first game, personally I believe it was the right decision. Not what I’d have done but he needs to get belief back, that doesn’t happen over night and he will need those more senior players on side to make anything work for him and the team. Like that or not it’s how it is.
    I was surprised to see Pepe not playing or even come on, I was surprise ozil got as much time as he did as like willock he tired at 60 and should have come off then.
    Give Freddie a couple weeks to get his own message across to players.
    Freddie our was already trending – Some of our ‘fans’ are quite frankly a joke I’m talking about here, Twitter all the social media bs, absolute keyboard jockeys.
    Time to start supporting and stop being spoilt brats.

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    Same old same old just because he is playing and we conceded let’s blame him. He was not awful he was bang average and nearly scored twice. The first half we were fine had all the ball but the few chances they had they scored. 2nd half we were poor especially after we tired and lost midfield. I thought Gwen was good first half. Even though we were losing thought we played well.

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    Andy – We’ve been supporting only,but it was the same old nonsense.I think it’s important to take into consideration that Freddie has been a part of the coaching staff for quite some time,so he knows exactly who is good and who is not.Hence,the guy should not get away with excuses.He kept pepe on the bench,when asked he said he picks players based on how they perform in training.Anyone who’s watched Arsenal this season will know pepe is our biggest threat bar the finishing.he can strike fear into opponents.The guy dosen’t even hold a full liscense to coach as I understand,which only would keep him manager till february unless he applies for the UEFA pro liscense.

    Anyways,this is what annoyed me.If we were going to get rid of emery,I thought we’d have a ready replacement.We just have someone who has zero expereince as a manager,and evidently we really didn’t improve.

    This was Norwich we were playing against.They’re in the relegation zone,and yet it looked like if it’s any team that were going to win it’s them.TBH I don’t even care about the results that much,but there was no improvement in the performance.
    New manager needed asap.

    #1804042
    steveosnakeeye
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    we should have beaten Norwish yes but in the current season, all teams are lsosing to teams they wouldnt/shouldnt (except liverpool who are being very lucky) Norwich also beat City at home, these results happen, they happen to often to us of course but with a caretaker and whats going on no real surprise, this season is now gone for me, no hopes and no expectations for matches or results, ALL i want now is the RIGHT manager in and SIGNS of a real change in ethos, tactics, mentality and players over January and the summer and then start again (again) next year…..but it all depends on the board making the right decisons and that im worried about…

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    Its quite obvious that our defensive problems lies with the midfield and the defence.

    There were several mistakes for both their goals so blaming some players and not others is maybe not what you should do.

    Mustafi was passive the whole game so no he was not average he was poor. Luiz dropped too far for their first and his positioning was all over and he was also just as poor. In midfield Guen and Xhaka had huge problems as well.

    As for Ljungberg to solve it in 2 days nah and he has also been involved the whole season so its not really a change as i see it.

    Its more likely we will be a mid to bottom table team this season

    #1804115
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    The reason why we changed the manager was to start improving our results.Just imagine,this is our worst start to a PL season ever,and yet we are only 7 points behind 4th place.That is a very much acquirable target.But it’s unlikely,because this team messed up against mid table/bottom placed teams for which emery got deservedly sacked,and now his successor is doing the same.Someone who was part of the same coaching staff.Our fixutres are getting tougher now,I agree with muffler this might be our lowest finish in a PL season ever.

    Unless we appoint a reputed manager in the next week or so,I can see no improvement.I mean promoting Mertesacker to his coaching staff,this defense looks even worse now!

    #1804124
    The Oracle
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    I simply cannot believe that there are people on here who think that the Norwich performance was not that bad and that Mustafi had an OK game. How can anybody with any knowledge think that. We owe a debt of gratitude to Leno who saved us from a heavy defeat, we were clinging on desperately for the last 20mins. Mustafi backed off, backed off and then turned his back for the first goal, gutless, Chambers isn’t a full back and Luiz is everywhere except where he should be. The ease with which opposing midfield players waltz past the tortoise Xhaka is laughable, he has the turning circle of an aircraft carrier, unbelievably 2nd rate. Take Leno and Abameyang out of that side and we are a relegation team. If we fail to beat Brighton with the games we have coming up we will be in bottom 6 by mid January. Let that sink in.

    #1804125
    steveosnakeeye
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    i listened to in game commentary on the bbc and this article from Keown syays it all….

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50624919

    all through the game all they kept saying was we backed off and backed off, ALL of them, Luis, Mustafi and the MF….Leno made some outstanding saves once again…the players are crap yes but i still say a decent coach who knows how to defend can get more out of the players we have ..

    #1804127
    The Oracle
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    Steve0snake0il, not when those players are woefully inadequate and as Gary Neville rightly states ‘uncoachable’ you need new players. Wenger had 10-15 years to sort our defence out and couldn’t do it, or didn’t want to as he thought defending wasn’t important enough for him to bother with, Dick couldn’t do it and I doubt Freddie will. Carragher, Neville, Keown and others have all stated our defenders just aren’t good enough for a top PL team. Luiz has always been a loose cannon, Mustafi is just awful, Chambers isn’t a right back, Kolasinac isn’t a left back. Why buy Pepe if both Dick and Freddie prefer Willock, Nelson or Saka, those 3 cost nothing, Pepe cost £72m. Why did we buy him if he can’t get in the side. We are a complete mess and the next 10 games could be painful watching.

    #1804153

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    If Emery had picked that team and made those substitutions we would be all over him. Having said that the team first half performance was very good with the exception of not dealing with the Norwich counterattacks that led to goals. Our inability to provide an effective screen for the back four and their insistence on backing off and allowing unopposed shots continues to be our Achilles heel. The second half was more like a typical Emery performance, hesitant and devoid of confidence. Thank goodness for Leno’s man of the match performance.

    #1804173
    the specialone
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    Since when has Leno become some sort of saviour at the club?Let’s not get carried away.The Guy has conceded more goals than any other keeper we’ve had in recent times.No,that dosen’t mean he is to blame,he certainly has a crap defense in front of him but that should not exempt him from responsibility.

    For starters,the guy has zero communicative and leadership skills.I’ve never seen him direct his defenders what to do.You’d have thought after facing a ridiculous amount of shots on goal,he’d have the courage to organise and tell his defenders where they’ve going wrong.But I literally have never seen that.Yes,pure goalkeeping wise he’s a decent keeper but I’ll leave it at that.As for the saves he’s made.True some are good ones but some of the goals he’s left in are also laughable.Either ways,he’s not the answer.He has no leadership skills,he has no communcation with the defense.And that’s not good enough.

    There’s only one player who’s worthy enough to get into any other PL team and that’s Aubameyang.

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