Offside – is there a better way?

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    AshCFC
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    Our last two games have seen both Giroud and Morata denied perfectly good goals by overzealous linesmen. Morata’s goal particularly cost us two points.

    It seems to me that many linesmen, knowing their decisions will be slow-mo’d, freeze-framed, and generally micro-analysed on TV, tend to er on the side of flagging offside even if the perceived infringement is so marginal that they’re not really sure if they’ve got it right.

    Is there a better way?

    Is it as simple as instructing linesmen to only flag if there’s a particular margin of offside (ie more than the length of Olivier’s eyelashes), or does anyone here have a more fundamental improvement suggestion?

    I waa of course very disappointed to see us drop two points last night, and we certainly didn’t play well in the final third (again). However, on reflection it is the fact that I invested time to watch a game of football where the outcome was decided, ultimately, by a blundering official that pisses me off the most.

    Theres literally no point in watching if the two teams battling it out for the win are circumvented by a tw@t with a flag.

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    Seems to me that while you have human involvement in the decision making, especially when the rule is open to interpretation, then you will always get mistakes and lack of consistency from game to game

    This is something that I have grown up with and to a degree it is exactly what makes games so interesting and controversial, however, with the stakes now so high the introduction of technology seems mandatory. How well VAR will work is open to interpretation, as does when it is actually called upon, but for me it has to be a step in the right direction even if changes will be required over the years to improve its use in games without slowing them down…? KTBFFH

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    AshCFC
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    I think that linesmen should be directed to look for a minimum length of offside, 30cm or so. At least then it would reduce the hairline decisions.

    To me there’s nothing interesting or entertaining about an official who is not there to influence the outcome of a game making a game changing error.

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    aindro
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    VAR. Otherwise no

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    bort
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    Dunno why we should feel hard done by we have had plenty of decisions go for us down the seasons and even this season.

    Both offsides were so tight you can understand the margin of error.

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    Wise-fan
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    The only solution is that our players to stay onside. As long as they are going in to the offise territories. The lines man will do his job and raise the flag. Besides that Morata was offside full stop. Offside rules work as per the rules of the game. And in the future our players need to study the rules of the game and not how people want them to be. Besides that, we should be kicking oursleves for not creating enough chances to win that game.

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    AshCFC
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    Morata was NOT offside.

    ‘Both offsides were so tight you can understand the margin of error.’

    Thats my point. Linesmen are being asked to judge millimeters. Its ridiculous. They need tocbe directed toclook for a clearer margin.

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    Wise-fan
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    An offside is an offside whether margin or small.

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    AshCFC
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    I can see I’m wasting my time here. Jeez.

    The point is that when linesmen are looking for millimetres during live action they are regularly calling offside for positions that are ONSIDE due to the accuracy they are trying and failing to attain.

    If the margin they are directed to look for was a little greater then their margin of error would be reduced accordingly.

    Its not that hard of a theory to understand, surely.

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    I agree with Ash -in fact wasnt there a time that in the PL in order to be offside there had to be clear daylight between attacker and defender? That would help everyone wouldnt it?

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    AshCFC
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    Thank you Gib.

    You are absolutely correct that there was such a time. Also, more recently, linesmen were instructed to give the benefit of the doubt to the attacking player, although such direction is perhaps a little unclear for officials to comprehend it would seem.

    My theory as to why Linesmen are currently attempting such fractional decisions is a simple one – TV. They are attempting to be as accurate as slow mo and freeze frame, which of course they just can’t be.

    If they were given a simple direction to allow for a small distance in the attackers favour then I feel they’d be upholding the spirit of offside far better, if not the game itself.

    Btw Gib, I’m glad you posted on this thread. I wanted to apologise to you for my part in our recent disagreement. It was/is an emotive subject for sure. Anyway, I will be honoured if you accept my apology as a fellow Blue. I wish you a very happy 2019 and hope it’s a year that brings you (and hopefully Chelsea) happiness.

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    chelsea1967
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    Simple, play it out and if a goal is scored then review it. Let video review judge in need and leave the touchie out of it.

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    AshCFC
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    VAR won’t help for offside decisions where a goal isn’t scored immediately.

    The English FA’s ‘clear and obvious error’ VAR rule will preclude such mistakes from being reviewed I think.

    I am very much of the mind that new direction is needed to linesmen. Many of the offsides called in modern English football are debatable or just plain wrong, which to my mind alters the dynamic (for the worse) of the game.

    Defenders don’t necessarily have to be brilliant tacklers as long as they can keep a straight line and step up at the right time. Sometimes it’s more like watching line dancing than football.

    Re VAR, I loved it at the WC, but have not been a fan on the rare outings it’s had in England. For me it’s how it’s applied, and with this ‘clear and obvious’ thing our idiotic ruling body have made the system unnecessarily complicated.

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    Still think that while it is left to humans and the rule is not crystal clear then mistakes will made. Really cannot see any human at the pace of todays football being able to make a clearer decision based on cm’s – those margins are to fine for me

    I also thought that if in doubt then the benefit should be given to the attacking player. As many have said, these recent decisions have been so close and yet in not one instance has the attacker got the benefit of the doubt (unless of course you are Lukaku playing Bournemouth when there was clear daylight to show he was offside…!!)

    I still that technology is the only real way forward but like many others I am not totally sure that the current version of VAR will resolve all these problems…? KTBFFH

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    VAR for now is the answer until they come up with something better, only the official watching from the TV should be making the decision when VAR is called in not the officials on the field.

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    Blueowner
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    Does anyone know how VAR is managed. Cause in some games I see the ref waiting for the decision from the official upstairs in front of the TV and in other cases I see the on field ref going to the sideline to watch a replay and then deciding for himself which takes much longer.

    #1713465

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    My understanding is as follows:
    There are 4 types of calls that can be reviewed
    1. Goals and whether there was a violation during the attacking phase of play, such as an offside or a foul
    2. Penalty decisions (other fouls are not reviewable, except below)
    3. Direct red card decisions (second yellow cards are not reviewable)
    4. Mistaken identity in awarding a red or yellow card

    The standard for overturning the referee’s original decision is that there has been a “clear error,” sometimes expanded to “clear and obvious error”

    So basically still relies a lot on human interpretation which is why we saw so many teething problems and I feel it is not yet the finished article….!! KTBFFH

    #1713711

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    Ash – thank you sir for your kind words and i too apologise for anything said in the heat of the debate. As fellow Blues all of us have the best interests of the club at heart and sometimes we fall out over differences of opinion as to what those bests interests are. However Ash you have shown all on this forum what it takes to be a true Chelsea fan. Cheers mate and happy new year to you.

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