Nuclear War possible

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    notnice
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    I have a relative that works in British Intelligence and his personal opinion though I believe he is not allowed to express it and hopefully his wrong is that some kind of nuclear proliferation will take part soon between you all know who, will have very grave and sadly a devastating effect on the whole world and even Britain is not out of harms way. Really pray that a solution can be found but with that madman in North Korea I am not so sure. His willing to destroy his whole nation just to cause as much massive damage and casualties that he possibly can to other nations.

    #1528286
    MacGuffin
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    My intelligence tells me “that madman in North Korea” is in fact a velly smart cookie.

    IF he didn’t have nukes your “relative that works in British Intelligence” would come up with a dodgy dossier claiming he’s working on getting them and say we should invade his country.

    By having nukes and letting the world know he has them he stops the British and Americans from invading and thereby prevents war and destruction like we saw in Iraq.

    #1528291
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    thats your view everyone has a different point of view thankfully not like yours, what other country tests nuclear missiles by flying them over another nation who have done no harm to them and why would any other country want to invade N Korea, they have nothing to gain but endless problems.

    #1528295
    D1rtyH4rry
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    The USA also uses war games to replicate the carpet bombing of North Korea in the 1950s, where there wasn’t a single building over 1 floor left standing. In fact North Korea have told the USA they will stop nuclear testing if they cease the insensitive war games. The USA refused, so they continue to test.

    #1528320
    notnice
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    nonsense

    #1528324
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    tell that to Japan, South Korea and Guam

    #1528328
    knotter
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    In a world where an elite group of nations holds the keys to nuclear destruction, (making them virtually unassailable), it is no surprise that other nations would seek to have them, to join this club and make themselves safe from ‘regime change’.
    It was always just a matter of time before the inevitable happened and when we thought the Chinese government shared our fear of nuclear ‘creep’ we were wrong.
    Now the horrendous regime in North Korea is cemented in place and we will have to get used to it, but what the hell? We have become used to an horrendous regime in close neighbour China for many years and even found it in our hearts to trade with them, so what’s the real difference?
    I think anyone who thinks all this happened in North Korea without the assistance and connivance of the Chinese authorities is being very naïve. This is just the next phase in the eventual plan for the insect nations of the world to spread their domination.
    All hail the power of the hive.

    #1528330
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    What’s nonsense? Tell what to Japan, Guam and South Korea? that the usa is refusing to stop antagonising North Korea and therefore they will continue to test their weapons?

    #1528342

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    You would think that there is far too much for every country to lose although I wouldn’t want to play a game of Poker with Kim.

    Russia and China who both border NK have a big part to play in settling all this down.

    The idea of Switzerland mediating seems sensible to me. The US and SK have to agree to stop all their military exercises and in return Kim needs to agree to rachet back on the threats.

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    I hope so, hope he wipes the whole world away.

    #1528373
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    The missile that flew over Japan was not nuclear ie did not carry a warhead. And as for flying over Japan I’m not sure of the technicalies. My understanding is missiles go up high like a space rocket then come down on the target in a elipse. How many miles above a nation is considered their airspace?

    As for why US would invade NK, the US makes no secret of the fact it supports the concept of re-unification. And it has never signed a peace treaty with NK after the Korean war. Why not???

    #1528385
    Jay belfast
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    lol macguffin you would have no issue with countries flying missiles over your country then? Especially countries have a record of having failed attempts?

    The US may indeed throw their weight around but this guy is reckless

    #1528452
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    @jay belfast – I was talking about the technicalties. At what altitude does airspace end? What is the trajectory of these missiles? Do satellites and space programs infringe airspace?

    As for having a problem, I don’t think making major issues out things is constructive. It fans the flames at a time some are calling for temperatures to come down. It causes needless fear and stress to the population.

    And it’s a valid argument, does a nuclear NK make the region unsafer or not given American fondness for invasion and regime change.

    In my view the world must reconcile itself to the fact sooner or later NK will be nuclear. The period of highest risk is when they are developing programs, not once they’ve achieved it. I’d almost be inclined to give them technology to ensure the systems are safe and stable.

    I think its all a big hallabaloo. If a country has the know-how to make a nuke (almost all have) it can assemble them in the basement of houses in US cities ie dirty bombs. And it can biological/chemical weapons. The poison used on the relative in Malaysia was state of the art stuff.

    Americans argue that citizens should bear arms to defend themselves from the bad guys. From NK perspective the Americans are the bad guys, and looking at US track record there is substance to that point of view.

    The US should sign a peace treaty, recognise NK and its regime. Then work towards bringing NK into the family of nations, developing their economy, modernising the country and having close relations with the south.

    #1528470
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    Is it safer if north korea has nukes, are you serious lol?

    You think it’s safer if one erradicate dictator has the soul control of the option of being able to wipe out whole regions? What happens if there’s ever a coup after the country become modernised lol would you be confident this guy wouldnt fancy a bit destruction on his way out? What happens if he starts committing some mass genocide or other major civil rights violations? What happens if this guy, who already seems “ambitious” decides he wants to go down the invasion route and attacks one of their neighbours? Doesnt seem like a great idea to me.

    #1528509
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    @jay belfast – YES from JKU perspective his regime and country IS safer with nukes. Had Saddam had nukes he would still be alive and in power today.

    From other perspectives of course its less safe. It’s less safe when any country has nukes. But the argument can be make that nukes and total war makes war less likely. America has shown time and time again it’s eager to go to war against smaller weaker nations. They are even rattling the sabre against Venezuela.

    Modernising and developing a nation raises awareness and stability. People are not so eager to go to war when they have something to lose. Even dictators need the cooperation of the generals & technicians in the chain to launch missiles. Its not a simple press n fire button. A developed NK is more likely to overthrow KJU than an underdeveloped one.

    Fact is, they are going to get nukes just like those nutters in India and Pakistan did. The question is not how to stop them, it’s how to ensure they never use them. I cannot see how US sabre rattling is helpful. Russia, China, UK and EU do not seem unduly worried.

    #1528630
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    So the region is not safe just North Korea itself then, that my point. You say a “developed NK is more likely to overthrow KJU than an underdeveloped one”, my point is a KJU that faces the prospect of being overthrown is also more likely to start playing with his new toys.

    Russia don’t seem overly worried?! Putin is on record recently saying the situation could lead to a “global catastrophe” if North Korea continue their provocation. The EU and UK are all calling for tougher sanctions against them and even China leader Xi Jinping has spoke of how the situation is a danger to world peace (depsite being their only ally)…..don’t know how much more worried they could be than being worried about a world war?!

    #1528689
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    these people that are siding with a rogue state that virtually the whole world is condemning for their reckless acts which is on par to hitlers nazi acts of genocide and even worse should a nuke war materialize which is very possible, would not be surprised if they support acts of terror as well.

    #1528712

    nine nine nine
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    “Russia, China, UK and EU don’t seem unduly worried”???

    The above does not reflect what they are all saying.

    #1528733
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    @jay Belfast – I don’t think that’s how a regime change would pan out. It’s not a case of a Hitler in his bunker with a launch button. Generals would secure the launch sites, communications etc. and it would be a knife in the back removal from one of his inner circle.

    Russia’s concern is prompted by USA sabre rattling eg naval manoevers in the region, THAD defence systems etc. Putin (China) never raised concerns all the time NK has been developing their nuclear program. The missiles were launched from Chinese made mobile missile launchers !

    #1528742
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    would not be surprised if they support acts of terror as well.
    @notnice – I’m not siding with NK or terrorists, I’m saying I can see it from their perspective.

    The American (western) standard response is to paint the adversary as madmen. And how far as that approached worked. It hasn’t.

    I’m saying if we understand their concerns and address their fears (as far as possible) it may be a better strategy.

    Us (western) strategy is all over the place when it comes to rogue states and dictators. The US supports S.American dictators for years. It called Saddam a friend. Trump praises the strongmen like Putin. Phillipines President. even KJU. And dances with the absolute monarch of a nation that denies womens rights.

    Other than bleating about the situation what suggestions do you have. You want US to launch a pre-emptive strike or do you think sanctions will work.

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